His finishing wasn't always so poor. The season before last he got 12 goals, albeit in 39 games and genuinely was a decent finisher. He was also very capable in the youth and reserve sides and I don't see why he has to be written off. He's quite clearly lacking confidence in front of goal with his poor return last season, and add to the fact that is his first game in a couple of months he'll still be in need of some game time to get his match sharpness back. To write him of because of a poor season and then a pre-season match is ridiculous in my opinion. Still 22 and shown a lot of promise and deserves time to put it together. We were shite in the tour last year and I seem to remember Bébé and Macheda scoring a couple of goals while Chicharito found it difficult. These games don't mean much.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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He is just not a natural goal scorer.Maybe they'll work on him in training , but it's something you either have or not.
He's not a very good finisher by any means but it's not like he consistently missed chance after chance last season. If he improves his finishing he'll be a great striker, if he doesn't he'll still become a very good squad player for us
would be interesting to know, regardless of where he played last season, the ratio for chances he had to conversion....obviously he only converted twice....but chances?
The perspective is he's never had a great finishing record.
In terms of the league - 6 one season, then 9, then 1. If you added all other competitions into the equation you can add on just over one goal every season. This isn't as if we're seeing someone who has proven himself as a goalscorer. It's someone who is struggling to find his feet as one. If he scored 15 last season, 15 the previous - then it'd be different.
We haven't only just been introduced to Danny Welbeck 90 minutes ago.
Personally think Welbeck looks as useless as Fletcher and Evans did when they fast started getting more games than we thought worthwhile. They proved us wrong and Welbeck certainly has some positive attributes, but so often he just seems like a pile of crusty wank!
I don't think that people here (except Danny) are writing him off, just being worrying about his inability to score a goal, which I think is perfectly correct. He has played regularly in EPL in the last three seasons and he still looks like an amateur when it comes to finishing. I don't know what will happen in future, but surely just having talent and a good general play won't be enough for him to be a striker at United.
Remember the game up at the Bernabeu? Me neither. He'll be fine.
in terms of actually scoring goals, after RVP Rooney Hernandez....I'd put Rafa, Giggs or Zaha there first before Danny!!!!
Here's a good question for you guys, when was the last time he scored with his feet (for United)? He's got a pretty good head on him but his finishing with his feet has always been atrocious.
Answer is April 22, 2012 against Everton in the 4-4
Probably in the nut house, though I'd imagine a less secure wing than the head-cases who bump player threads 45 mins into the first game of pre-season.
A lack of composure when the chances come
Agreed. He's been capped 16 times for his country, he's played in a senior international competition. He's played in knock out rounds of the Champions League, he's had 82 matches as a senior Premier league player - most of them for Manchester United.
Yet even with that basis it's considered by some to be unfair to judge him on what he's achieved so far.
IMO this speaks of a wider problem with English players overall. If he was Spanish with his opportunities in the last three years there's no way he'd get to be nearly 23 and still get excused so much. Because he's English we have to ignore and overlook every flaw in his game for fear of being unfair to a 'young lad' until he's presumably in his mid 30s.
Scored for England at the Euros
I'm talking about just United, but it's not a huge difference anyways, only 2 months or so.
Does scoring by mistake count?
Looks to be the same old welbeck from last season starting this one. Hopefully he is just a bit of the pace still and is more of a goal threat in the next few preseason games
It's not that I don't agree with you about his finishing, I'm making the assumption that all of the Caf agree with you on the subject of his finishing, but I don't understand why you would bring up the number of goals he scored last season, considering that he only played as a striker in a couple of games. He rarely had chances from out wide to score and the matter of the fact is, our wingers don't score many goals - look at the stats, do that does make this argument of judging his goals from a wider position a bit petty, don't you think? Also, he did only start 13 games in the league last season (and made 14 appearances off the bench), so how is he expected to build rhythm or momentum? I do hope he can find his composure and reinvent his shooting style, I'm more interested to know what the likes of Rooney and Van Persie have done (or currently doing) to try and help Welbeck score more goals. One thing is for certain, he won't hit 20+ goals from the left/right wing. I do remember that many were doubting him last season, but then he produces two excellent performances against Real Madrid, the second performance did portray his tactical nous. People are exaggerating too much.
