Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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If he reminds me of Wayne Rooney, can we call him The Black White Pele?
 
I love this kid, pure passion and heart, and the 2nd happiest person in the world behind Chicharito. Thank god we have the surly Rooney and flatline Berbatov balance out the mood.

He's got so much to his game, but he doesn't skip the important part of assists and goals. In another year or two, injury permitting, he'll be an absolute star.

If Jones brain isn't damaged and Cleverley's ankle ever gets better, the future will be bright.
 
I love this kid, pure passion and heart, and the 2nd happiest person in the world behind Chicharito. Thank god we have the surly Rooney and flatline Berbatov balance out the mood.

He's got so much to his game, but he doesn't skip the important part of assists and goals. In another year or two, injury permitting, he'll be an absolute star.

If Jones brain isn't damaged and Cleverley's ankle ever gets better, the future will be bright.

Agree with all that! Just want to add that part of the reason why I've been fond of Welbeck ever since he first appeared in the first team is that coupled with his attributes and passion and joy, he seems to have this unshakable belief in himself. Many confused it with arrogance in the early days, but I think it's clear now it's just a very healthy sense of self-belief, and it comes across in how he plays as well.
 
He should be. He is a striker.

Well no, at the moment he's a wide player and he's wasteful because he doesn't provide often enough for his team-mates. When he does he generally does pick out his man quite well which makes the selfishness all the more frustrating. I think Welbeck's still on the other end of the scale and is too unselfish, and that's been exacerbated further because he's lacking a bit of confidence in front of goal. I think it's easier to sort out Welbeck's problem than Sturridge's.
 
I think he must be the quickest player in the team now. He is an absolute beast of a player. Quick, strong and with sound technique. First team player on merit now and can only get better with experience.
 
One other thing, I think we may see him play more away games rather than Hernandez. Think his pace and hold-up play suits us better away from home, whereas Hernandez work in the box suit us better at home when the opposition sit back.
 
In much the same way that the team dynamic changed when we dropped Ruud for Saha, i reckon the team looks much more mobile and fluent with Welbeck in it. His movement is top drawer
 
Well no, at the moment he's a wide player and he's wasteful because he doesn't provide often enough for his team-mates.
Correction. He is a striker being played out of position as a wide player. For you to expect him to suddenly switch from being a hunter of goals to a provider after less than even half a season in the role is unfair. It will take time. It hasn't dawned on him yet that he has a duty to provide chances for his team mates in the role he is currently employed in. The only role he will ever get a chance in to establish himself in the Chelsea first team. But the penny will drop eventually. It's not like he is totally incapable of creating things.

..... I think it's easier to sort out Welbeck's problem than Sturridge's.
After you having witnessed Ronaldo and Nani's development. I find it very strange you would say that.
 
In much the same way that the team dynamic changed when we dropped Ruud for Saha, i reckon the team looks much more mobile and fluent with Welbeck in it. His movement is top drawer

The volume of chances we create when Welbeck in the team is astounding. He needs to tidy up his own finishing but we look a much more potent team.
 
One other thing, I think we may see him play more away games rather than Hernandez. Think his pace and hold-up play suits us better away from home, whereas Hernandez work in the box suit us better at home when the opposition sit back.

Really? If anything, I think the opposite. Hernandez has the speed and clinicality (word?) to take advantage of the opponents highline away from home, whereas Welbeck has the close control and technique to cut through the deep defences with link up play.
 
I think he must be the quickest player in the team now. He is an absolute beast of a player. Quick, strong and with sound technique. First team player on merit now and can only get better with experience.

I think its the other way around. Chicha makes our build up play suffer, which makes him less suited to a home game where we have to break the opposition down. Hes more suited to away games where the opposition has a go at us leaving them less compact and more vulnerable to hitting them on the counter.
 
If he continues to put his head down and work hard there's no stopping this lad.

Has goals in him, works hard for the team even when he's not playing well and just seems to love playing the game. Could improve his first touch and awareness but I suspect that will come with age. The loan really worked wonders for him, and hopefully Kiko can go out and do the same thing after the winter transfer opens.
 
Correction. He is a striker being played out of position as a wide player. For you to expect him to suddenly switch from being a hunter of goals to a provider after less than even half a season in the role is unfair. It will take time. It hasn't dawned on him yet that he has a duty to provide chances for his team mates in the role he is currently employed in. The only role he will ever get a chance in to establish himself in the Chelsea first team. But the penny will drop eventually. It's not like he is totally incapable of creating things.

After you having witnessed Ronaldo and Nani's development. I find it very strange you would say that.

I think Brwned is talking about something in the middle. Sturridge wastes some brilliant chances even when the angle is not on for him. It's poor decision making. Whether he's a goal hunter or not, he should know better. He's at the top level and you're almost excusing it. It's not like everyone's wishing Sturridge completely changes his game. He just needs to pick his head up more often.

We've seen him create. The thing is finding the balance between making a selfish decision and going for goal versus finding a teammate. It's not the easiest balance hence why people tend to rate Danny more. He seems to know what to do with the ball in most situations and to show such good decision making is a bit rare to see. You can see the understanding and purpose in his game much better than with Sturridge. Both of them have the potential to be top players but I think at the moment Welbeck is ahead of Sturridge.

Not sure what Sturridge has over Welbeck. We all know who adds more to the team and makes better decisions more often than not.
 
There's not that much between Sturridge and Welbeck.

We obviously overrate our own lad, but in reality there's not that much to choose from between the two at the moment.
 
