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Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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That's a good point. There are times when I watch Danny (who I desperately want to succeed) when he reminds me of Forlan - as if there's something that just gets in his way when he's in sight of goal, even when you think all the hard work has been done.
Forlan's best scoring tally with us was 9 goals, it was like watching the unluckiest striker in the world. He was 25 when he moved to Spain and suddenly became a 20+ a season striker - and, no, that's not just down to the defences. Even Ronaldo had played more first team football than Danny has had, before he worked out how to score.
There's time.
Just putting it out there, but when Henry was 22 he only got 3 goals in 16 league appearances for Juve.
Watching that gif, you can actually see that even the defender drops his arms to his sides and walks away like he's disappointed too.
It's like he knew as soon as he was dragging his footback that his trick was fecked.
You can just imagine what he was saying to himself: "ah feck it anyway...brutal that was... just keep the head down man & limit the 'making-a-bollox-of-one's-self' for feck sake.."
Jesus man, lets not compare Danny to Terry Henry for God sake - Henry's a cheating cnut & Danny aint...
Jesus man, lets not compare Danny to Terry Henry for God sake - Henry's a cheating cnut & Danny aint...
Not comparing, just putting it out there
Not relevant whatsoever.
Not comparing, just putting it out there
Had to find a way of sneaking in my daily "Henry's a cheating cnut" line. Mercy buckets
It's not relevant to point out that some of the greatest strikers to exist took a few years to get going.
Only on redcafe.net!
Only on redcafe.net!
Not comparing, just putting it out there
That's what he said.
Tell me why mr boy.
I buy into that, I do. Lets give Welbeck another 2-3 season to proof himself here. We dont have to start him if he didnt play well and keep squandering chances after chances, just play him off the bench. At least when he didn't score he still could contribute something with his all round play.
How is it relevant? You have randomly chose to compare Henry to Welbeck. Do you know much about Henry? If so you would know that he started out as a winger and was instrumental in a successful Monaco side. He moved to Juventus for biggish money and was again used as a winger. It was at Arsenal that Wenger turned him into a prolific centre forward.
So Genius, you tell me why you chose to compare Henry to one of our academy graduates? They clearly haven't followed a similar career pattern and I don't get your comparison at all.
Wrong. I've watched him since he broke into athelti's first team and I'm one of the top posters in his thread.
Why is this line always trotted out. You could use it to defend Macheda as well. Doesn't mean anything, neither of them are in his class.
You're incredible, I didn't compare them at all, I just said I'm throwing it out there. So yeah, you wouldn't get my comparison as I didn't make a comparison at Robbie.
Also you're forgetting that Welbeck played a lot on the wings last season as well. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's going to become a finisher like Henry so don't get your bee in a bonnet.
You're not getting it. Firstly I didn't say Welbeck would go on to be in Henry's class, secondly it's just an example that not all great strikers are polished finishers in their early twenties so it's completely possible that Welbeck can develop his scoring boots.
Then why even mention Henry if not for a comparison?
Why did you mention him then? Do you even know what a comparison is?
Exactly.
fecking hell, you guys are so precious. Simply referencing a player who wasn't a prolific goal scorer at his age, didn't compare their respective talents at all.
I do know what it is, clearly you don't if you think I compared them, it was a throwaway comment that had to be dissected by the caf police.
the loss of his scoring touch is really worrying
Would this be the reason why SAF constantly put him outwide last season? To give him game time, but at the same time, don't want to have him lead the line because he didn't show nowhere as much on the training ground as RVP, Hernandez or Rooney, who are all brilliant finishers?
I second that.
I think we can all agree that scoring wise Danny isn't ready to lead the Manchester United line, especially when you have Rooney and RVP on board.
Or Hernandez who is the club's best finisher.
Your ability to spot a joke is as keen as your ability to spot potential.
I doubt you're a top poster in any thread to be honest but if we're strictly talking numbers, you're head and shoulders above everyone else in this thread too.
Well, he scored 13 in his breakthrough season leading the line, a season in which he was still wasteful in front of goal. I think it's safe to say that a 22 year old can improve this tally by another three goals as he develops into the player he will become?
Also what keeps me hopeful are his finishes for England. Only scored 5 I know, but some good finishes in there
To give him minutes, yes - which is important for a young player's development. SAF also believed in playing youngsters out of position (or at least not in their presumed best position) to make them more rounded and experienced. This doesn't say anything about how highly he rated Welbeck as a striker. His rivals for that position is sufficient explanation. Unless you're a talent of historic proportions you aren't going to push RVP out of the starting lineup.
That's the problem with gifs though, that defender's hamstring twanged seconds before the gif began, and he was carted off the pitch seconds after it finished.
Of course he can kick on from here. His finishing is poor at the moment but equally as poor is his 'penalty box instinct' in getting into goal scoring positions. Doing a Drogba or a Lampard is rare but Welbeck certainly has everything else in his locker if the penny does drop.
You're not that bright, are you?
Don't worry Elliot, I understood you.
I guess you've learned your lesson. No comparisons allowed in any form, unless the two players are of the exact same age, in the exact same team playing in the exact same position, and preferably came from the same mother, otherwise it's irrelevant and MENTAL.
I mean, what were you thinking? Two young, lanky forwards, who often play from the left, cutting inside? Bonkers, man.
Be careful, you've actually gone one step further and made an actual comparison.
I'm starting to wonder what his best position could be. I watched a Youtube compilation from a match against Tottenham. His tecnhique can be sublime at times. He can dribble past literally anyone, then out of the blue he also outpaces Kyle Walker and and Sturridge, both of whom I thought was faster. He can score a screamer of a goal and we all think he might make it as a striker.
As a winger, he has the ts, but his acc and lanky first touch are a little weak to dribble past players in tight corners, nor have I seen him cross the ball with any aplomb either. More often than not, he does look a little lost the wider he drifts.
As a number 10, he has the technique, but more importantly the link-up play that is required to do well. His long shot isn't to bad and he's quite good at finding players, so vision might be above average too, as is team work (I'm sounding like I'm creating a player on fifa or something).
As a striker, he has great physical presence, but for such a big guy, his heading is woeful. How many headers has he scored with his head? His positioning seems OK, but he is anything but clinical. He may become a great finisher - I recall Rooney missing a few sitters in his early years - but I'm starting to doubt him..
As a winger, he has the ts, but his acc and lanky first touch are a little weak to dribble past players in tight corners, nor have I seen him cross the ball with any aplomb either. More often than not, he does look a little lost the wider he drifts.
As a number 10, he has the technique, but more importantly the link-up play that is required to do well. His long shot isn't to bad and he's quite good at finding players, so vision might be above average too, as is team work (I'm sounding like I'm creating a player on fifa or something).
As a striker, he has great physical presence, but for such a big guy, his heading is woeful. How many headers has he scored with his head? His positioning seems OK, but he is anything but clinical. He may become a great finisher - I recall Rooney missing a few sitters in his early years - but I'm starting to doubt him..
I think he's good as a wing forward.
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