Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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manusteve said:
Discussing Welbeck's merits is nothing to do with last night's game nor the position we are in the Premier League.

I just don't think he's as good a player as the "English" media, for example, believe. For example, Rooney gets criticised and Welbeck isn't in the same league as Rooney when it comes to quality.

IF, as seems to be the general feeling, Lewandowski joins in the summer, it'll be interesting how Welbeck's development continues.
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He's been one of the least hyped English youngsters in recent years, considering what he's achieved.
 
Yeah he had a poor game but like others have said aside from Kagawa and Rooney, who didn't?

Still needs a goal but for himself more than anything.
 
Jaybezia said:
I'm sorry I suppose I can never say definitely but I personally think its extremely unlikely for too many reasons but your right I shouldn't deny there is a possibility.
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No you misunderstand. Not having a go at you. Be interested in football reasons why YOU think he won't be coming, e.g. money be better spent on midfield (!!!), etc.

Personally I don't think we need him because although I think Welbeck has a long way to go, Welbeck has time on his side...
 
The problem for the lad is that we have 3 other amazing strikers in the squad too...he'd be a star for most other teams which don't have such an embarrassment of riches...especially if he gets to play number 9 regularly.
 
Roon101 said:
I was sat watching the spurs game with a few spurs fans, a Chelsea fan, and an arsenal fan, and they all agreed that they would have him in their teams.

I'm a fan of his. He has all the tools to be a top player, and if we do ever let him go, I think we would regret it.

The main thing I like is that he is a true homegrown player, come right through the youth system, loves the club. He's the next in the line of the likes of o'shea, fletcher, brown, Evans etc... Along with cleverley. We rely on our home grown core, and we are excellent at bringing them through seeing as they have to play at the vey top level.

Think we should just be patient with him, as IMO he is one of the most talented we have had come through since the class of 92.
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Couldnt agree more. Similar experiences with friends who support Liverpool saying the exact same.

Its vitally important we always have local lads like Welbeck in and around our first team. Thankfully under Fergie we always will. People underestimate players like that and the sense of identity it brings a team. People ask why United can fight back from behind so often.....imo its a lot to with that extra sense of loyalty and sense of pride in the jersey. Look at Welbeck against Liverpool.
 
Decotron said:
Couldnt agree more. Similar experiences with friends who support Liverpool saying the exact same.

Its vitally important we always have local lads like Welbeck in and around our first team. Thankfully under Fergie we always will. People underestimate players like that and the sense of identity it brings a team. People ask why United can fight back from behind so often.....imo its a lot to with that extra sense of loyalty and sense of pride in the jersey. Look at Welbeck against Liverpool.
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Just look at Gerrard and Carragher at Liverpool.

Gerrard dragged Liverpool through certain games (CL final included) whilst Carragher is an average CB as shown when playing for England but for Liverpool he was been a great player for them.

Football clubs need players who know the roots of a club. Without them the club would lose all its identity.
 
PatrickP said:
Just look at Gerrard and Carragher at Liverpool.

Gerrard dragged Liverpool through certain games (CL final included) whilst Carragher is an average CB as shown when playing for England but for Liverpool he was been a great player for them.

Football clubs need players who know the roots of a club. Without them the club would lose all its identity.
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Problem is a lot of fans dont really care about that side of things. Its sad actually. The second we let go of those traditions things will change forever. they are plenty of examples out there.
 
All our young players go through this dividing opinion stage, there are those that have seen it all before and flippantly maintain that they will come good because they have seen it ALL BEFORE. Including the most successful manager ever in Britain.

Then there are those that have also seen it happen before and maintain that said player isn't of the standard required, we should buy so and so etc.
 
Stobzilla said:
All our young players go through this dividing opinion stage, there are those that have seen it all before and flippantly maintain that they will come good because they have seen it ALL BEFORE. Including the most successful manager ever in Britain.

Then there are those that have also seen it happen before and maintain that said player isn't of the standard required, we should buy so and so etc.
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It does happen to all our young players... The problem is a good percentage don't make it at a club like ours. Splitting opinion is natural: Gibson, Campbell, Fletcher, O'Shea, Foster, Rossi, Eagles, Richardson, Pique, as well as youngsters destined to get to the top: Morrison, Norwood, King, Brady... The list goes on.

Everyone on this forum wants Welbeck to emulate Giggs, Scholes or Mark Hughes and to be honest from what I've read the posts are ways in which he will best achieve his potential. I certainly haven't read "he's crap, get rid". Most of his criticism is constructive and most suggestions/comments are relatively fair (although you do get a few who go massively over the top with his performances in my opinion, but that's natural given how much everyone wants him to succeed).
 
