If Welbeck is consistently playing up front and was expected to be the main source of United's goals then I would agree with that statement. Fortunately United have Van Persie, Hernandez and Rooney, who unlike Welbeck very rarely play wide , so I don't see it as being a big issue.
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If Welbeck is consistently playing up front and was expected to be the main source of United's goals then I would agree with that statement. Fortunately United have Van Persie, Hernandez and Rooney, who unlike Welbeck very rarely play wide , so I don't see it as being a big issue.
His finishing was mareish today.
He did a lot more than just press Alonso. It was a very good all-round performance against a top-side.
Rooney ends up wide a lot.
People keep referring to this match, but he played as a hard working wideman and a man marker in that tie ala Park. If that's his role then fair enough. But he cannot be relied to lead the line as at the moment he's simply not good enough.
Yeah, but from what I can recall, he'd do a brilliant flick or bit of close control on the half way line and then wilt when he came anywhere near the box.
He had a pretty shocking game, in a Mickey Mouse friendly. He'll move on.
Oh well, if people are re-writing even the Real match now then I'll just give up and move on.
He did, I thought that too. Not up to Welbeck's level yet though, who really excels at keeping possession and neat interplay with players that are close to him.
Who's rewriting? I said he did a good role in pressing Alonso. But come on, you're making it out like it was Keane in Turin for feck sake.
Indeed, was clearly the best player alongside Giggs in the second leg and after DDG in the first.
lets put it another way....if we were in need of a fourth triker to compliment Chico, Rooney and RVP...would you want united to buy Welbeck if he was available at a good price?...
He's English so he'd probably be about Thiago's price.
Yes, between the four of them they have most areas covered.
Uh...
I don't mean being argued against, but come on.
He was very good on the ball and the Real defence were not enjoying playing against him, pretty much everyone on here afterwards praised him such.
I'd say Rooney's starting position and the areas he operates in are mostly behind the main striker.
And we're using a preseason friendly in which some of our players haven't touched a ball in 2 months to discuss Welbeck's chances at United? I understand the concerns but I think some of you are being a bit premature here. If I remember correctly, Hernandez was having a torrid time scoring throughout preseason last year. It took some time but eventually he rediscovered his scoring boots. He went onto have a good third season in my opinion.
Danny needs a goal. It's just that obvious. Moyes said they will work with him to improve his goalscoring. Hope isn't over yet.
Danny needs a goal. It's just that obvious. Moyes said they will work with him to improve his goalscoring. Hope isn't over yet.
Hernandez is a proven goal scorer though, Welbeck isn't
No shit sherlock. The point is strikers go through spells where they struggle to score and it's important they find the back of the net sooner than later. Danny needs to score. I am confident he will and that our concerns will be put to rest this season. We will just have to wait and see.
Welbeck's problem is mental rather than technical. As good as Fergie was at getting players' heads straight, a change is sometimes what an individual needs more than anything. I'm hoping a slightly different approach from the new coaching staff will help him overcome his issues.
I said before that I doubt other fans think he's as good as we do. He'll make it here though, even if only because we insist he has to. But I do feel our fans overrate him slightly in light of what he has actually done.
I remember arguing on here for ages that he was not better than Balotelli!
I remember arguing on here for ages that he was not better than Balotelli!
Well then it's a fecking stupid comparison. If Van Persie or Hernandez go on a goal drought, they'll bounce back. With Welbeck you haven't a fecking clue because he doesn't score regularly
His composure is on same level with Heskey, from what I could recall.
His end product is terrible even for a winger. If he plays regularly (in a winger position) and only scores 2 goals a season, he won't have a future here (unless he makes a ridiculous amount of assists).
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You are right, in some extent, if we don't count what he did over last season. Afterall every new season is a new start.
I do think Danny should be given the chance this season to work with the new manager and coaches to see if they can improve that part of his game. But if come the end of the seaon, after being given chances in his prefered position, it's still two goals..well, I do think enough is enough...
Were van Persie or Hernandez played out of position last season?
I always thought SAF's trust and faith in Welbeck far outweighs his actual talent.
Does he score enough or create enough goals? What else does he do that make him a good striker?
For all this talk about him having superior link up play to Hernandez, he had less assists than him last year.
Again with this bollocks. He played more than half of his games up front. And he was shifted wide because he was ineffective.
What honestly makes you think he's a top striker? Lacking positional sense, composure and finishing is a big negative.
Players can go from having very good seasons to downright miserable ones (i.e. Luca Toni). My overall point is a player's development isn't always easy to predict and sometimes they prove you right in the end. Let's take Robert Lewandowski for example. He was already known to be a talented striker in Poland. When he first arrived at Dortmund, he was behind Barrios in the pecking order. He was known to be a good finisher but he did struggle with putting away easy chances and pouncing on the half-chances. Over time, he has improved his game and is becoming a lethal finisher. This past season has been his best with 36 goals.
