Reading fans have been discussing this online since Jan 4th, apparently.
I wonder, if true, if this means that we're bringing someone in?
I wonder, if true, if this means that we're bringing someone in?
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Seriously?
Is there a single young player at the club that you do rate? Keeps better players out of the team? There's so much wrong with this that I struggle to know where to start to be honest.
He's a 22 year old lad that's a season or so into a very very promising career. There's nothing wrong with playing on the wing for his development and he does a bloody good job there. Suggesting that Stuart fecking Downing looks like Messi in comparison is bollocks of the highest order.
I'm sorry mate, but I think you're trollling.
I rate Welbeck, he's obviously very promising and could go on to be very good, but in 2013 he's inferior to Hernandez, Rooney and van Persie, I think all but his biggest fanboys would admit that. His best chances of becoming very good are by playing a lot of football, and if he can do that without harming our chances of winning trophies by getting a place in the team which he does not deserve on the strength of his talents at the moment then great.
Maybe Messi was the wrong comparison, Beckham in his prime would be better. Downing actually gets the ball into the box when he's playing on the wing rather than just running aimlessly with it.
If we're bringing someone in then I'd say it's curtains for him, the move to Reading would be putting him in the show window, I don't really see the need either. We have to shoehorn the 4th choice striker into the team in other positions in order to give him match time, it's a position we so rarely actually need that it can be filled by a youth player.
He won't be going anywhere. On loan or otherwise.
That is probably what classes as a source close to the club by 'The Daily Mail' standards.
Its actually shocking the way some people see the game....its getting worse as well.
Unless we bring someone in, Welbeck should not be going anywhere.
Jesus Christ, that's such a ridiculous comment.
In any other field of journalism, no matter how morally bankrupt (and they pretty much all are), you'd never get away with something like this. Yet in football journalism they do it all the fecking time, it's incredible.
Not least when you consider that despite being out of position, Danny's still a more productive winger than Downing.
So Fergie bangs on about how great it is to have four great strikers, like 99, so the next logical move is that we get rid of one?!
Bollocks!
If we are going all out for the league and both cups, we will definately need him.
As for it needing a massive injury crisis to miss him...
If RVP and Rooney were injured/suspended, would a frontline of Kagawa and Hernandez have Europe running scared?
Bollocks!
If we are going all out for the league and both cups, we will definately need him.
As for it needing a massive injury crisis to miss him...
If RVP and Rooney were injured/suspended, would a frontline of Kagawa and Hernandez have Europe running scared?
No. Do you think Europe is going to be running scared of Kagawa/Hernandez and Welbeck?
So playing Welbeck harms our chances of winning trophies?
Playing Welbeck ahead of Nani, Young, Valencia, van Persie, Hernandez, Rooney or Kagawa makes the team worse, making the team worse hinders our chances of winning matches, and as a result, trophies.
It's not about Europe being scared, it's about having the depth to cope with the schedule...to ensure we can fight on all fronts.
Nonsense. It was just last season when Welbeck had displaced Hernandez with excellent performances, made it to the England squad and had a good Euros. If Fergie plays him it's because he thinks he can make a difference and win us the game.
cant believe anyone actually buys into this bs after the last season and a half that Danny has had at United!
There is no way United will let him go on loan
There is no way United will let him go on loan
God theres some fecking Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime in this thread. I will be dismayed if Welbeck is allowed to leave and shocked too. Unless Fergie thinks Kagawa belongs in the striker rotation and wants Welbeck to have meaningful games BUT if we lose someone to injury it weakens us so I don't understand why he would take that chance.
Who do we bring on to turn around a game/shake things up/replace a tired forward if we go to 3 strikers and Kagawa?
You ignored where I mentioned Fergie's views on having four strikers(in which he names Welbeck).
Nani - injured
Young - been injured
Valencia- woefully out of form
Rooney - injured and inconsistent
Hernandez - a poacher and less of a team influence
Kagawa - been injured and yet to shine
The list of players and their impact, Hernandez apart, shows exactly why we need Welbeck.
We already have the depth to cope with the schedule. We won the European Double in 2008 with 3 strikers (and one of them was Saha) with the League going down to the last game, we went to 4 Finals and an additional semi final in 2008/09 with 3 strikers and won the League going down to the second last game with incredible consistency.
