Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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Decotron said:
I rated Sturridge ahead of Welbeck going back to his City days. I think hes more of a natural finisher
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Really? Why?

Sturridge takes an incredible amount of shots; as soon as he's in space anywhere within 30 yards of goal, you can tell that the thing he wants to do most is unleash one of his drives. I suppose if anything, I'd say he had more of an eye for goal from different positions than Welbeck, and certainly was a bit more direct in his attempts, but I don't think he's the better finisher.

Welbz is a very natural finisher - if he's given the right time, he picks his spot and strokes the ball in a controlled manner, whereas, from what I've seen of Sturridge, he snaps at the ball a bit more and puts more power in than placement a lot of the time. Both are good finishers, but I'd say Danny was more natural; in that he doesn't have to think about it. Instinctive, and all that.
 
Alwyn said:
Really? Why?

Sturridge takes an incredible amount of shots; as soon as he's in space anywhere within 30 yards of goal, you can tell that the thing he wants to do most is unleash one of his drives. I suppose if anything, I'd say he had more of an eye for goal from different positions than Welbeck, and certainly was a bit more direct in his attempts, but I don't think he's the better finisher.

Welbz is a very natural finisher - if he's given the right time, he picks his spot and strokes the ball in a controlled manner, whereas, from what I've seen of Sturridge, he snaps at the ball a bit more and puts more power in than placement a lot of the time. Both are good finishers, but I'd say Danny was more natural; in that he doesn't have to think about it. Instinctive, and all that.
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Fair point maybe i should have said Sturridge is a more natural goal scorer, rather than a better finisher. His record for City's academy was v impressive. Another myth about him is that he's a City product. They bought him from Coventry!!!

As I said a few times already I think Welbeck is easily a better player.
 
Edmeiste said:
I think Brwned is talking about something in the middle. Sturridge wastes some brilliant chances even when the angle is not on for him. It's poor decision making. Whether he's a goal hunter or not, he should know better. He's at the top level and you're almost excusing it.
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Of course I am excusing it. He is a young player who hasn't played that much first team football. He has the same first team experience as Welbeck. Yet unlike Welbeck he has up until recently only been employed as a center forward in his career to date.

Edmeiste said:
It's not like everyone's wishing Sturridge completely changes his game. He just needs to pick his head up more often.
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Frankly you lot are doing worse. Expecting him to perform like a seasoned winger when he has no experience of being a provider in his career to date.

Frankly there is nothing in Welbeck's game that puts him ahead of Sturridge. The only real difference between them as players in their current stage of development is Sturridge is more selfish. Yet selfishness can always be unlearned.

Edmeiste said:
Not sure what Sturridge has over Welbeck. We all know who adds more to the team and makes better decisions more often than not.
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Sturridge has always been the more natural goal scorer and always will be. Their talents are complimentary so I don't see why people love to compare them against each other.
 
Alwyn said:
Really? Why?

Sturridge takes an incredible amount of shots; as soon as he's in space anywhere within 30 yards of goal, you can tell that the thing he wants to do most is unleash one of his drives. I suppose if anything, I'd say he had more of an eye for goal from different positions than Welbeck, and certainly was a bit more direct in his attempts, but I don't think he's the better finisher.

Welbz is a very natural finisher - if he's given the right time, he picks his spot and strokes the ball in a controlled manner, whereas, from what I've seen of Sturridge, he snaps at the ball a bit more and puts more power in than placement a lot of the time. Both are good finishers, but I'd say Danny was more natural; in that he doesn't have to think about it. Instinctive, and all that.
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:confused:
 
I think Alwyn sums up the difference in front of goal very well. Danny can be a bit shot-shy and can't generate the same power with minimal back-lift that Sturridge can but he's the more natural finisher.

I've noticed that there's a consensus developing on here that he's a poor finisher. This reminds me of all the comments about him having a poor touch. These are actually two of his greatest strengths, since he's been an academy player. People are getting a mistaken impression from judging him based on a small selection of games.
 
golden_blunder said:
certainly his "offside" finish against QPR wasn't the touch or finish of a player that is a "poor finisher"
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He another great finish that was disallowed too, not long ago. Can't remember who it was against, but it was sort of a tricky angle, but he slotted it home with ease.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Of course I am excusing it. He is a young player who hasn't played that much first team football. He has the same first team experience as Welbeck. Yet unlike Welbeck he has up until recently only been employed as a center forward in his career to date.

Frankly you lot are doing worse. Expecting him to perform like a seasoned winger when he has no experience of being a provider in his career to date.

Frankly there is nothing in Welbeck's game that puts him ahead of Sturridge. The only real difference between them as players in their current stage of development is Sturridge is more selfish. Yet selfishness can always be unlearned.

Sturridge has always been the more natural goal scorer and always will be. Their talents are complimentary so I don't see why people love to compare them against each other.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree because I think some of what you're saying is a bit absurd. I think Welbeck will prove to be the better player. For England, it's a great problem to have.
 
Welbeck may be the more natural finisher of the two, but does that really matter all that much? Sturridge is the one who scores more goals, even if it does require more efforts at goal. I'd much rather have a player who takes 8 shots and scores 2 goals, as opposed to a player who takes 2 shots and scores 1 goal. Obviously, in this case, it is nowhere near as simple as that, and I'm not trying to make it out to be, but the basic point remains the same.
 
cheesy said:
Welbeck may be the more natural finisher of the two, but does that really matter all that much? Sturridge is the one who scores more goals, even if it does require more efforts at goal. I'd much rather have a player who takes 8 shots and scores 2 goals, as opposed to a player who takes 2 shots and scores 1 goal. Obviously, in this case, it is nowhere near as simple as that, and I'm not trying to make it out to be, but the basic point remains the same.
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So far this season it's 6 in 18 from Welbeck and 9 in 18 from Sturridge. So it's actually quite close.