I think its the other way around. Chicha makes our build up play suffer, which makes him less suited to a home game where we have to break the opposition down. Hes more suited to away games where the opposition has a go at us leaving them less compact and more vulnerable to hitting them on the counter.

I think suffer is a bit harsh (think bolton away this season). I do agree he's more suited to away fixtures provided the opposition has a right go at us. Based on our last two games, I think we're restoring a bit of the fear factor. The way teams have sat off us is tremendous. It's part of why we score so early. They just dont seem at the races. We take advantage and by then we're out of sight.

It was criminally obvious against Wolves. Failing to close down Rooney and it wasn't until the second half that they started doing so. Why wasn't it so hard to do before? Fulham did the same thing and shot themselves in the foot. As a result, Rooney punished them.
 
I love Welbeck, but i think Sturridge is a better player at this moment in time.
 
I'm glad we've got players like Hernández and Berbatov on the bench, but on current form, Welbeck is class above them.

On form, perhaps. Because Welbeck is on form, Berbatov hasn't been playing and Hernandez has had injures which has disrupted his form.

Don't get too carried away, he is not a class above either yet. Hernandez is one of the forwards in the league and a cut above almost anyone for movement and finishing.

But I am a big Welbeck fan and he's really impressing.

He needs to keep in the goals to go to the Euros. His battle with Sturrdidge for a place in the England squad (probably) is a nice little subplot to the season.

Whilst I hope that drives Welbeck on (as if staying in the United side isn't drive and incentive enough), I think if the squad was to be announced next week then both should go. Quite who starts is the only question.

Saha comparisons are interesting because for me Welbeck at 21 is a far superior player than Saha was at the same age at Newcastle.

Unquestionably, but I think the comparisons are of the Saha we saw at United and Fulham, not when he was 21. Which really just highlights how mature Welbeck has become in his performances.

The season long loan to Sunderland looks better and better with every game he plays for United.
 
They're different and hard to compare. Sturridge is more direct, has a better eye for goal and is probably capable of that one bit of magic that can win you a game.

Welbeck is stronger and more of a physical threat, his build up play and first touch are much better and overall his footballing brain is superior. He just hasn't got that ruthlessness just yet.

They'd both compliment each other if they play on either wing for England, with Rooney playing upfront and dropping deep. :drool:
 
I rated Sturridge ahead of Welbeck going back to his City days. I think hes more of a natural finisher but other than that Welbeck is the better player currently. More mature with a far better appreciation of the game generally.
 
They're different and hard to compare. Sturridge is more direct, has a better eye for goal and is probably capable of that one bit of magic that can win you a game.

Welbeck is stronger and more of a physical threat, his build up play and first touch are much better and overall his footballing brain is superior. He just hasn't got that ruthlessness just yet.

They'd both compliment each other if they play on either wing for England, with Rooney playing upfront and dropping deep. :drool:

Good post and pretty much on the money, I think.

But I see Capello favouring Young and Walcott out wide for England.
 
you know i wasn't even considering that. just felt there was absolutely no reason to factor that in

Well, now you know.

To be serious, whilst I rate Welbeck higher than Sturridge it's not exactly surprising that some rate Sturridge higher. He's had a very good 12 months during which time he's put in some really flashy performances and scored a lot of goals.
 
I think most neutrals would rate Sturridge higher than Welbeck. I would say they are around the same level talent-wise, but Sturridge is a bit further along his progression. Both will be great players. Sturridge needs to work on his decision making and become less selfish. Welbeck could be more clinical in front of goal.
 
Well, now you know.

To be serious, whilst I rate Welbeck higher than Sturridge it's not exactly surprising that some rate Sturridge higher. He's had a very good 12 months during which time he's put in some really flashy performances and scored a lot of goals.

It seems that if you have flashy performances, that's enough to get you rated. Even when you have a solid performance and contribute well to the team, it's not enough unless you score goal or create an assist.

Lampard's performances against City wasn't great but just by him scoring the penalty he grabbed the headlines. Guess that's all it takes.
 
It seems that if you have flashy performances, that's enough to get you rated. Even when you have a solid performance and contribute well to the team, it's not enough unless you score goal or create an assist.

Lampard's performances against City wasn't great but just by him scoring the penalty he grabbed the headlines. Guess that's all it takes.

That's the way it is and always will be. Most people are influenced by goals, highlights on MotD and media hype at the end of the day.

You won't find many football fans (other than United fans) that rate Welbeck above Sturridge.
 
That's the way it is and always will be. Most people are influenced by goals, highlights on MotD and media hype at the end of the day.

You won't find many football fans (other than United fans) that rate Welbeck above Sturridge.

It makes sense. People are content with relying on the opinion of pundits and MOTD highlights and analysis as you say.

It's like sound bites on your daily news channel.
 
Why does he keep getting compared with Sturridge and unanimously branded the weaker player? Different players and Sturridge is one year older and has more experience. There's much more to come from Welbeck in the future seeing as he stays fit and keeps getting games.
 
He is getting better and better. I think he is fast becoming the best forward partner for Rooney.
 
Why does he keep getting compared with Sturridge and unanimously branded the weaker player? Different players and Sturridge is one year older and has more experience. There's much more to come from Welbeck in the future seeing as he stays fit and keeps getting games.

Because they're both young English strikers breaking through at similar times.

It's an obvious and inevitable comparison.
 
Because they're both young English strikers breaking through at similar times.

It's an obvious and inevitable comparison.

the comparison is inevitable. Unanimously branding him the inferior player is not. Type of thing you might hear from rival fans, who are less familiar with what he's capable of. Bit strange to see so many United fans with the same opinion. Can only presume they've paid a bit less attention to the rate at which he's improving.
 
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