Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

[MrMojo]

Do you actually think he's saying reasonable things or are you just saying that to act like the 'voice of impartial reason'?

You know what his response was to my stats about how productive our wide players have been in the league? To say 'Evra and Evans both have 4 goals, so what?' Very reasonable there.

Anyway, this thread is about Welbeck, not Lynk or me or you. So let's agree to get back on topic.

I think his way of arguing has been reasonable, even if I still disagree. I have to say I didnt really get your winger point. He is a centre forward playing on the wing, so you'd expect him to bring more of a goal threat to that role than say Valencia. So I don't think it's much of a comarison.

Like you say, this is derailing a bit now, so I'll leave my impartial reasoning there.

 

[Drainy]

I have to say I didnt really get your winger point. He is a centre forward playing on the wing, so you'd expect him to bring more of a goal threat to that role than say Valencia. So I don't think it's much of a comarison.

A winger is expected to maintain the width to stretch defences and create space for the more central player, that means they play further from the goal and are less likely to get into good goalscoring positions. Sure Welbeck is a better finisher than Valencia but it's about getting into positions.

It was the same when Rooney was younger and he was asked to play wide or as an attacking midfielder, he got more assists and fewer goals.

 

[MrMojo]

A winger is expected to maintain the width to stretch defences and create space for the more central player, that means they play further from the goal and are less likely to get into good goalscoring positions. Sure Welbeck is a better finisher than Valencia but it's about getting into positions.

It was the same when Rooney was younger and he was asked to play wide or as an attacking midfielder, he got more assists and fewer goals.

Sure it will affect his goal tally, but you'd still expect him to be more of a goal threat than Valencia or Young. That's why I didn't think it was much of a comparison, along with the fact he has actually played centre forward as well.

 

[Lynk]

Do you actually think he's saying reasonable things or are you just saying that to act like the 'voice of impartial reason'?

You know what his response was to my stats about how productive our wide players have been in the league? To say 'Evra and Evans both have 4 goals, so what?' Very reasonable there.

Anyway, this thread is about Welbeck, not Lynk or me or you.

So says the guy who spent the whole last page talking about me rather than Welbeck.

 

[Drainy]

And he has, he has scored while Valencia and Young haven't...

He hasn't spent much time at all as a centreforward, he's played the vast majority as a left winger, and then some time shared between the attacking midfielder position and very rarely as a striker- I doubt he has played the no9 role in any game thats actually meant anything this season other than maybe the Chelsea away league cup match.

If you can't remember what happened to Wayne Rooney's goalscoring when he was asked to sacrifice for the team in his early twenties you have a very short memory.- and Rooney is a more talented player than Welbeck. Google Wayne Rooney goal drought, see if it reminds you.

Football is a complex game, being a striker playing out of position doesn't grant you the right to be a goalscoring winger or attacking midfielder- You have to play the role you are given or else the team suffers.

 

[MrMojo]

And he has, he has scored while Valencia and Young haven't...

He hasn't spent much time at all as a centreforward, he's played the vast majority as a left winger, and then some time shared between the attacking midfielder position and very rarely as a striker- I doubt he has played the no9 role in any game thats actually meant anything this season other than maybe the Chelsea away league cup match.

If you can't remember what happened to Wayne Rooney's goalscoring when he was asked to sacrifice for the team in his early twenties you have a very short memory.- and Rooney is a more talented player than Welbeck. Google Wayne Rooney goal drought, see if it reminds you.

Football is a complex game, being a striker playing out of position doesn't grant you the right to be a goalscoring winger or attacking midfielder- You have to play the role you are given or else the team suffers.

Well yeah, one. That's not much of an argument.

Rooney's never scored less than 16, his figures in any position were pretty similar until he matured and had that 34 goal season playing as the lone striker. Again I don't really see it as much of a comparison because they're on different levels.

