Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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Although I am not a massive fan of Welbeck, whoscored.com stats do not reflect what he has been good at this season. He has been a 'defensive forward' for us this year, working hard and defending from the front.

Personally I would prefer a team that had no requirement for this type of player. Nonetheless I think that Welbeck has performed and excellent service for us this season.
 
He's shown promise in some areas this season, and been disappointing in others. I'd imagine fans of our rivals wouldn't rate him nearly as highly as he is on here.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Although I am not a massive fan of Welbeck, whoscored.com stats do not reflect what he has been good at this season. He has been a 'defensive forward' for us this year, working hard and defending from the front.

Personally I would prefer a team that had no requirement for this type of player. Nonetheless I think that Welbeck has performed and excellent service for us this season.
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In a dream world we wouldn't need players like Welbeck to play these roles but (again with the midfield) our midfield needs protecting and our formation doesn't help. Our full backs, especially Evra, get forward a lot and can't always get back and they need protecting. It might restrict Welbeck but unfortunately this season we have needed players like him to help the team and put in a shift.
 
Rozay said:
He's shown promise in some areas this season, and been disappointing in others. I'd imagine fans of our rivals wouldn't rate him nearly as highly as he is on here.
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Dunno about that. One Chelsea fan I know thinks Welbeck will turn out to be one of England's top players. Now I know it's only the opinion of one fan, but Danny has the talent to be the best. Last season, he was awkward at times and one criticism was that he tried too hard to be clever, but that shows he's got the confidence to try moves that others wouldn't attempt. It's always nice to see home-grown talent shine and Moyes will surely give him a big role next season.
 
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Pimp.

Are they his girlfriends?

(I absolutely adore that haircut on Welbeck :lol: Looks like he's been taking straight from Fresh Prince of Bel'Air).
 
Rozay said:
He's shown promise in some areas this season, and been disappointing in others. I'd imagine fans of our rivals wouldn't rate him nearly as highly as he is on here.
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I'd agree with you on that. I think the perfect example is the comparison of Welbeck and Sturridge. I argued for Sturridge being the better player back in January and was laughed at, and even now many would still try to say here that Welbeck is better. Outside of the club, mostly everyone would agree that Sturridge is certainly the better player at the moment.
 
Sturridge is, and always will be, a better goalscorer than Welbeck but Welbeck is the better footballer without doubt. Liverpool is Sturridge's level and always will be. Welbeck will be a star.
 
He needs to improve his finishing. The rest of his game is United quality and what's strange is that his finishing for England has been fairly good and yet for United he seems to freeze up in front of goal
 
Also, who gives a feck what people outside United think? We've been banging on for years about Carrick whilst most outside the club disagreed. Whilst we will naturally have some bias we're best placed to judge because we watch them so often.
 
Carl said:
Also, who gives a feck what people outside United think? We've been banging on for years about Carrick whilst most outside the club disagreed. Whilst we will naturally have some bias we're best placed to judge because we watch them so often.
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The amount of times I used to hear "when Scholes isn't scoring, why play him?" was ridiculous. Welbeck will start putting away his chances at some point, and he is going to be an excellent player.
 
Carl said:
Sturridge is, and always will be, a better goalscorer than Welbeck but Welbeck is the better footballer without doubt. Liverpool is Sturridge's level and always will be. Welbeck will be a star.
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I don't see how Welbeck is a much better player though. When he has an excellent game and plays at his very best, you'd have a fair point perhaps, but he doesn't do that often enough to be considered a better player than Sturridge who as you say is a much better goalscorer at the moment. I don't really see the basis for saying Welbeck is going to be a top player while Sturridge isn't at this time.
 
Ubik said:
The amount of times I used to hear "when Scholes isn't scoring, why play him?" was ridiculous. Welbeck will start putting away his chances at some point, and he is going to be an excellent player.
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That's a bit of a silly comparison though. Scholes is one of the best passers world football has seen in the past decade and was never a striker. Apart from a spell where he was scoring fairly regularly as an attacking midfielder, he wasn't really prolific in front of goal and never really needed to be; anyone who said he should be dropped because of goals return alone would be clueless.

On the other hand, Welbeck's a striker. He's expected to score and to score regularly and if he isn't then he's not doing his job. Only a select number of forwards are able to get away with not scoring prolifically at a top club, and Welbeck isn't good enough to be one of them. In all fairness he was often shunted out onto the wing this season and put in some decent shifts considering he was out of position, but still, he's not on the level where if he's up front he can get away with not scoring regularly.
 
Cheesy said:
That's a bit of a silly comparison though. Scholes is one of the best passers world football has seen in the past decade and was never a striker. Apart from a spell where he was scoring fairly regularly as an attacking midfielder, he wasn't really prolific in front of goal and never really needed to be; anyone who said he should be dropped because of goals return alone would be clueless.

