Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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I thought he was decent. Ran with it well, played a few nice passes with the outside of his foot. I thought he worked hard defensively as well, drifted all over the pitch. He looked knackered when he came off after their goal.
 
He's been in decent form, but was shit today. Personally, I never really liked him on the wing as he tends to go infield too much and loses the ball quite often, trying to dribble past a lot of players. Doesn't put in any crosses as well.
I'm not quite sure with him. He's very quick and strong, and usually has good control, but he's most definitely not a winger. Don't think he should be a striker either considering his awful finishing. Not quite sure where his future lies if he is to become good enough to start, but I don't think he'll ever be quite good enough to be a starting striker or winger for United in the future.
 
He played on the right today when he is excellent at coming in from the left and linking play. He's our biggest threat from the left and currently its his best position. I suppose we had to play him on the right to fit Young in but he suffered for it.
 
Still has yet to put it all together. He missed a great opportunity to put Rooney through and those are the fine margins which define a game. He'll definitely get better but the only problem with starting him is you'll rarely get the complete performance from him. He's just not at that level quite yet. As they say, growing pains.
 
SkeppyRed said:
He played on the right today when he is excellent at coming in from the left and linking play. He's our biggest threat from the left and currently its his best position. I suppose we had to play him on the right to fit Young in but he suffered for it.
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I'm sorry, but how is Welbeck a threat?
 
My personal opinion is and has been for a while that Fergie is too lenient with him.

Tidy player for sure, homegrown indeed, but just never grabs big games by the scruff of the neck.
 
I rate Danny and always have but at the moment I'm not sure what SAF sees him being in this team.

Is he purely going to be converted to a Park-esque defensive winger who gets picked in big games for his workrate? Or is he going to be a class center forward capable of winning games? Because last season I really thought in a couple of years he'd go on to be the latter.

I just hope this muddling with his position doesn't effect his progress.
 
Kingcon said:
I guess Madrid away and at home isn't a big enough game?
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Didn't grab any of those by the scruff of the neck.

Scored from a corner, fair play, doesn't mean much as to his all-round impact during play. If anything replacing him for Rooney earlier in the return leg was as close we could have got to changing the course of things.
 
Nani Nana said:
Didn't grab any of those by the scruff of the neck.

Scored from a corner, fair play, doesn't mean much as to his all-round impact during play. If anything replacing him for Rooney earlier in the return leg was as close we could have got to changing the course of things.
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I love danny but i'm going to agree here.. bar the header off the corner he didn't do feck all mate open ** eyes he's a striker not a winger.
 
Kingcon said:
I guess Madrid away and at home isn't a big enough game?
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He was shite in the first game, scored a header but apart from that did nothing. Second game he did well for the most part, but in the end, he wasn't decisive and didn't make any decisive moments. He is supposed to be a striker but he just doesn't have any sense of a killer instinct.
 
Giggsforever said:
I'm sorry, but how is Welbeck a threat?
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Maybe not in terms of end-product but he helps us get better possession in the final third by finding space and linking the play, as well as his pace and dribbling ability. Better than Young does anyway.
 
Feel sorry for him sometimes. Had a really good first season as an out and out striker, got skeptical praise from most here. Some saying still not good enough.

Then this season after continuing his football education playing in different positions and gradually earning a spot in the team in a number of positions (which is how Fergie likes to blood the young'uns) and being charged with the responsibility of earning a start.

This thread serves to highlight the stigma attached to him which is his finishing and his end product and 'goal threat'. It's there, nobody will really deny it but fecking hell some of the dross spouted in here is ludicrous. Suddenly he's having 'shit game's and doing 'feck all apart from scoring' when it is as plain as day he's making a decent enough contribution, working his bollocks off for the entire time he's out on the pitch, but can't really go that extra peg... Yet.

fecking give the guy a chance and just calm the feck down. Flying in here to say 'HE WUZ feckKN SHIT' he wasn't even that bad. Tidy on the ball created space and moved effectively. Should have played Rooney in granted but didn't. Fickle fans have short memories these days and it's far to easy for them to say 'he miscontrolled and missed a pass.. SHIT GAME.'
 