 

[Drainy]

So your view is that a young player playing out of position, should be far more productive than experienced players playing in their preferred positions... it's not all about technical ability, it's about having the experience to know what runs to make and how to time them- playing wide or deeper is not the same as leading the line- no matter how good your finishing is- if you aren't making the right runs you won't score unless you hit an absolute rocket from distance. A centre forward playing on the wing doesn't have a god given right to score more goals than a winger.

Here's something for you, comparisons are never perfect. You have to find best matches you can. Welbeck hasn't played much as a striker, he's been playing as a winger- his productivity should be compared to other wingers this season.

The view I was attempting to disprove is that he isn't good enough for United- so I'm comparing his output to other players at United playing in the position he's been playing in- and he is just as productive (more so if you consider that he's been mostly used as a sub).

My Rooney point is that even great centreforwards lose their goalscoring touch when they play deeper, Welbeck is a very good one. Rooney is famous for having various goal droughts when he's played deeper. I'm not comparing their levels- just using Rooney as an example of a striker who has also played out wide and suffered in goalscoring form.

If you don't get it, you are too dense to ever get it and I give up.

 

[MrMojo]

So your view is that a young player playing out of position, should be far more productive than experienced players playing in their preferred positions... it's not all about technical ability, it's about having the experience to know what runs to make and how to time them- playing wide or deeper is not the same as leading the line- no matter how good your finishing is- if you aren't making the right runs you won't score unless you hit an absolute rocket from distance. A centre forward playing on the wing doesn't have a god given right to score more goals than a winger.

Here's something for you, comparisons are never perfect. You have to find best matches you can. Welbeck hasn't played much as a striker, he's been playing as a winger- his productivity should be compared to other wingers this season.

The view I was attempting to disprove is that he isn't good enough for United- so I'm comparing his output to other players at United playing in the position he's been playing in- and he is just as productive (more so if you consider that he's been mostly used as a sub).

My Rooney point is that even great centreforwards lose their goalscoring touch when they play deeper, Welbeck is a very good one. Rooney is famous for having various goal droughts when he's played deeper. I'm not comparing their levels- just using Rooney as an example of a striker who has also played out wide and suffered in goalscoring form.

If you don't get it, you are too dense to ever get it and I give up.

This is what I mean, we've conversed a couple of times and because we don't agree you've had enough and decided its because I'm dense. Toys out of the pram.

Your first sentence, where did you get that from. I said Welbeck should be more of a goal threat from wide positions than Valencia for example, where did you get 'far more productive from.'

Your Rooney comparison just doesn't work, simply because his goals didn't dry up by playing out wide. I'm not saying that means anything in relation to Welbeck because like I said, there's no real comparison.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

Welbeck is already a very good player. I'm not sure why he is being slated at all. We need to all get behind him. I want him to make it here badly. He has the right attitude and work rate and skill. He just needs goals. It's too bad that young and talented players get unfairly compared to this player and that player.

Well When Rooney was young he was actually a pretty shit finisher. Sure he scored screamers but I remember the Ruud and Saha days and Rooney would get many chances and often blast over or blast into the chest of keepers on 1 on 1's.

And now look at Rooney's finishing - feckin brilliant.

Danny will get there. Have faith. Manchester lad that obviously loves the club. The talent and drive is there for all to see.

 

[ciderman9000000]

I answered your three questions, Lynk, but you neglected to reply.

Simple questions.

1. Why do you consider Welbeck a fantastic player?
2. And has he been good enough this season? Yes or No?
3. Does he have the tools to be a fantastic forward, aside from his dribbling?

