definately wasted out on the wing - I think RvP enjoys playing with him as a striker because Danny works so hard up front and will gladly play 1-2's and set him up unselfishly so I was hoping we would see them paired together at some point
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definately wasted out on the wing - I think RvP enjoys playing with him as a striker because Danny works so hard up front and will gladly play 1-2's and set him up unselfishly so I was hoping we would see them paired together at some point
Welbeck is the perfect strike partner really. RVP and Rooney both seem to love playing with him. Does amazing work getting forward and back, never selfish, quick, strong and great technique. He's not the finished article but He fits in well with allowing our better players to play their way.
I'm a Welbeck fan, and he's not a winger, but he was absolutely muck last night regardless. I'd be amazed if he starts against Fulham. I don't know why he was left on.
Who else is there to play left wing? Nani and then Valencia comes on? That's equally terrible. Danny always puts in a shift is probably SAF's thinking. That said I assume there will be a few changes against Fulham and Danny could well be one of them.
This guy divides opinion on here, some rate him highly some don't think he'll make it. Personally I'm not a fan he does work for the team, has a bit of pace and the occasional nice turn and storming run but does that warrant a starting berth up front for us?
I still maintain that a loan to a PL club, where he can start regularly as a striker, for the rest of the season won't be a bad idea. We have enough players to cover the front four positions.
I know it's not likely given how big a part he's playing in the first team but I wouldn't mind seeing him get some game time up front for the reserves just to get him back into the routine of actually scoring goals again
Nani came on and put a ball on a plate to RVP within 5 minutes, how is that "equally terrible"??
Definitely. We have plenty of players at the moment who work hard and are actually effective in the final third.
He needs to start scoring and creating to get his confidence and belief back, unfortunately I can't see it happening at United this season because I don't think we can afford to play him ahead of Hernandez, Nani, Rooney, RVP, Kagawa, Young or even Valencia, given how crucial every game is now.
Nani, Giggs and Kagawa are all better options than him on the wings and I hope we use them.
Why Fergie is persisting with him on the wing baffles me
Probably because he rates the lad very highly and wants him to get game time, but that's difficult to give up front considering our other options, so using him on the wing seems like the obvious choice given our actual wingers form this season.
Still, with Nani back, he shouldn't be on the wing, and this isn't from a biased perspective, it's because Nani is actually a fecking winger.
He's not going to get many games up front because the three in front of him in the pecking order get goals.
And it amuses me that he is England's first choice No.9. A striker that doesn't score much?
I don't understand all this, I thought he plays well, and generally does from the wing, albeit the fact it isn't his first position, he never hugs the touch line admittedly but he comes inside and has quite an effect, everyone seems so interchangeable anyway and he is a worker and tracks back, I think he is doing well.
Where is this striker that doesn't score much coming from?
Give him a season as a lone striker and I think you will review your opinion
I doubt Fergie wants him to be a traditional winger. He acquits himself well because he is a very talented player. He hasn't helped himself in terms of playing up front because he doesn't score enough and looks clumsy in front of goal.
Just look at Chicharito, scores for fun and still doesn't start most games...
Sure, tell that to Fergie. Why do you think he is 4th choice when it comes to the striking positions???
He has abundant talent but his sharpness in front of goal isn't good.
He looks like a deer in headlights whenever he is within 35 yards of goal... I'm not sure why you think he would start being prolific up front - I don't think his strike rate has ever been consistently better than 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 in any position.
He scores a lot for England. Or as many as any England striker does on National team duty. Playing as a striker he can score goals.
Don't read too much into the fact that a 24 and 22 year old strikers aren't starting most games when have you two of the worlds best also at the club. The fact Hernandes in your words scores for fun is also a testament to how high the bar is at the club, so the fact Welbeck doesn't get a lot of time upfront doesn't constitute any poor return or indication that he isn't a great striker.
He is not a natural finisher, in the sense he isn't RVP in the box however scoring comes with playing in your favored position over a period, give Welbeck games, watch what happens if two of Rooney, RVP, Hernandez get injured for a while, you will see him go on a run and start getting some goals behind him, that's what my money would be on.
The deer comments I cannot deny, however I never said prolific, I said he would start scoring, I think 6/7 out of 10 games is likely for him and that would be a very good return for a young striker, yet not prolific.
