Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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I think this more defensive side of Welbeck's game is mainly something we're seeing until he brings a greater level of productivity and composure to the table. Get the impression many players consciously put in more effort defensively to compensate for other weaknesses in their game, although that's not to say I'm not happy with how useful a player he is in this respect (or that he's just going to turn into Berbatov when he does start scoring).

For some reason I think it'll take Van Persie declining or Rooney leaving for it to click properly for Welbeck, but we've a marvelous player on our hands if/when that time comes.
 
sincher said:
He isn't woeful Rob. It was only last year that the Welbeck Rooney partnership was looking very strong. Many united fans said that we didnt need Van Persie, even with Berbatov leaving. This season he really hasn't played up front very much at all and his confidence in front of goal has taken a hit, but he has it in him to score far more.
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He seems confident to me, he took his Madrid goal well enough, he is a hard worker, and a good performer, but in terms of goals and chances hes not good, and thats probably why he does get shifted around a bit.
 
There is a world of difference between Welbeck in the final third now and the younger Welbeck, to be fair. He looks nothing like as composed as he did back then irrespective of the standard of opposition.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Watching him in his teens he looked like a really laid back, languid and slightly flaky footballer. Wouldn't have predicted the incredible work ethic he's shown this season. Of course, you'd have to have a very short memory to think that this was all there was to his game.
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He stood out a mile at youth level as far as talent was concerned though. He was very, very good at 16.
 
The thing is, opportunities have been so few and far between this season you can see why he's snatching at them. He's either played out wide or as part of a weakened team. You could the amount of games he's started up front alongside Rooney or Van Persie on the fingers of one hand. Throw our misfiring wingers into the mix and you can see why he's been starved of chances.
 
I love Welbeck, but it's gotten to the point that when he's on one of his runs towards the penalty box, I don't even bother to get excited because I know nothing is going to come of it. He's either going to run into traffic and get dispossessed or fall over the ball. He loses all composure and is almost bedazzled when he sees the bright white lines of the penalty box coming into view.

I love what he does away from the box though. He robs the ball from people fairly easily and his pace can be electrifying at times when he's on the break - as Ashley Cole's hamstring can confirm. I wish he would go it alone a bit less because its rarely fruitful, but he's a great person to launch counter attacks which is why I think he was selected in both legs against Madrid where that was our chosen approach.

To call him our best striker Magnus is beyond ridiculous because a striker is meant to score goals and he isn't nearly potent enough. Our three other strikers are easily better than him in that position, its not even close either. But to use his goal stats for this season as evidence that he's a woeful striker like Rob did is silly considering that of those 35 apps he's probably only played 2-3 games as an actual striker. Being played out of position so often I think is what's caused him to lose composure in the box so much. A run of games there where that's where most of his touches are coming would help matters but he isn't going to get regular games there ahead of the other three right now based on form not because two are superstars.

He's a youngster and there is plenty of time to be patient with him and I'm sure we will. There aren't many better forwards for him to learn from either. He's going to be a great player when all these elements of his game start to come together.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
You mean Dirk Kuyt?
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Some Liverpool supporters and a couple of Spurs supporters I know actually called him Kuyt with pace last weekend.

For me he is very talented, my only concern is that he seem to struggle with his body control, and I'm not to sure that it can be bettered all that much considering he will be 23 at the start of the new season.
 
Pedant point but he will still be 22 at the start of next season. But players can develop as many many have shown between the ages of 22-27.

Obviously if Welbeck doesn't develop much as a player in the next couple of years I can understand not rating him highly as an United player. But at the moment the potential is there.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Pedant point but he will still be 22 at the start of next season. But players can develop as many many have shown between the ages of 22-27.

Obviously if Welbeck doesn't develop much as a player in the next couple of years I can understand not rating him highly as an United player. But at the moment the potential is there.
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It' will be four games in or so, that was what I was trying to say:)
 
Since signing that new 60k/week contract, he's a bit off. Not saying he's getting lazy (which he isn't), but in terms of his end result. Reminds me of Sterling. Actually, it's the reverse. When Sterling went shit after signing new contract, it reminds me of Welbeck.

Although I still think both will be marvelous players for their clubs.
 
Once it clicks on the goalscoring front it will click big time.. am fairly confident of that, he's still learning about the game and his performances reflect the fact that he's so focused on his overall performance that he's neglecting the goalscoring element of the game... with maturity he'll feel he has less to prove as he'll be a regular, he'll be more effortless and more attention can be paid to exploiting opposition defences and racking up the goals.

He has such a high ceiling as a player in terms of potential, for me he deserves to be on that PFA list.. as in games such as the Real ties and even in the recent FA Cup game v Chelsea, this is a boy who can dominate top teams.. literally the only thing missing is the killer touch in front of goal and I think he will display this in the near future.

He's not like Hernandez, who goes into a game and his entire focus is looking for gaps and moving into goalscoring positions... he has a much more all round game and he has alot of responsibility in terms of helping the team play, or marking opposition players in certain games. Be patient.
 