1. Danny Welbeck is a fantastic player because at twenty-two years old he's established himself as a back-up striker in one of the world's greatest and most successful football teams; during that time he has also established himself as a regular England international, an important member of the squad. There isn't a football club in England who wouldn't happily welcome Welbeck into their squad tomorrow if he were available at a price which they could afford. He's achieved all this by not being your typical striker, his attributes in the defensive phase being one of his greatest strengths; regularly hassling and dispossessing opponents in their own defensive half, Welbeck creates chances from positions whereby his team seem to be on the back foot. His pace, close control, physicality – not easily dispossessed himself – and ability to drive the ball forward when in possession are all assets to his game which he uses to great effect. Though he's currently lacking a degree composure in front of goal, he's demonstrated in the past that he has the ability to find the top corner from distance, as well as that to improvise in tight situations. He's a dedicated, well disciplined, hard-working team player with a professional demeanour and an attitude towards self improvement through patience and determination, well equipped mentally to wait for his chances and learn from his mistakes. There can be no doubt that Danny Welbeck is a fantastic young player.

2. He's been good enough this season; complaints about him are immature and indicative of a lack of understanding of the game. The only thing lacking from his game this season has been goals, but then he's not often played as a center forward for United, nor had many 90min games. It's difficult for a fourth choice striker to make a mark on any team, yet despite the recent barren spell – one which has been unfairly exaggerated by misfortune and at times fantastic goalkeeping – Danny has demonstrated his worth to the team in other areas. He's made no great leaps and bounds forward in the last four months, but neither has he regressed as a player; since the signing of RvP he's finding game-time in his preferred position predictably difficult to come by, but nevertheless his future at United would seem to be secure – a feat rarely achieved by academy graduates – and with time on his hands and an attitude to take advantage of the fact, even his harshest critics will in all likelihood be well aware of his worth as a player come May.

3. (See 1.)

Would you care to respond...

 

[Drainy]

Well ok then- let's compare Valencia and Welbeck in the league then.

Apps: Valencia 15 (1 as a sub) Welbeck 15 (8 as a sub)
Shots: Valencia 10 (0.7 per game) Welbeck 23 (1.5 per game)
Goals: Valencia 0 Welbeck 1
Pass rate: Valencia 85.7% Welbeck 88.5%
Key Passes: Valencia 24 (1.6 per game) Welbeck 12 (0.8 per game)
Assists: Valencia 4 Welbeck 3
Dribbles: Valencia 25 (1.7 per game) Welbeck 8 (0.5 per game)
Crosses: Valencia 19/99 Welbeck 3/4

So there you have it. Welbeck plays like a centre forward playing out wide, providing more 'goal threat'- Valencia plays like a winger 'more dribble and cross'. GG

Rooney's goals often dry up when he's asked to drop deep to help the team out- he has had numerous goal droughts in his career often attributed to this. It's not rocket science. If it takes more effort and skill to get into a goalscoring position from one part of the pitch than it does another then you are likely to score fewer goals in said position.

I'm demonstrating an example of position changes impacting goalscoring- not giving a direct comparison with Welbeck FFS

 

[MrMojo]

Well ok then- let's compare Valencia and Welbeck in the league then.

Apps: Valencia 15 (1 as a sub) Welbeck 15 (8 as a sub)
Shots: Valencia 10 (0.7 per game) Welbeck 23 (1.5 per game)
Goals: Valencia 0 Welbeck 1
Pass rate: Valencia 85.7% Welbeck 88.5%
Key Passes: Valencia 24 (1.6 per game) Welbeck 12 (0.8 per game)
Assists: Valencia 4 Welbeck 3
Dribbles: Valencia 25 (1.7 per game) Welbeck 8 (0.5 per game)
Crosses: Valencia 19/99 Welbeck 3/4

So there you have it. Welbeck plays like a centre forward playing out wide, providing more 'goal threat'- Valencia plays like a winger 'more dribble and cross'. GG

Rooney's goals often dry up when he's asked to drop deep to help the team out- he has had numerous goal droughts in his career often attributed to this. It's not rocket science. If it takes more effort and skill to get into a goalscoring position from one part of the pitch than it does another then you are likely to score fewer goals in said position.

I'm demonstrating an example of position changes impacting goalscoring- got giving a direct comparison with Welbeck FFS

Well that's all I said, he should provide more of a goal threat. It's you who is arguing the opposite.