I got those stats off wiki, so I don't know how many of those appearances were starts. Comparing goals per minute played this season would be interesting.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So far this season it's 6 in 18 from Welbeck and 9 in 18 from Sturridge. So it's actually quite close.

I got those stats off wiki, so I don't know how many of those appearances were starts. Comparing goals per minute played this season would be interesting.
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My statistics thread says:

Welbeck - 4 goals and 2 assists in the league (777 minutes), 2 goals in Champions League (116 minutes).

Six goals in 1002 minutes - all competitons.

And ESPN website says:

Sturridge - 8 goals and 2 assists in the league (818 minutes), 1 goal in League Cup (49 minutes).

Nine goals in 1135 minutes - all competitions.

It's before today's game v Tottenham.
 
Welbeck scored two goals in 116 minutes in Champions League, Sturridge didn't score a goal in 268 minutes.

Welbeck's stats in Europe are better, but four goals to nine (at the moment) in the league - it's not quite close.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So far this season it's 6 in 18 from Welbeck and 9 in 18 from Sturridge. So it's actually quite close.

I got those stats off wiki, so I don't know how many of those appearances were starts. Comparing goals per minute played this season would be interesting.
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Yeah, that would be interesting. I do think that the both of them have been getting a lot of playing time on the field, and they've often been able to last the full 90 minutes. I guess comparing goalscoring stats will never be overly reliable at this still relatively early stage of the season, and it'll be better to do so towards the end of it.
 
Danny was in shit-hot goal scoring form when he did his hamstring against Arsenal. Had he stayed fit you'd have to think he'd have kept it up. I think he has more to his game than Sturridge and Welbeck's far and away more intelligent on the pitch and his link-up play is miles better.
 
forevrared said:
Danny was in shit-hot goal scoring form when he did his hamstring against Arsenal.
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Yeah, a grand total of two.

forevrared said:
I think he has more to his game than Sturridge and Welbeck's far and away more intelligent on the pitch and his link-up play is miles better.
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I'm very much with you there. Sturridge is much more focused on goalscoring than Welbeck. The fact he is quite versatile means Welbeck is still very much learning how to combine all his abilities together.
 
I'm hoping that we do go with him from the start on Saturday. Obviously some may want to see a partnership of Berbatov and Rooney after Berbatov's sublime little goal, but Welbeck was one of our best players on the park. He's earned another start on Saturday.
 
evra said:
When did people start calling him "Beck"?
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When you say "people" do you really mean "Boss"??

Well, he calls fecking Robinho "Robson", so what the feck do you expect.

Feel bad for Danny after today, he didn't even play and apparently became a worse player. (after a cracking last away game an' all).
 
Sharky7 said:
When you say "people" do you really mean "Boss"??

Well, he calls fecking Robinho "Robson", so what the feck do you expect.

Feel bad for Danny after today, he didn't even play and apparently became a worse player. (after a cracking last away game an' all).
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He is the main culprit but I didn't see anyone calling him up on it, this concerned me.
 
Sharky7 said:
When you say "people" do you really mean "Boss"??

Well, he calls fecking Robinho "Robson", so what the feck do you expect.

Feel bad for Danny after today, he didn't even play and apparently became a worse player. (after a cracking last away game an' all).
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Heh? Such drama - the fact he was rested actually indicates his importance to us. Today had the feeling of a Carling Cup team - I kept imagining Mickey Owen cursing his luck not being available today.

Welbeck is just as important as ever and all Berbatov has done is to bring a smile to the supporter's faces and re-emphasise what a quality option he still is. We've room for them and need them both.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Heh? Such drama - the fact he was rested actually indicates his importance to us. Today had the feeling of a Carling Cup team - I kept imagining Mickey Owen cursing his luck not being available today.

Welbeck is just as important as ever and all Berbatov has done is to bring a smile to the supporter's faces and re-emphasise what a quality option he still is. We've room for them and need them both.
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:eek: Completely forgot he is part of our team
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Heh? Such drama - the fact he was rested actually indicates his importance to us. Today had the feeling of a Carling Cup team - I kept imagining Mickey Owen cursing his luck not being available today.

Welbeck is just as important as ever and all Berbatov has done is to bring a smile to the supporter's faces and re-emphasise what a quality option he still is. We've room for them and need them both.
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It was tongue in cheek of course.

Great post by the way Baldwin, bang on, especially the Owen part, he'd have loved today.
 
He worked his arse off today, he's really starting to become an important player for us
 
Thought he did very well first half gives us more mobility and retains the ball better than Berbatov or Hernandez for me.

And that finish was outstanding.
 
Thought he did very well first half gives us more mobility and retains the ball better than Berbatov or Hernandez for me.

And that finish was outstanding.
 
It makes such a difference having some movement up front, changing the opposition's defensive shape- he's going to become some player.

If he was at another (lesser) club, he'd be linked with all the top clubs in Europe - a bit of a way to go but he's got a great future.
 
Had a good first half today and gave plenty of movement in the second, we just hardly ever found him. Looking more and more like a top player.
 
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