On the other hand, Welbeck's a striker. He's expected to score and to score regularly and if he isn't then he's not doing his job. Only a select number of forwards are able to get away with not scoring prolifically at a top club, and Welbeck isn't good enough to be one of them. In all fairness he was often shunted out onto the wing this season and put in some decent shifts considering he was out of position, but still, he's not on the level where if he's up front he can get away with not scoring regularly.
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If you read the post I quoted and what I wrote, I was talking about views from outside the club of those who rarely if ever see a player throughout a full match. Many were clueless about what Scholes actually offered for this reason. Obviously Welbeck will have to increase his goal ratio, it was abominable last season, but the criticism he gets is way off the mark. And yes, I'd much, much prefer him to Sturridge (who I also thought would do well for Liverpool, as it happens).
 
Cheesy said:
That's a bit of a silly comparison though. Scholes is one of the best passers world football has seen in the past decade and was never a striker. Apart from a spell where he was scoring fairly regularly as an attacking midfielder, he wasn't really prolific in front of goal and never really needed to be; anyone who said he should be dropped because of goals return alone would be clueless.

On the other hand, Welbeck's a striker. He's expected to score and to score regularly and if he isn't then he's not doing his job. Only a select number of forwards are able to get away with not scoring prolifically at a top club, and Welbeck isn't good enough to be one of them. In all fairness he was often shunted out onto the wing this season and put in some decent shifts considering he was out of position, but still, he's not on the level where if he's up front he can get away with not scoring regularly.
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Agree with a lot you say Cheesy but as you say also he hasn't really been played as a striker consistently enough for us too know if he'll start to score regularly or how good he will be playing through the middle. I think this kid giving the chance will be special just hope he gets a run through the middle up top to prove himself with enough confidence!
 
Big season coming up for him he needs to play upfront we need another wing to prevent this happening but will he get more games when he is our 4th choice striker. I agree with the consensus that Welbeck is a better footballer than Sturridge though he is the better goalscorer. Though Sturridge is no scrub he is skilful and his decision making will improve, they are strikers so really should be judged first and foremost by their goalscoring ability. Sturridge is comfortably better than Welbeck in that regard. If Welbeck was at Liverpool I don't think he would have been as prolific as Sturridge has been so far either. Welebck needs to justify our faith he needs to become a more composed player infront of goal.
 
He needs to be patient, first a foremost. It's a difficult situation. Although his goal-scoring has not been anywhere near good enough, it's harsh to ask him to improve it when he still looks more likely to get games on the wing than up front.

United fans, who watch him regularly, know he has the quality to make it here. Things change fast in football, especially under a new manager - there seems to be a solid wall ahead of him at the moment, but in a year or two, who knows what might be different? He's still young.
 
I think I saw somewhere that he only played two games as a striker for us last season. I think that pretty much explains why he isn't scoring much because when he starts up front for England he scores perfectly fine. Opportunities up top for us are going to be hard to come by because there are currently three other players vying for that position who are all more prolific than him when they play there. He said himself that he wants to add goals to his game even if he's playing out wide though, so that's something he will have to work on because I don't see much opportunity for him as a main striker even though it would be best for his development. Another thing he has to work on is when to release the ball in the final third. He makes so many good runs time and time again, but then he cancels all his hard work out by running into traffic or not playing in a team mate in time and getting dispossessed. It's just composure in the box I think and it'll come. When it all clicks together, I truly believe he will be a brilliant player. At the moment all of the components are there they're just sporadic and unrefined.
 
LR7 said:
I think I saw somewhere that he only played two games as a striker for us last season. I think that pretty much explains why he isn't scoring much because when he starts up front for England he scores perfectly fine. Opportunities up top for us are going to be hard to come by because there are currently three other players vying for that position who are all more prolific than him when they play there. He said himself that he wants to add goals to his game even if he's playing out wide though, so that's something he will have to work on because I don't see much opportunity for him as a main striker even though it would be best for his development. Another thing he has to work on is when to release the ball in the final third. He makes so many good runs time and time again, but then he cancels all his hard work out by running into traffic or not playing in a team mate in time and getting dispossessed. It's just composure in the box I think and it'll come. When it all clicks together, I truly believe he will be a brilliant player. At the moment all of the components are there they're just sporadic and unrefined.
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One goal from the wing all season is not on out of position or not should be getting between 5-15. For England he has 5 goals in 16 games with 2 against San Marino so that is 3 in the other 15 appearances. He struggles in front of goal you only have to watch to see that he is not a natural goalscorer. Hopefully that composure comes but it won't come from playing on the wing that is for sure. I don't see him getting anymore time upfront this coming season either. If he could add those goals I would want him to be our next striker after Van Persie fades, he has everything you need but goals are so important as a striker and he seems allergic to them currently.