Raees said:
Once it clicks on the goalscoring front it will click big time.. am fairly confident of that, he's still learning about the game and his performances reflect the fact that he's so focused on his overall performance that he's neglecting the goalscoring element of the game... with maturity he'll feel he has less to prove as he'll be a regular, he'll be more effortless and more attention can be paid to exploiting opposition defences and racking up the goals.

He has such a high ceiling as a player in terms of potential, for me he deserves to be on that PFA list.. as in games such as the Real ties and even in the recent FA Cup game v Chelsea, this is a boy who can dominate top teams.. literally the only thing missing is the killer touch in front of goal and I think he will display this in the near future.

He's not like Hernandez, who goes into a game and his entire focus is looking for gaps and moving into goalscoring positions... he has a much more all round game and he has alot of responsibility in terms of helping the team play, or marking opposition players in certain games. Be patient.
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I think he will be a ok player for us. But, people seem to think we got a new Drogba on our hands. People can't really spot the degree of talent if they think he will be one of the best players in the PL in the future.
 
Giggsforever said:
I think he will be a ok player for us. But, people seem to think we got a new Drogba on our hands. People can't really spot the degree of talent if they think he will be one of the best players in the PL in the future.
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Or perhaps you cant spot the talent that Welbeck has? Afterall he's nothing like Drogba, so not sure why you're making that comparison.
 
His first season at United, he scored some very good goals.I remember some curlers and at the time it prompted some Thierry Henry comparisons.Hopefully Welbeck will find his scoring touch
 
One of our promising young players has been shortlisted for YPOTY, feck me, be happy about it.
 
Zen86 said:
One of our promising young players has been shortlisted for YPOTY, feck me, be happy about it.
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When you put it like that, yeah people should be delighted but on a realistic level he has no place on that list over two other promising young players who are arguably (or not far off being) the best in the league in their position despite being 22 (De Gea and Rafael).
 
ISSYNAZAR said:
When you put it like that, yeah people should be delighted but on a realistic level he has no place on that list over two other promising young players who are arguably (or not far off being) the best in the league in their position despite being 22 (De Gea and Rafael).
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As if either of those two were ever getting shortlisted though. Rafael always get criminally underrated and DDG has still been "shaky" with "question marks" over him for most of the season, it's only recently that the media have started to get a clue about him.
 
Zen86 said:
As if either of those two were ever getting shortlisted though. Rafael always get criminally underrated and DDG has still been "shaky" with "question marks" over him for most of the season, it's only recently that the media have started to get a clue about him.
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And that's exactly what makes Danny Welbeck's nomination even more ridiculous. Nothing against him...I see the work he does which compensates for a lack of productivity, but his nomination it's just not justified.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Definitely. Made it look so easy. Probably a big reason why his work ethic wasn't so apparent back then.
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He was never lazy but I think the difference now is quite apparent. Works harder these days and it reflects well on his attitude.
 
pocco said:
Or perhaps you cant spot the talent that Welbeck has? Afterall he's nothing like Drogba, so not sure why you're making that comparison.
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Hey, I might be wrong, and I hope so, I really do.

But, from what I have seen from him, and his age, I can't see him being a top player for us.

He is talented, he has so much ability and pace, but he has a problem with his body Control, and I'm not certain he will be able to correct that at his age.

I don't understand the hate against someone trying to evalute his talent. It's my opinion and I think I will be right. You have another opinion, and I hope you are right. But, I will stand by my conviction no matter. I do not hate on you because of what you say, I respect it. We are of different opinions.
 
I still think it'll click for him and he'll score 20-25 goals a season (he'll never be a 35 goal a season player, not that type of striker) when he becomes a regular.

But him being shortlisted for young player of the year is, if we're entirely hones, undeserved.
 
Raees said:
Once it clicks on the goalscoring front it will click big time.. am fairly confident of that, he's still learning about the game and his performances reflect the fact that he's so focused on his overall performance that he's neglecting the goalscoring element of the game... with maturity he'll feel he has less to prove as he'll be a regular, he'll be more effortless and more attention can be paid to exploiting opposition defences and racking up the goals.\
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His all-round technical game will put him in great stead but to be honest I don't think he's a 'natural' finisher. The ceiling of 'good to great' strikers in the EPL has been raised very high and it will be tough for someone who's not a natural finisher with swagger.

His work rate, ethic and determination however is a huge bonus as a player.

Not that I care either way. He could play the next 400 games and not score a goal and I still wouldn't care.


Giggsforever said:
I think he will be a ok player for us. But, people seem to think we got a new Drogba on our hands. People can't really spot the degree of talent if they think he will be one of the best players in the PL in the future.
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Who has said that? :lol:, You're right when you say they can't spot the degree of talent because a lot of people think he's shite. Which is hilarious in itself.
 
ghaliboy said:
His all-round technical game will put him in great stead but to be honest I don't think he's a 'natural' finisher. The ceiling of 'good to great' strikers in the EPL has been raised very high and it will be tough for someone who's not a natural finisher with swagger.

His work rate, ethic and determination however is a huge bonus as a player.

Not that I care either way. He could play the next 400 games and not score a goal and I still wouldn't care.