Swaters16 said:
Who else is there to play left wing? Nani and then Valencia comes on? That's equally terrible. Danny always puts in a shift is probably SAF's thinking. That said I assume there will be a few changes against Fulham and Danny could well be one of them.
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Nani, Valencia or Giggs would have been better options.

He left Welbeck on last night and took off Kagawa which in my opinion was an awful decision. I can't understand why Ferguson sometimes picks players out of position and sticks with them despite the fact that he has more natural and better players for that position sitting on the bench. I would have left Kagawa on the left and brought on Nani.
 
Decotron said:
Couldnt agree more. Similar experiences with friends who support Liverpool saying the exact same.

Its vitally important we always have local lads like Welbeck in and around our first team. Thankfully under Fergie we always will. People underestimate players like that and the sense of identity it brings a team. People ask why United can fight back from behind so often.....imo its a lot to with that extra sense of loyalty and sense of pride in the jersey. Look at Welbeck against Liverpool.
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Nobody is disagreeing with having local players at the club. But if one of those local players is having a mare, take him off as bring on one of the 3 quality wingers you have on the bench.
 
Giggs was probably being saved for Fulham which on paper is the tougher match. I don't think Fergie even wanted to use him unless we were desperate for a goal.

Welbeck has outperformed both Valencia and Nani for differing reasons (form for Valnecia and injury for Nani). Can understand why he started ahead of both.
 
Name Changed said:
Nani, Valencia or Giggs would have been better options.

He left Welbeck on last night and took off Kagawa which in my opinion was an awful decision. I can't understand why Ferguson sometimes picks players out of position and sticks with them despite the fact that he has more natural and better players for that position sitting on the bench. I would have left Kagawa on the left and brought on Nani.
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Kagawa looked pretty tired to me. Welbeck still had some legs left even if he was having a terrible game bar a couple of lovely first touches.
 
Swaters16 said:
He scores a lot for England. Or as many as any England striker does on National team duty. Playing as a striker he can score goals.
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Thing is though, he's nowhere near clinical. He's just a very bad finisher. I'll admit he wasn't bad last night in terms of his overall performance. But he needs to start scoring.

If Chicharito played instead of him last night he would have scored. You can bet your mortgage on that.
 
He's already a class player. He'll only improve. He's a striker playing on the wing. Not getting regular starts. He works more for the team than any other attacking player. He's terrorizes defenders to regain possession and it works.

IMO to not see that is to lack understanding of the game.
 
Ronaldo's Mum said:
Thing is though, he's nowhere near clinical. He's just a very bad finisher. I'll admit he wasn't bad last night in terms of his overall performance. But he needs to start scoring.

If Chicharito played instead of him last night he would have scored. You can bet your mortgage on that.
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But then who would you have dropped, Rooney or RVP? Cause Chicharito wouldn't have played out wide.
 
Xander45 said:
But then who would you have dropped, Rooney or RVP? Cause Chicharito wouldn't have played out wide.
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Welbeck was playing more of a wide three, rather than a winger.

And Chicharito has played in a wide three, and has scored if my memory serves me right.
 
Mersault said:
He's already a class player. He'll only improve. He's a striker playing on the wing. Not getting regular starts. He works more for the team than any other attacking player. He's terrorizes defenders to regain possession and it works.

IMO to not see that is to lack understanding of the game.
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Well fecking said. It's painfully obvious how good he is and can be.
 
Ronaldo's Mum said:
Welbeck was playing more of a wide three, rather than a winger.

And Chicharito has played in a wide three, and has scored if my memory serves me right.
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Well whatever position he played, with the exception of the defence and Michael Carrick he was the player who contributed most defensively for United. Maybe Hernandez would nick a goal every other game but Welbeck provides more to the team consistently which is what you need from your wide players.
 
He's here to stay. He will improve. He will start as the support striker against Reading in the FA Cup.
 
I don't know if the comparison's been made, but positionally speaking he's playing in a very similar role to that which Gareth Bale and to a lesser extent Theo Walcott has been playing this season, and I think that role as an attacking player with a wide starting position is where his future in our team will be.

In terms of output then I think that Bale and Walcott's levels are where the bar should be set, and if he can find it in him to start matching their productivity levels as well he can rightly be considered a top class player. Right now he's a good, young player with bags of potential who offers a lot, but is lacking a bit in end product.
 
rio's upper lip said:
Anyone reckon he'll start on the wing against Real? He can put in a defensive shift if nothing else.
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Think he'll be saved for the bench. Nani and kagawa are much better options on the wing, as is Valencia if you're going for a defensive shift. With welbeck on the wing, you'll get a hardworking display but his play on e ball and attacking contribution is very erratic. You just don't know what you'll get from him going forward. Don't think he's been in good enough form to warrant starting arguably the biggest game of the season so far either.
 
bosnian_red said:
Think he'll be saved for the bench. Nani and kagawa are much better options on the wing, as is Valencia if you're going for a defensive shift. With welbeck on the wing, you'll get a hardworking display but his play on e ball and attacking contribution is very erratic. You just don't know what you'll get from him going forward. Don't think he's been in good enough form to warrant starting arguably the biggest game of the season so far either.
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Nani has been flaky all season, at least with Welbeck you know what you are going to get. I expect him to start.
 