Now, his trajectory has been much better than Welbeck. Robert is 25. Welbeck is 22. In 3 years time, it's certainly plausible that if Danny gets more games as a forward, he could drastically improve his goalscoring record. In Lewandowski's second season with Dortmund, most if not all of his appearances were as a forward. It can only help you when your chances in the team are in your main position. Danny has only been afforded such a luxury for one season and he didn't do half bad. Some were even saying he displaced Berbatov and Hernandez. I used Lewandowski as an example of what can happen when you are allowed to develop in your favored role. Does that mean we have ruined Welbeck's development by primarily using him on the wing last season? No however, I do not think it is the most beneficial for his development as a striker. Some have used Henry's progress as an example of how Danny's career could pan out. Hopefully, if he is given a run of games in the centre, he will be able to score more goals.
Now, his trajectory has been much better than Welbeck. Robert is 25. Welbeck is 22. In 3 years time, it's certainly plausible that if Danny gets more games as a forward, he could drastically improve his goalscoring record. In Lewandowski's second season with Dortmund, most if not all of his appearances were as a forward. It can only help you when your chances in the team are in your main position. Danny has only been afforded such a luxury for one season and he didn't do half bad. Some were even saying he displaced Berbatov and Hernandez. I used Lewandowski as an example of what can happen when you are allowed to develop in your favored role. Does that mean we have ruined Welbeck's development by primarily using him on the wing last season? No however, I do not think it is the most beneficial for his development as a striker. Some have used Henry's progress as an example of how Danny's career could pan out. Hopefully, if he is given a run of games in the centre, he will be able to score more goals.
More than half? Really? I disagree.
I do not think he lacks positional sense. His confidence in goal is woeful at this stage in his career.
I remember someone posted the stats at the end of last season which showed he played more than half his games there.
Apart from you, does anyone care what other fans think of United's 3rd or 4th back up striker?
I absoluely can not wait for him to prove people wrong (which he will). Will be an enormous feck on all of their faces.
If you can find it, I would appreciate it.
Why will he improve? He's 23. He's wasn't a great finisher when he first broke onto the scene and he's not a great finisher now. Do we expect players to suddenly develop an incredible attribute out of nowhere in their mid 20s?
If his problem was that he needed taming then there wouldn't be a problem. His issue he's a perfectly level-headed player but he has nothing to tame. There is no wild aggression hindering the enhancement of his raw talent. Maybe people aren't ready to face that now but if after the next season this doesn't suddenly change and there's no dramatic upturn in his striking prowess maybe it'll be accepted next year or the year after.
To prove what wrong? That he can score? It his job to score and it's not that fans are Welbeck haters but we think that he should either start scoring or that he doesn't have a future at United. It's ok being a young good talented player, but another couple of seasons like the last one and he'll be our Downing.
Welbeck was mostly out wide, but it's far from his favoured position. He struggled, but it was a good season for him to learn more discipline. If he continued in the same manner as 11/12, he may have scored more goals, but the signing of Van Persie was a massive blow for him. I don't think his finishing is the problem, I believe it's his composure. If you see today's misses, they were all down to lack of composure and that has to do with the psychological impact of not finding momentum. There was a chance in the first half where he tried to take it past the goalkeeper, instead of shoot. While he should not be berated for this sort of miss, the incertitude and nature of what he was trying to do conveys the essence of my argument. The last miss further emphasises my point. He took the ball under control after a sublime touch, but it took him too long - duration for a striker - to take the shot... I think he was affected and effected by the misses earlier in the game, too. While I certainly don't think Welbeck has proven himself as a striker, he's only 22 - he's approaching 23 soon. The main thing is that some of us believe he'll improve, he isn't the finished product just yet. For some to compare him to Heskey, who is vastly inferior, is astonishing.
That's not the point I was trying to make. What is Rooney doing to help Welbeck improve his finishing? What is Van Persie doing to help Welbeck improve his finishing?
You're being unfair. Assists aren't intrinsic to this argument. Last season, Welbeck had 4 assists, while Hernández had 5 assists - I don't see how one solitary assists suggests that the latter is superior in linking up with team mates. In fact, the stats that we should be looking at are the following: Welbeck makes an average of 18.8 passes a game; Hernández an average of 12.2 (in the Premier League). Overall, Welbeck made 641 passes; Hernández made 364 passes (Premier League + Champions League). In the Premier League alone, Welbeck made 508 passes, while Hernández made 268. In 11/12, Welbeck made an average of 24.5 passes per game; Hernández made 14.4. Both are different players... Assists don't show how superior a player's link-up play is to another, the stats I just posted do and it's why Welbeck was favoured over Hernández in 11/12 and some parts of last season.
EDIT - Welbeck played 2 games (I say 3, but it doesn't matter) as a lone striker last season: http://www.whoscored.com/Players/39308/Show/Danny-Welbeck
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