I wonder how Moyes will handle it we will just have to wait and see but if he is not brought along correctly he could end up not fulfilling his potential. He is too good/old to go on loan but not good enough to start in his favoured position here. Could he become a winger??
 
I don't see him ever becoming a winger permanently. We've generally played him out there because he's a hard worker and is the type of player who can be useful at times out there because he'll tirelessly work and he'll continually track back if told to by the manager. The problem would be that as a winger he's not got much that would mean he'd do well there if it was his proper position; he's not really a brilliant crosser and he's not the sort of player who you'll see cutting in a lot. He's good for a hard worker out there but not much more. If he makes it here then it'll be as a forward.
 
LR7 said:
I think I saw somewhere that he only played two games as a striker for us last season.
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According to transfermarkt (I don't know how accurate they're meant to be, so take this with a pinch of salt):

LW - 7
RW - 9
ST - 11

So that's 16 games out of 27 on the wing, although I can't remember him playing on the right that much.
 
He really was incredible in that Madrid match. And not just in an 'ooh, didn't he work hard?' sort of way. He was arguably the best player on the pitch. I think if he wasn't so tall, people would have much more respect for his technical ability in terms of dribbling and holding onto the ball under pressure. It's amazing that he still has this reputation for clumsiness, when in fact he's one of the most competent manipulators of the ball in our team. And the Madrid match was testament to the fact that he doesn't lose that in the pressure cooker of a top-level match, which is an important asset if you want to make it at a CL-level team. His composure was admirable.
 
Cheesy said:
I don't see him ever becoming a winger permanently. We've generally played him out there because he's a hard worker and is the type of player who can be useful at times out there because he'll tirelessly work and he'll continually track back if told to by the manager. The problem would be that as a winger he's not got much that would mean he'd do well there if it was his proper position; he's not really a brilliant crosser and he's not the sort of player who you'll see cutting in a lot. He's good for a hard worker out there but not much more. If he makes it here then it'll be as a forward.
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I'm talking more to his speed, strength and his ability to beat players crossing skill can also be improved and like you said he is a hardworker. He needs to play more upfront and I don't see that happening so where will he get the reps to improve his finishing/decision making playing on the wing he is effectively trying to do two things be a good winger while trying to become a better striker.
 
Brightonian said:
He really was incredible in that Madrid match. And not just in an 'ooh, didn't he work hard?' sort of way. He was arguably the best player on the pitch. I think if he wasn't so tall, people would have much more respect for his technical ability in terms of dribbling and holding onto the ball under pressure. It's amazing that he still has this reputation for clumsiness, when in fact he's one of the most competent manipulators of the ball in our team. And the Madrid match was testament to the fact that he doesn't lose that in the pressure cooker of a top-level match, which is an important asset if you want to make it at a CL-level team. His composure was admirable.
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In regards to the clumsiness, the reputation is there because he can have a tendency to sometimes be clumsy on the ball. That's the frustrating thing about him: his inconsistency on the ball at times. You can never doubt his workrate as he'll always give 100%, but he's the sort of player who will do brilliant things with the ball one game and will look superb on it, but then the next game he'll make sloppy, basic errors. At his best he really is a talent, but sometimes he'll look like bambi.

You're right about his performance in the Madrid game though, he was superb in it.
 
Cheesy said:
In regards to the clumsiness, the reputation is there because he can have a tendency to sometimes be clumsy on the ball. That's the frustrating thing about him: his inconsistency on the ball at times. You can never doubt his workrate as he'll always give 100%, but he's the sort of player who will do brilliant things with the ball one game and will look superb on it, but then the next game he'll make sloppy, basic errors. At his best he really is a talent, but sometimes he'll look like bambi.

You're right about his performance in the Madrid game though, he was superb in it.
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I think inconsistent is too harsh. He's almost always superb with his ball control, but then he makes one very embarrassing stumble every other game or so. It's not like he alternates between a poor touch and a good touch, which would be inconsistency. It would be more accurate to describe him as being occasionally error-prone in the box than inconsistent technically.
 
Adam-Utd said:
What a lad.

Out of context slightly but anybody know what his sunglasses are? they are boss.
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:lol: I thought you were showing off that you knew what sunglasses they were then.

I read it as if Alan from the hangover was saying it. Does anyone know what his sunglasses are? They are Boss.
 
Pexbo said:
:lol: I thought you were showing off that you knew what sunglasses they were then.

I read it as if Alan from the hangover was saying it. Does anyone know what his sunglasses are? They are Boss.
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:lol: I can see how you made that assumption.

No seriously I just genuinely like the look of them, they look expensive and are clearly pussy magnets.
 
So yeah, where are those guys on about him playing as a striker?
 
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