I'm leaving the Rooney comparison, as much as you think you're using it to show how playing out wide affects goals, you won't actually consider the fact that Rooney's goals didn't dry up whilst playing wide. Like I said, it's a flawed comparison anyway given they're on a different level to each other.

 

[Drainy]

Well that's all I said, he should provide more of a goal threat. It's you who is arguing the opposite.

I'm saying they are comparable in terms of output. Goals and assists.

You said it is pointless to compare Welbeck to our wingers because he is a striker playing out wide. He offers as much defensively as them and is as productive as them, playing in the same positions as them- so they are comparable.

He doesn't score as many goals as he used to (or as same people say- he should do). He is getting shots on goal- presumably because he is having to shoot from further out and strike at more difficult chances since he's playing wider. As he gains more experience and learns the position he should be able to craft better opportunities for himself.

 

[MrMojo]

I'm saying they are comparable in terms of output. Goals and assists.

You said it is pointless to compare Welbeck to our wingers because he is a striker playing out wide. He offers as much defensively as them and is as productive as them, playing in the same positions as them- so they are comparable.

He doesn't score as many goals as he used to (or as same people say- he should do). He is getting shots on goal- presumably because he is having to shoot from further out and strike at more difficult chances since he's playing wider. As he gains more experience and learns the position he should be able to craft better opportunities for himself.

I said its not much of a comparison,not pointless because as I mentioned before, I agree that playing wide will obviously affect how many he will score. I only disagree that it's responsible for him just getting the one, I think there's more to it than that.

The stats you brought up back my argument surely, that he plays the wide role differently, you've just agreed to that in saying Valencia was more of a dribbler etc. That's why I don't think he should only be expected to get the same goals as our traditional wingers.

 

[Drainy]

This season he has 1 goal in 23 appearances. Let's not kid ourselves, that's a terrible return for an attacking player in a team as good as ours. I'm judging him without the rose tinted specs of some, some who'll excuse his poor form because he's a "local lad who loves the club". Well guess what? So are most of the posters on this forum. Being local shouldn't exclude you from criticism.

I said its not much of a comparison,not pointless because as I mentioned before, I agree that playing wide will obviously affect how many he will score. I only disagree that it's responsible for him just getting the one, I think there's more to it than that.

The stats you brought up back my argument surely, that he plays the wide role differently, you've just agreed to that in saying Valencia was more of a dribbler etc. That's why I don't think he should only be expected to get the same goals as our traditional wingers.

Just to remind you what the context was.

I was showing that the players playing in the same position as Welbeck for United had scored around the same number of goals or less and got the similar numbers of assists.

Not to show that Welbeck is a classic flying winger beating 3 men and getting a cross in, but to show that other attacking players playing his role had similar levels of output.

Obviously Welbeck isn't scoring as many goals as his technical level should get him, but that is the problem with playing a young player out of position- it takes experience to get good at your craft.

It's a fact of life, comparisons are never perfect- this is the fairest comparison that is available, other players playing as wingers for the same club as him. It's as close as you get, and he is producing as many goals for the club as they are. Unfortunately there are no other Danny Welbecks at the club to compare him to.

 

[MrMojo]

Just to remind you what the context was.

I was showing that the players playing in the same position as Welbeck for United had scored around the same number of goals or less and got the similar numbers of assists.

Not to show that Welbeck is a classic flying winger beating 3 men and getting a cross in, but to show that other attacking players playing his role had similar levels of output.

Obviously Welbeck isn't scoring as many goals as his technical level should get him, but that is the problem with playing a young player out of position- it takes experience to get good at your craft.

It's a fact of life, comparisons are never perfect- this is the fairest comparison that is available, other players playing as wingers for the same club as him. It's as close as you get, and he is producing as many goals for the club as they are. Unfortunately there are no other Danny Welbecks at the club to compare him to.