The absolute maximum number of games we're going to play this season is another 17 in the League, 7 in the Champions League, and another 9 in the FA Cup, so 33 altogether. The CL estimate assumes we reach the Final, the FA Cup estimate assumes drawing every first match of each round and reaching the Final. If you assume we're going to play 4-4-1-1 in every game then Kagawa should really be included as a striker, because he can play in partnership with any of the others, and all of them can play with each other. We have plenty of options with or without Welbeck.
Which of Nani, Young, Valencia, Rooney, Hernandez, van Persie or Kagawa do you think Welbeck is better than in their position?
He's not going anywhere, and if he does it'll be a big fecking mistake.
If we go to 3 strikers and Kagawa and play 4-4-1-1 I imagine we bring on the striker or strikers who are sat on the bench. If we're playing a diamond I imagine we'd shake things up by bringing on a winger or two to alter the shape of the game. If you consider Kagawa as one of the centre forwards then we already have 4 strikers, I'm not sure where the idea of 4 strikers being so important comes from in any case, I know it worked in the Treble year, but a lot of things worked in the Treble year that we don't do now.
I like how you talk about inconsistent and out of form strikers and say that's the reason we need a striker/inside forward who has scored one goal in 20 appearances.
Remind us which team you support again KttW?
I've no idea where the feck this is coming from. I want Welbeck to go out on loan because it's better for his development and because it's better for United.
(which I don't)
Are you fecking word-blind? Fergie. As mentioned a few times.
Rooney is the only striker where I mention inconsistent. Injuries were mentioned more, but you can ignore that.
You write as though only eleven players are ever involved.
Frankly, you are the most annoying cnut ever to appear on a forum.
Are you Piers Morgan?
Exactly - it's the whole point of having a large squad full of class players.
With the games coming thick and fast in the second half of the season you don't want to be loaning him out. I mean one injury to one of our main strikers and we will already be regretting sending him out on loan. Madness.
Just last season Sir Alex clearly thought he was a better option to start a majority of games than Hernandez. He's definitely better than Valencia in his current form, and most of the time he is at least as good as Young (though Young has improved recently).
Well right now, I'd take Welbeck ahead of Nani (Injured), Rooney (injured), kagawa (still settling in), Valencia (terrible form) and as much as I love Hernandez I'd start with Welbeck for the Liverpool game.
You proper fecked that up!Well you should. If we're playing 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 Kagawa is going to be one of the front 2, Welbeck excepted it means we have 4 players for two positions, much like we did in 1999.
To be fair Ferguson always says he's happy with his squad and talks it up regardless.
You also forgot to mention Robin van Persie. He's pretty consistent. How much game time do you think Welbeck's going to get ahead of him, Rooney, Hernandez and Kagawa if he stays?
Not at all, I've listed several contingencies that include Welbeck and as many as two injuries to van Persie, Rooney and Hernandez.
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Don't you think it's unfair on Welbeck to make him wait until we have injuries to all 3 of our main strikers before he gets a consistent run in the team?
Yeah, and this season Hernandez has been far better than him. Young and Valencia are better than Welbeck on the wing even in their worst form. Young in particular has been far better than Welbeck has ever been on the wing recently.
What about in a couple of weeks when those players are fit and when Valencia regains form? Do you just leave him to stagnate on the bench? I can't understand favouring him over Hernandez, Hernandez's form has been far far better this season.
So Kagawa is a centre forward now, yeah?
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Shocker.
I'm inclined to agree with you, I think Chico coming off the bench for 20-25 mins is almost guaranteed a goal.
Covering your bases there I see.
Kagawa is not a striker (the point you dispute) He's an attacking midfielder
But he has said he now has four strikers, like 99. Have I mis-quoted him?
Why would I mention someone who has not been injured/out of form, in a list of players who have been injured/out of form?
And this leaves us short of subs/rotation as mentioned by many.
Nani is very patchy when coming back from injury, so is Rooney. valencia has been terrible for most of the season and there's nothing to suggest he's going to get better any time soon. Hernanez is helped by the fact that he is limited. He can only play as a CF and that's where he always plays. Welbeck's versatility works against him to some degree.
As for why I would start him over Hernandez, he's technically better, better passer and keeps the ball better and there's a lot more fluidity with him in the side. We can always bring on Hernandez if we need the goals
Wait some people want us to sell him?
Kie, shut the feck up, Kagawa isn't a centre forward.
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