Ah, so no need to clarify which goal I was talking about then.
I like Welbeck. But frankly his finishing and his control in particular are nothing short of abysmal.
I would be worried if he was likely to start proper matches for us next season as a lone striker. But he isn't. So I'm not worried. He may not be a natural goal poacher but his bad streak of late obviously isn't a matter of ability - he isn't a terrible finisher, just at the moment a jinxed one who lacks confidence.
It's quite funny. You've been training/playing with RVP, Rooney and Hernandez (3 of the finest finishers out there) and you can't learn somethng from them? Needs to calm the feck down when he gets a chance.
Nope, seeing as he only scored once but carry on with your drawling
I'm not sure he was always so shufted out wide last season. I know he started a lot of games there but I never seem to remember him struggling to get central and into the area and up top.
I just see too many worrying excuses already. The raw talent in terms of finishing should be there already. The problem should be his composure and temperament which he should be gradually improving with more experience. But his composure isn't a problem - his finishing is. I'd be far more comfortable if we had a young forward who had a wicked shot which just needed to be tamed. But we have a young forward who I don't think has proven himself as a striker yet.
I didn't mention England, you did that yourself. I just asked if scoring by accident counted. You did the interpretation yourself as to what goal I meant. The fact you guessed right probably shows I wasn't entirely far off.
Well Rooney assisted both the goals Welbeck scored last season. I don't expect Welbeck to score a lot of goals from out wide, I don't think that is the main criticism. The criticism is that when he has actually had the chances, he should have done better. I like him as a player, he'll improve his finishing hopefully.
I don't think the Robin Van Persie comparision is accurate. Van Persie at 22 was a foreign player in a new league, who picked up a load of injuries that would continue for the next 5-6 years. He always looked like a decent finisher. You could nearly make the RvP excuse for Bebe, but it still doesn't ring true.
Welbeck just doesn't have the instinct or positional strength that some like Hernandez does. And the times he does get in position he total shits it more often than not.
Welbeck just doesn't have the instinct or positional strength that some like Hernandez does. And the times he does get in position he total shits it more often than not.
fecking hell you're thick. I said he scored for England at the Euros only for you to come up with some shite about accidentally scoring.
fecking hell you're thick. I said he scored for England at the Euros only for you to come up with some shite about accidentally scoring.
I wouldn't waste anymore time 'discussing' with certain people in this thread, they are clearly set in thier ways and will resort to any old rubbish to try and get thier 'point' across.
If either Rooney or RVP have to come off and Hernandez and Welbeck are on the subs bench, I'd always want Hernandez to be the one who comes on.....every time. Says it all for me really...
Because Hernandez is actually a goal threat. And someone who has scalps against the biggest teams in the world. Not to mention a fecking fantastic international record.
I think Welbeck proved with his performance against Real last season that he merits persevering with. This is a huge season for him, to say the least.
Depends on which area of the game we are struggling in, if it's finishing then certainly Hernandez should come on. If we are struggling to retain the ball or getting any decent link up playing going in the final third, then Danny.
If he'd scored a hat trick in today's pre-season friendly, I assume it'd have led to "it means nothing until he does it consistently in real games".
It's fairly pointless completely writing him and his ability as a striker off on the back of his second full season as a first teamer (foreign players are allowed second season syndrome), and on the back of the first game of pre-season.
The ball control got me though, I'll give you that.
It's fairly pointless completely writing him and his ability as a striker off on the back of his second full season as a first teamer (foreign players are allowed second season syndrome), and on the back of the first game of pre-season.
The ball control got me though, I'll give you that.
...we kind of said that last season as well...but hey ho, a new manager and all that. Perhaps Moyes has the magic wand to sort his scoring block out...
He was good over the two legs, but it was in pressing Alonso that he excelled in. We aren't going to be under that pressure week in, week out, so what else can he bring to the party ?
First game of pre-season having been back in training for about a week. Yeah, he might just STILL be a little bit off full sharpness.
Fair point, although actually I thought Hernandez improved his overall game very well last season in terms of possession and linking.
Not just pressing Alonso. He gave the Madrid defenders a torrid time. They struggled to deal with his pace and dribbling
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