You've also got to ask, what's the value of judging Welbeck against players who are also underperforming and actually quite drastically so. If you're going to use them as a yardstick to measure Welbeck you can't lose.

I've no doubt that if playing centrally he'd score more, but I've also no doubt his drought is down to more than a sporadic positional switch.

 

[Drainy]

and yes, I know our wide players haven't been good- I said so in another thread but give them as much stick as the 22 year old that you seem to irrationally dislike- if you want to be fair.

I pointed that out in the original post.

He said he should be scoring more in a team as good as ours, I showed that everyone playing his main position is not scoring more than he is.
I don't see what is so wrong with that.

what do you want me to do, get a time machine and £80million and sign Ronaldo do we can have a genuine world class player to compare to?

 

[MrMojo]

I pointed that out in the original post.

He said he should be scoring more in a team as good as ours, I showed that everyone playing his main position is not scoring more than he is.
I don't see what is so wrong with that.

what do you want me to do, get a time machine and £80million and sign Ronaldo do we can have a genuine world class player to compare to?

Sometimes there isn't a comparison to be made and I think this was one of those occasions. Comparing him to a set of wingers who've been pretty much awful and failed to score a goal between them doesn't serve much purpose to me.

I think most would say he should be scoring more(not loads) in a team like this.

 

[Platato]

Right but I assume you see the difference between a bloke calling SAF a cnut and Lynk not rating Welbeck as highly as you or I do. The argument you've described above isn't really about football, it's just a bloke making a personal attack on the manager. Lynks offering an opinion on how good Welbeck is and as far as I can see he's done it in a constructive manner. So you wouldnt expect the same response to the given scenarios.


I doubt Lynks offended and nor me, it's the 'move on' line that baffles me. Does Jake not want debate and does he think Lynk will actually leave it there because he said so. It's not just him to be fair, but it just especially illogical given he barely posts in the FF.

I do. I think you're being a bit too particular in this case. I'm speaking in general terms and when you're out engaging with other United fans. You may see it as constructive but if someone else does not, Lynk could very well be called a "bellend". To me, that's not the worst thing to be called.

My theory is it happens at least once in your life. Whether you're discussing football with a fellow United fan or not.

 

[Drainy]

Or maybe they have been told to stay a little wider while attacking to create more space for our central players, since last season be had Rooney and a very young Welbeck up front so we needed more goals from the wide areas to spread the goals around the team.

Or maybe they have been told to get the ball to RvP, Kagawa and Rooney as often as possible this season.

Or maybe the team is giving the ball to the wide players too early in attacks or in positions where they will struggle to score.

They haven't been great, but it could be a change in focus from previous seasons.

Also, just to point out that Silva and Nasri both have only scored 1 goal each this season. I wouldn't say that is because they aren't good enough- just required to do a different job-get the ball to the strikers, but whatever.

 

[ghaliboy]

This thread makes me physically depressed. I'll be back to give him praise when Danny Welbeck scores a few in his next game that he does.

 

[adam118]

The Mail reporting that Danny is off to Reading on loan. Seems a little bit like a step back.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

 

[#07]

The Mail reporting that Danny is off to Reading on loan. Seems a little bit like a step back.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

I'm surprised by these reports as I think Welbeck will prove a valuable option for us during the run in. His height and ball playing ability is another dimension if you're chasing the game and want to load up the box. Yes, we have Van Persie but it always helps to have back up. Rooney, Chico and Kagawa all have this in common: they're small. Sometimes it helps to have another target to hit especially when that target, like Welbs, is good with the ball at his feet too.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

The Mail reporting that Danny is off to Reading on loan. Seems a little bit like a step back.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Ridiculous idea.

 

[ghaliboy]

daily mail didn't read.

 

[finneh]

The Mail reporting that Danny is off to Reading on loan. Seems a little bit like a step back.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

It does seem like a step back, but I can see the logic (even though it is almost certainly bullshit, given the source). He will develop much faster if he is playing every week, even if it is at the cost of an option from the bench. Also if Fergie is confident the likes of Young, Nani, Giggs, Kagawa, Hernandez, Rooney & RVP are enough firepower to fill the 4 forward positions (and I'd guess we would have a recall clause in case of injuries) then Welbeck developing might be a risk worth taking.