He doesn't even get played on the same wing anymore, I don't know how anyone thinks he's supposed to string together consistently good performances. He was no worse than Young, Rooney, and RvP while playing in a position he hardly ever plays in.
 
bosnian_red said:
He was shite in the first game, scored a header but apart from that did nothing. Second game he did well for the most part, but in the end, he wasn't decisive and didn't make any decisive moments. He is supposed to be a striker but he just doesn't have any sense of a killer instinct.
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This is just crazy, he was easily our best player over the two legs against Madrid. Welbeck may not be scoring but he is constantly causing problems with his relentless pressing, movement, and quick passing. A player doesn't have to be scoring to positively contribute, regardless of their position.
 
bosnian_red said:
He was shite in the first game, scored a header but apart from that did nothing. Second game he did well for the most part, but in the end, he wasn't decisive and didn't make any decisive moments. He is supposed to be a striker but he just doesn't have any sense of a killer instinct.
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Well, now I'm baffled. Madrid fans I know were fecking drooling over him, both after the first and the second leg.
 
As for yesterday, like I said in some different thread, he was bad positionally, i.e. leaving Rafael all on his own. Was ok when he actually had the ball, apart from that moment when he should have played it to Rooney... What on earth was he thinking?
 
gza the genius said:
This is just crazy, he was easily our best player over the two legs against Madrid. Welbeck may not be scoring but he is constantly causing problems with his relentless pressing, movement, and quick passing. A player doesn't have to be scoring to positively contribute, regardless of their position.
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Tomuś said:
Well, now I'm baffled. Madrid fans I know were fecking drooling over him, both after the first and the second leg.
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First game he wasn't very good at all, he lost the ball plenty of times and apart from scoring the goal, didn't do much. Rewatch the game if you think he had a very good game in the first leg.

Second leg he was excellent in the first half and was causing loads of problems, and as you say the Madrid fans had every right to drool over him. Second half he was understandably a bit more quiet. The only problem I had with him in the second leg was for all his good work, I don't remember him making too many openings, or goal scoring chances.

That's what I mean with him not having a killer instinct. He can cause plenty of problems most games with his quick passing and his pace, but he never looks like scoring really.
 
Tomuś said:
As for yesterday, like I said in some different thread, he was bad positionally, i.e. leaving Rafael all on his own. Was ok when he actually had the ball, apart from that moment when he should have played it to Rooney... What on earth was he thinking?
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He tried to bluff the defender, Rooney was in acres of space and it looked like he opened his body up as if to pass to Rooney but then tried to knock it past the defender (Nastasic, I think?) but he read it. It was stupid and selfish.

Just play Rooney in and he's at least getting a shot at Hart from a close distance. It's frustrating me just thinking about it now, such a fecking stupid decision.
 
bosnian_red said:
First game he wasn't very good at all, he lost the ball plenty of times and apart from scoring the goal, didn't do much. Rewatch the game if you think he had a very good game in the first leg.
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I have it on my hard disk and have re-watched it 2 or 3 times.

I also found this on yt.

Don't really know how much more can you expect from a young lad away at the Bernabeu.
 
I actually think a lot of the problem is RVP. Fergie would be playing Welbz in his 'real' position if not for the Dutchman, but now to ensure Welbeck keeps getting games and hence progressing as a player, he has to shunt him out wide.

Even worse for Hernandez.

I just can't understand why Danny can't fix the problem himself. In the vast majority of instances he just doesn't shoot. So just tell yourself before the game 'If I'm in a position to shoot I do, doesn't matter if I miss'. Go with that FFS.
 
bosnian_red said:
First game he wasn't very good at all, he lost the ball plenty of times and apart from scoring the goal, didn't do much. Rewatch the game if you think he had a very good game in the first leg.
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He had 4 misplaced passes, and was dispossessed twice according to Whoscored. Away at fecking Real that is pretty bloody decent.

He also had 3 shots, with 2 being on target and put in joint second most tackles in the team, as well as causing them a problem with his athleticism and movement, and harrying their midfielders with his closing down..

He played bloody well in that game.
 
Shane88 said:
He tried to bluff the defender, Rooney was in acres of space and it looked like he opened his body up as if to pass to Rooney but then tried to knock it past the defender (Nastasic, I think?) but he read it. It was stupid and selfish.

Just play Rooney in and he's at least getting a shot at Hart from a close distance. It's frustrating me just thinking about it now, such a fecking stupid decision.
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Well, yeah I know that but the thing is he headed exactly where the defender wanted him to run. Just play it to Rooney and follow for a potential tap-in/rebound.
 