EDIT: His record for England so far has been 5 out of 11 and he hasn't played as striker for 90 mins every game, and on the international stage at that level, I wouldn't worry.
He played well, he's an absolute standout young player. Not sure why there's the negativity, but its followed Welbeck throughout his career from so called United fans.
When he was at Sunderland I was on the thread here week in week out defending him while others were saying he was shit until the fashion changed after the Chelsea, I genuinely think that for some reason people, United fans, just don't want to see the obvious talent that is staring them right in the face.
When he was at Sunderland I was on the thread here week in week out defending him while others were saying he was shit until the fashion changed after the Chelsea, I genuinely think that for some reason people, United fans, just don't want to see the obvious talent that is staring them right in the face.
Agree with what you say and just want to add the RVP wasn't a natural finisher at 22, neither was Ronaldo, and I think Messi was just beginning to look like like one. Players develop.
He was one of Englands best players in the last tournament!
Some of you are incredibly harsh on a young lad with all the tools to go right to the top. If we'd bought him you'd all be creaming your pants in anticipation of him playing
All the papers i've read this morning score him higher than most outfield players last night, yet here we are picking on Danny when the team sit 7 points clear at the top
It was the same in the past with O'Shea, Brown, Fletcher etc. Why does there always have to be a scapegoat? Why cant you all recognize that there is no such thing as perfection in football and recognize the unsung jobs that some players do to contribute to the team ethic?
I agree with most of this, but he does get stupidly over rated by the papers and media at times, getting MotM awards when he clearly hasn't been and such.
With all due respect 2 of those goals were against San Marino - lets call it 3 in 10.
Gotta score against whoever you play.
Ronaldo was scoring a lot at 22 years old as a winger.
Sorry, got the dates wrong, point was that he developed into a very natural finisher which he wasn't when we first got him.
Welbeck has not been playing as a winger, Jesus. He has been playing as part of a front three or as in the case last night a front four.
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I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and suggest it is probably something to do with us also having two of the best strikers in the world, and the one of the most clinical strikers you will ever see to play ahead of him. There's no real shame in being fouth choice behind those three strikers, he's still better than 75% of the attackers in the Premier League and he's only 22.
He'll improve with experience, and he'll get more clinical and learn when to make his runs and conserve his energy. He's going to be a fantastic player for us, that's why Ferguson is giving him as much gametime as possible.
He was the second best player on the pitch in the first half and no worse than his team mates in the second, so that sounds about right.
I was sat watching the spurs game with a few spurs fans, a Chelsea fan, and an arsenal fan, and they all agreed that they would have him in their teams.
I'm a fan of his. He has all the tools to be a top player, and if we do ever let him go, I think we would regret it.
The main thing I like is that he is a true homegrown player, come right through the youth system, loves the club. He's the next in the line of the likes of o'shea, fletcher, brown, Evans etc... Along with cleverley. We rely on our home grown core, and we are excellent at bringing them through seeing as they have to play at the vey top level.
Think we should just be patient with him, as IMO he is one of the most talented we have had come through since the class of 92.
I'm a fan of his. He has all the tools to be a top player, and if we do ever let him go, I think we would regret it.
The main thing I like is that he is a true homegrown player, come right through the youth system, loves the club. He's the next in the line of the likes of o'shea, fletcher, brown, Evans etc... Along with cleverley. We rely on our home grown core, and we are excellent at bringing them through seeing as they have to play at the vey top level.
Think we should just be patient with him, as IMO he is one of the most talented we have had come through since the class of 92.
I'm a huge fan of Welbeck, always happy to see him start.
Discussing Welbeck's merits is nothing to do with last night's game nor the position we are in the Premier League.
I just don't think he's as good a player as the "English" media, for example, believe. For example, Rooney gets criticised and Welbeck isn't in the same league as Rooney when it comes to quality.
IF, as seems to be the general feeling, Lewandowski joins in the summer, it'll be interesting how Welbeck's development continues.
Lewandowski isn't coming.
He made the joint second highest amount of tackles and interceptions for us last night. He has essentially become a defensive winger/forward this season. He does a job for us, no question. Though against Southampton at home, you rather fancy your forward players to be affecting the game in a different way.
Starts against Liverpool and ends up being MOTM, starts against Tottenham and ends up being one of our best players on the pitch, plays poor game against Southampton(as the rest of the team btw)-HE SHOULD BE LOANED TO READING!
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