I'd think better clubs than Reading would be after him though.

 

[Sassy Colin]

If we are going to challenge on 3 fronts this season, we need Danny at OT.

Might be a really good move for Macheda though.

 

[Jimy_Hills_Chin]

I would be stunned if that loan moved happened. It makes sense on zero levels. If it did, it would be funny to see Cider's reaction!

 

[Rozay]

I've been wondering recently if, at least if we add another winger/wide forward to the squad, Welbeck would not benefit from another PL loan. He should get plenty of suitors, and right now his contribution up front for us will not be that greatly missed. He is more useful as a wide option at present, although even that may change when Nani returns.

Sunderland have been struggling for goals, he could maybe go back there.

I called this myself about two weeks ago. Not that it's confirmed as truth or anything, but the notion clearly isn't exclusive.

 

[Giggsforever]

With Kagawa and Nani back, it makes sense. He will not get the games he need in the run in.

To be the main man in a team during a loan spell will also do wonders for his self-esteem.

 

[RedRover]

I'm surprised by these reports as I think Welbeck will prove a valuable option for us during the run in. His height and ball playing ability is another dimension if you're chasing the game and want to load up the box. Yes, we have Van Persie but it always helps to have back up. Rooney, Chico and Kagawa all have this in common: they're small. Sometimes it helps to have another target to hit especially when that target, like Welbs, is good with the ball at his feet too.

He's certainly a valuable option - but he obviously wants to play regular football and isn't happy sitting on the bench.

I've said this before - he's a good player but I worry for his long term future at the club. He'll certainly get games - but the question si whether he's happy playing second fiddle to RVP, Rooney and to an extent Hernandez.

I've have stick for suggesting this as people seem to mistake it for me being negative about him. I'm not, I just doubt he's good enough to force his way into the side against two of the best forwards in the world - and a player who has the knack of scoring goals.

All that said - I'm sure better clubs that Reading would take him on loan. He'd be a regular at Villa, Sunderland or Newcastle for example.

 

[RedSky]

Strikers:

Van Persie
Rooney
Hernandez
Welbeck (4th choice at present)

Wingers:

Valencia
Young
Nani
Giggs
Welbeck
Kagawa
Rooney

We have a fair few options on the Wings, yes Kagawa/Welbeck and Rooney would be being played out of position, but its happened before. I honestly can't see him getting much game time unless we play him in the FA Cup and rotate in the PL (which currently he's not being used much).

I can see the sense in loaning him out if we think he needs more game time to develop.

 

[ghaliboy]

If someone goes down we're screwed. It makes little to no sense loaning out someone who is prepared to be patient for his spot.

If he was pissing and moaning like a drama queen for games and match sharpness then fine, send him off on loan but it literally makes no sense otherwise. He will be needed and indeed be rotated around Feb, if someone goes down he will definitely be needed to step into that forward role with power/strength.

 

[Chabon]

There is absolutely no possibility of Danny going out on loan, not least to a shit team like Reading. It would be a huge step backwards for the player and would have absolutely no benefit to the club. It's clear that the tabloids have just decided to have a "make up the most absurd rumour you can about a United player" competition this week.

He's appeared in 23 our of 30 matches this season, he's not getting the starts up front that he'd like I'm sure but he's hardly short of appearances.

 

[finneh]

If someone goes down we're screwed. It makes little to no sense loaning out someone who is prepared to be patient for his spot.

If he was pissing and moaning like a drama queen for games and match sharpness then fine, send him off on loan but it literally makes no sense otherwise. He will be needed and indeed be rotated around Feb, if someone goes down he will definitely be needed to step into that forward role with power/strength.