I would have loved if Nani had shown enough to merit a starting place, but he has not. Hence it should be Kagawa on the left and Danny on the right.
Kagawa and Rooney can keep swapping places. The kind of form Rooney is in, he will be useful anywhere on the pitch.
I will be annoyed if fergie does not pick a front six of : RVP, Rooney, Danny, Kagawa, Carrick, Clev.
 
rio's upper lip said:
Anyone reckon he'll start on the wing against Real? He can put in a defensive shift if nothing else.
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I've put him in my predicted team. Fergie loves a worker in the big games, especially one with Danny's pace, height and short passing ability. He'll be on the right side helping out on Ronaldo.


With Rooney, Welbeck, Cleverley, Carrick and Jones we won't be short of people that put in a defensive shift but can also carry the ball forward. I am FROTHING for this game.
 
I'd be disappointed if we started him and Valencia. It would basically mean we're going for an all out defensive approach and then just hope RvP or Rooney can do something magical with the football on the rare occasion we get forward. I would hope at least one of Nani or Kagawa start the game.
 
Valencia and Welbeck are hardly all out defensive players, tbf.
 
Valencia has been this season. Welbeck on the wings is hardly the most productive player around either. The main reason they'll be on the pitch is for their defensive work.
 
Cina said:
Valencia has been this season. Welbeck on the wings is hardly the most productive player around either. The main reason they'll be on the pitch is for their defensive work.
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I agree with you here. Welbeck contributes to the attack quite well, but also has a tremendous work rate, and defends well. While I do not want us to play quite a conservative defending game, neither do I want us to concede a lot.
I'd like to see a mixture of the two if at all possible.
 
Cina said:
Valencia has been this season. Welbeck on the wings is hardly the most productive player around either. The main reason they'll be on the pitch is for their defensive work.
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They'll be on the pitch for their all round play, which includes more defensive protection than the other 2 not only for their defensive work.

Welbeck if he starts would more likely be on Alonso with Rooney wide on Arbeloa, i think.

Also, what has Nani done this season attacking wise ? He's had 3 crucial brainfarts defensively in the game time he has had.
 
Cevno said:
They'll be on the pitch for their all round play, which includes more defensive protection than the other 2 not only for their defensive work.

Welbeck if he starts would more likely be on Alonso with Rooney wide on Arbeloa, i think.

Also, what has Nani done this season attacking wise ? He's had 3 crucial brainfarts defensively in the game time he has had.
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Valencia has offered feck all offensively this season, that's just a simple fact. He has no goals and 3-4 assists or something mental like that. Welbeck has also been very unproductive from the wings. Fact is, putting those two on the pitch is far more because of what they'll offer defensively than what they'll offer offensively.

Obviously Nani won't offer as much defensively as either but he still puts a shift in, and he's created more in attack since his return from injury than those two have in most of the season.
 
Cina said:
I'd be disappointed if we started him and Valencia. It would basically mean we're going for an all out defensive approach and then just hope RvP or Rooney can do something magical with the football on the rare occasion we get forward. I would hope at least one of Nani or Kagawa start the game.
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Totally agree. I'd prefer to play a midfield three with Rooney on the left, Nani on the right and RVP alone up top if we were going for an all out defensive approach. This way we'd also constantly have an extra man to double up on Ronaldo. It'd also give us the versatility if we went behind to move Rooney further forward.
 
Cina said:
Valencia has offered feck all offensively this season, that's just a simple fact. He has no goals and 3-4 assists or something mental like that. Welbeck has also been very unproductive from the wings. Fact is, putting those two on the pitch is far more because of what they'll offer defensively than what they'll offer offensively.

Obviously Nani won't offer as much defensively as either but he still puts a shift in, and he's created more in attack since his return from injury than those two have in most of the season.
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Nani has 1 assist and 1 goal this season in 14 appearances while Valencia has 4 assists in 21 appearances. Hardly a major difference.

Both have been poor and below par this season. Yeah, Nani can rip Arbeloa up on his day, but then so can Valencia with Marcelo/Coentrao. I think however it is likely both won't start actually.
 
Irrespective of that goal, I fecking love Danny Welbeck. Works his balls off for every single second he wears that shirt. How any United fan could not love the guy is beyond me.
 
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