Drainy said:
He had 4 misplaced passes, and was dispossessed twice according to Whoscored. Away at fecking Real that is pretty bloody decent.

He also had 3 shots, with 2 being on target and put in joint second most tackles in the team, as well as causing them a problem with his athleticism and movement, and harrying their midfielders with his closing down..

He played bloody well in that game.
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Exactly. He tortured them with his harrying and tackling, scored the goal, was good in the build-up. As for losing the ball and misplacing passes I also don't believe it was that bad.
 
Watching the video he seemed decent enough until the last few bits where he gave the ball away before he got subbed. I seem to remember him being a bit quiet though apart from the goal, and that he was much better in the second leg. Then again, those were 2 really nerve racking games so you can't blame me for thinking he was quiet if he didn't stick out very much considering the players that were on the pitch!

Still though, he just lacks something for me. He's good at running with the ball at his feet and pressuring the defence but whenever he gets in sight of the goal he just gets so nervous.
 
I thought Danny was okay, i thought he could have done better in the final third, forced a few corners and had a good glancing header. He justified his selection according to me.
 
bosnian_red said:
First game he wasn't very good at all, he lost the ball plenty of times and apart from scoring the goal, didn't do much. Rewatch the game if you think he had a very good game in the first leg.
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Just give it up, you're talking absolute stonewall bollocks.

Beachryan said:
'If I'm in a position to shoot I do, doesn't matter if I miss'. Go with that FFS.
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He's the ultimate nice guy. Look at some of the replies in this thread. 'feck ME COME ON DANNY SHOOT'.. all the way to 'JESUS WHAT WAS HE THINKING NOT PASSING AND TRYING TO GO IT HIMSELF'.

22, English, homegrown. Anything after that is massively over critical. He's not shit, that is obvious. People just want to hate on anything they can these days because it's more fashionable than getting behind a youngster and being happy with his development and not point out every flaw in rapid fire on a forum.
 
He loses his head too often at very important moments, like the non Rooney pass today.

But his play other than that has been good for a young kid.

He was great against Mardid
 
Nani Nana said:
Didn't grab any of those by the scruff of the neck.

Scored from a corner, fair play, doesn't mean much as to his all-round impact during play. If anything replacing him for Rooney earlier in the return leg was as close we could have got to changing the course of things.
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CR#7 said:
I love danny but i'm going to agree here.. bar the header off the corner he didn't do feck all mate open ** eyes he's a striker not a winger.
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bosnian_red said:
He was shite in the first game, scored a header but apart from that did nothing. Second game he did well for the most part, but in the end, he wasn't decisive and didn't make any decisive moments. He is supposed to be a striker but he just doesn't have any sense of a killer instinct.
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Wonderful.
 
I thought he used the ball well when he got it and defended very well but he just wasn't in the game at all. Certainly didn't help having Rafael giving the ball away all the time. Overall a promising performance in a big game because he was absolutely fearless and his passing was more composed than the majority of his team-mates but promising's not what we needed right now.
 
Magnus said:
Apart from Jones I thought he was our best player last night. Van Persie, Young, Rafael etc were shite though.
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Almost agree with you, but Welback was cack, although he would have been more productive on the left.

Also Rafael was ok, and he would have been better with Valencia on his side.

If Young ever plays well, it's a fecking miracle because he is simply mediocre. I never liked him at Villa, and I'm not going to start now.

You have missed out someone though...our No. 10 was very very poor, and has been for quite some time now.
 
He did decent but am not a big fan of playing him out on the right. Understandable though given how shit our wingers have been
 
gza the genius said:
This is just crazy, he was easily our best player over the two legs against Madrid. Welbeck may not be scoring but he is constantly causing problems with his relentless pressing, movement, and quick passing. A player doesn't have to be scoring to positively contribute, regardless of their position.
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Exactly! His speed helped minimize Real's counter attacking threat. That was arguably the biggest two games of this season and Welbz showed up for both.

I still feel he has a lot of room for improvement but the argument that he can't step it up for the big games doesn't make sense for me.
 
gza the genius said:
This is just crazy, he was easily our best player over the two legs against Madrid. Welbeck may not be scoring but he is constantly causing problems with his relentless pressing, movement, and quick passing. A player doesn't have to be scoring to positively contribute, regardless of their position.
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This. Although we don't want him morphing into Dirk Kuyt. But he's still young, he'll pick up that end product in the final third.
 
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