I very much doubt he'd go without the ability to be recalled, in case of injuries. It's a balance of whether he will develop more if he gets say 35 hours of first team Football this season or probably closer to 10 vs how much those c.10 hours may benefit the team.

I personally think if he was playing every week for a good club for the next 18 months he would develop hugely and have a great chance of getting straight into our first XI. Whereas playing 4th fiddle it may take him 4 years to realise this potential, if at all (especially if rumours about Lewandowski are true...)

Welbeck may not be moaning, but if he feels his development is stagnating, then he may want the move and Fergie may feel the loss to the squad is an investment worth taking.

 

[kietotheworld]

If someone goes down we're screwed. It makes little to no sense loaning out someone who is prepared to be patient for his spot.

If he was pissing and moaning like a drama queen for games and match sharpness then fine, send him off on loan but it literally makes no sense otherwise. He will be needed and indeed be rotated around Feb, if someone goes down he will definitely be needed to step into that forward role with power/strength.

We'd far from screwed, we're already missing Rooney and we're getting along just fine. Take Welbeck away and we'd still have loads of options. VP/Rooney, VP/Hernandez, VP/Kagawa, Rooney/Hernandez, Rooney/Kagawa, Hernandez/Kagawa, or Rooney, VP or Hernandez upfront alone. It'd take a hell of an injury crisis for Welbeck to be needed.

I hope it's true, all Welbeck's really done this season is keep better players out of the team, the other strikers are all better than him, he's makes Downing look like Messi when he plays on the wing and it'll be an awful lot better for his development to be playing upfront consistently.

 

[AttackingFlair]

Sounds like bollocks.

 

[backofthenet]

We'd far from screwed, we're already missing Rooney and we're getting along just fine. Take Welbeck away and we'd still have loads of options. VP/Rooney, VP/Hernandez, VP/Kagawa, Rooney/Hernandez, Rooney/Kagawa, Hernandez/Kagawa, or Rooney, VP or Hernandez upfront alone. It'd take a hell of an injury crisis for Welbeck to be needed.

I hope it's true, all Welbeck's really done this season is keep better players out of the team, the other strikers are all better than him, he's makes Downing look like Messi when he plays on the wing and it'll be an awful lot better for his development to be playing upfront consistently.

Seriously?

Is there a single young player at the club that you do rate? Keeps better players out of the team? There's so much wrong with this that I struggle to know where to start to be honest.

He's a 22 year old lad that's a season or so into a very very promising career. There's nothing wrong with playing on the wing for his development and he does a bloody good job there. Suggesting that Stuart fecking Downing looks like Messi in comparison is bollocks of the highest order.

I'm sorry mate, but I think you're trollling.

 

[RedRover]

If someone goes down we're screwed. It makes little to no sense loaning out someone who is prepared to be patient for his spot.If he was pissing and moaning like a drama queen for games and match sharpness then fine, send him off on loan but it literally makes no sense otherwise. He will be needed and indeed be rotated around Feb, if someone goes down he will definitely be needed to step into that forward role with power/strength.

If they're loaning him out I'd suggest that's precisely the problem.

No need for United to laon him out unless he's agitated and wants to go on loan.

 

[Varun]

We'd far from screwed, we're already missing Rooney and we're getting along just fine. Take Welbeck away and we'd still have loads of options. VP/Rooney, VP/Hernandez, VP/Kagawa, Rooney/Hernandez, Rooney/Kagawa, Hernandez/Kagawa, or Rooney, VP or Hernandez upfront alone. It'd take a hell of an injury crisis for Welbeck to be needed.

I hope it's true, all Welbeck's really done this season is keep better players out of the team, the other strikers are all better than him, he's makes Downing look like Messi when he plays on the wing and it'll be an awful lot better for his development to be playing upfront consistently.

I agree with the gist of your post but there's so much bollocks in there too.

I dont think we'd be screwed without him if a player gets injured, we have far too many options upfront for that to happen. It'd also be good for him if we can get games week in week out.