Who has said that? :lol:, You're right when you say they can't spot the degree of talent because a lot of people think he's shite. Which is hilarious in itself.
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Welbeck has an unbelievable talent. He is quick, strikes the ball well, good technique, probably the best defensive striker in the club, hard-working and he is tall.

The problem is that he so far completely has lacked the ability to be calm and composed when in goalscoring opportunities. One on one with a keeper - you expect him not to score.

If he can improve that area a lot, he will be a world-class striker. If not - he won't have a future at O.T
 
Both Henry and Drogba were not natural finishers in the mould of an Owen who was naturally prolific, the other two needed abit of experience and confidence before they started banging in the goals... Cristiano Ronaldo, he too wasn't a natural finisher, he's had to work at it.

Henry said he needed to be re-taught every thing about being a striker when he went to Arsenal. One thing that is clear to me is that Welbeck is capable of having an impact against top notch defences due to his skillset and his physicality... even if he doesn't become a prolific goalscorer, 10-20 goals a season alongside plenty of assists (he has it in him to be a creative player), will make him an important player for club and country to come. I don't think he realises how good he can be at times.
 
lysglimt said:
Welbeck has an unbelievable talent. He is quick, strikes the ball well, good technique, probably the best defensive striker in the club, hard-working and he is tall.

The problem is that he so far completely has lacked the ability to be calm and composed when in goalscoring opportunities. One on one with a keeper - you expect him not to score.

If he can improve that area a lot, he will be a world-class striker. If not - he won't have a future at O.T
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That's an exagerration. This season he's lacked composure in front of goal. In previous seasons he's shown himself to be a good finisher, scoring a variety of quality goals.
 
Welbeck one of these players for me where I'm convinced a majority of people just never pay attention to him playing and judge hs contributions by the MOTD highlights or something?

He's rarely played up front this season and when he has he's usually been very good. He's also been pretty effective playing in wider positions. He'll draw players out of areas and then keep possession even if he's got two or three players around him...if he's left 1 v1 he usually just turns his man with ease or runs in behind. He's even shown he can man mark defensively and still force the opposition to change tactically because he's turned out to be our main attacing outlet. It's the final ball that lets him down but with someone his age that more often than not is the case. It's more an experience thing than confidence/composure I think.
 
noodlehair said:
Welbeck one of these players for me where I'm convinced a majority of people just never pay attention to him playing and judge hs contributions by the MOTD highlights or something?

He's rarely played up front this season and when he has he's usually been very good. He's also been pretty effective playing in wider positions. He'll draw players out of areas and then keep possession even if he's got two or three players around him...if he's left 1 v1 he usually just turns his man with ease or runs in behind. He's even shown he can man mark defensively and still force the opposition to change tactically because he's turned out to be our main attacing outlet. It's the final ball that lets him down but with someone his age that more often than not is the case. It's more an experience thing than confidence/composure I think.
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Indeed. He's an intelligent, hard working team player who is incredibly disciplined tactically for a young lad. Exactly the sort of player Fergie loves which along with the fact he's a local lad, is exactly why he will be here for years to come.
 
Raees said:
Both Henry and Drogba were not natural finishers in the mould of an Owen who was naturally prolific, the other two needed abit of experience and confidence before they started banging in the goals... Cristiano Ronaldo, he too wasn't a natural finisher, he's had to work at it.

Henry said he needed to be re-taught every thing about being a striker when he went to Arsenal. One thing that is clear to me is that Welbeck is capable of having an impact against top notch defences due to his skillset and his physicality... even if he doesn't become a prolific goalscorer, 10-20 goals a season alongside plenty of assists (he has it in him to be a creative player), will make him an important player for club and country to come. I don't think he realises how good he can be at times.
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Yep. He has too many good attributes to fail at this level (that is including his mentality which seems to be quite strong judging from interviews and so).

I thought last season he actually did quite well in front of goal, all things considered. He missed a few chances here and there but in the most part led the line brilliantly and scored some crackers. The only thing that majorly annoyed me was the chipped finishes he would try and execute and it would be cleared off the line all the time. It literally happened more than 5 times last season and it was infuriating.
 
noodlehair said:
He's rarely played up front this season and when he has he's usually been very good.
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He's had 2 starts up front this season in the league. Actually, a quick check reveals he's started 22 times up front in the PL for us, and scored 8 goals in those games. Not amazing, but decent enough for a young striker.

If he got a full season as a number 9 he'd almost certainly manage 15+ goals, and with his other attributes that would be a fantastic return. Instead he'll continue to play in a deeper role and continue to get slagged off by idiots. And we will continue to almost always win the matches he plays in.
 
noodlehair said:
Welbeck one of these players for me where I'm convinced a majority of people just never pay attention to him playing and judge hs contributions by the MOTD highlights or something?
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Sound's like some of the bell-ends I play football with.

"John Terry a mad defender bra I wanna be lyk him, Carrick? Na he'z shit so iz da Welbeckz"
 
Could welbeck become out Marco Reus?

Both are agile, fast and have good feet, and are decent dribblers.

I think if we could get him playing I'm a similar way it would work well.
 
We played him in a somewhat similar role against Madrid 2 leg's and it worked very well on the whole. (Though more Central).
 
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