Guns aren't the answer my friend!
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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Guns aren't the answer my friend!
Ummm...he played Premier League football the year before with Sunderland. This is also Hernandez' third season in the top flight
I'd rather have Hernandez on the end of a chance any place, any time than I would almost any other striker in the world including Rooney and RVP. He's a pure goal scorer. So should we sack Rooney and RVP as well? Jeeze what a terrible argument. Welbeck has his flaws but seriously this debate is pathetic. Also Chicharito is 3 years older than Welbeck, hardly a fair comparison.
Chicha. However, I'd rather have Danny involved at just about any stage in just about any hypothetical build-ups to that chance. I'd also prefer De Gea in goal to the both of them in the event of a 90th min penalty against us.
For years. You clown.Urgh, this Lynk arsehole is back 
I thought he'd fecked off for good after Bolotelli's latest shameful display.
I thought he'd fecked off for good after Bolotelli's latest shameful display.
People slagging his finishing after every game has become cliché.
He was playing his first game in million years, up top with player who was injured for more then two months, in awfull conditions, and our team decided to defend for whole second half, around 55th minute he has been switched to right wing.
What good chances did he miss yesterday? I'm sure no one can name single good chance he should have scored, he rarely got any service, but he still did very well, keeping the ball, dribbling, and pressing them on every occasion, feck it, won possesion at least 4 or 5 times as a result of his pressing.
He had good shoot at the end, which wasn't some great chance at all, he made most of it, what resulted in excellent save from Foster.
People saying he isn't united quality should rewatch last season, where he led our attack for most of the time, and he was excellent.
He was playing his first game in million years, up top with player who was injured for more then two months, in awfull conditions, and our team decided to defend for whole second half, around 55th minute he has been switched to right wing.
What good chances did he miss yesterday? I'm sure no one can name single good chance he should have scored, he rarely got any service, but he still did very well, keeping the ball, dribbling, and pressing them on every occasion, feck it, won possesion at least 4 or 5 times as a result of his pressing.
He had good shoot at the end, which wasn't some great chance at all, he made most of it, what resulted in excellent save from Foster.
People saying he isn't united quality should rewatch last season, where he led our attack for most of the time, and he was excellent.
I was a bit disappointed with some of his first touch but I think he did well upfront on his own. He could (should) have done a little better with the long ball from Cleverley but it was very encouraging the way he gave the WBA defence a lot of problems. He had a good game overall albeit not scoring.
But for a fantastic save by Foster, he would have scored a brilliant goal yesterday.
At one or two times his first touch has let him down, but don't forget how awfull conditions were yesterday, so I wouldn't take that against him.
As for that long ball, he could, but that wasn't some great chance, I wouldn't expect from Robin to score in that situation too.
I thought he was good yesterday. His all round game is getting better. He seems to nick the ball off defenders and win back possession high up the pitch. It was just a shame his shot or his block on the keepers clearance didn't end up in the back of the net because he needs a goal or two.
I think he was poor yesterday, but he's better than that so I wouldn't worry about his potential. Still makes me laugh that he's England's first choice striker though!
I think we're definitely seeing a Welbeck who is showing much less conviction in his game than he did last season. Part of that I feel has to do with the inconsistent game time and playing on the wing mostly this season.
Last season, he played with such precision and purpose, you felt really confident with him in the team. He wasn't scoring goals galore but the other aspects of his game really showed. He like many other players needs a run in the team to get going.
Who should be in your opinion?
The problem is that he was kinda in a lose/lose situation yesterday. He started his first game in ages, up front on his own, on a horrible pitch in the rain, in a little used formation containing other players lacking match fitness, against a team in good form for the season who've won games already away at Stamford Bridge and Anfield.
Despite that I think he performed admirably; he won the ball a number of times in dangerous positions, nearly scored by tackling Foster, would have scored a cracker later on had Foster not equalled the effort, and generally got about the pitch in difficult circumstances whilst for long periods receiving zero supply. He played as well as could be expected (much better than would be expected of lesser talents), and imo that demanded that he played with the very conviction you perceive him to be lacking.
People are expecting too much for him; 99.9% of criticism aimed at Welbeck is unfair and unjustified.
I don't think they are to that extent TBH. Would you say that SAF was expecting too much of him when he said that he should be scoring more goals, and gave him a target of 20, before the new season started?
He's a very talented lad and I think that it's complimentary that we are expecting more goals from him.
He said that before we signed RvP.
Spot on.
He's a class player who's not been in the best form this season but looks to be coming out of it.
Fair enough, but do you agree that he could have more goals, given the chances that he's received so far this season?
You wouldn't say that expecting twenty goals from a third/fourth choice forward player is expecting too much?
He wasn't third choice when SAF came out and said that. But my point still stands, it's only natural for people to expect more from him, given his talent.
He's taken part in 14 games this season.
Welbeck was good yesterday. He led the line well by himself, especially considering he hasn't played a lot of football up there of late, his touch was excellent, he brought people into play well and made some decent runs. In a game where we, as a team, weren't at our creative apex, Welbeck did a fine job of trying to make things for himself.
I'd suggest anyone criticising him after yesterdays performance are doing so based on an agenda, rather then being constructive.
I'd suggest anyone criticising him after yesterdays performance are doing so based on an agenda, rather then being constructive.
You know the club you support is full of spoilt bastads, when they start having a go at the 4th choice striker!
The very same chap who started a lot of games last year and did well, and who starred for England at the Euros!
The very same chap who started a lot of games last year and did well, and who starred for England at the Euros!
He's 22 years old. For a player of his age Danny's doing just fine.
I like him a lot. He is still growing as a player and I m prety sure he will develop his scoring abilities.
He worked his socks off yesterday and was unlucky not to score.
I like him a lot. He is still growing as a player and I m prety sure he will develop his scoring abilities.
He worked his socks off yesterday and was unlucky not to score.
Yes, no doubt about that, but not too much tbf. He hasn't been playing too much, he missed couple of good chances at the beggining of the season and that's about it.
To be fair, so should Valencia, Young, Cleverley, Carrick and so forth.
And I agree with Anhiliate too.
He worked hard yesterday and linked up nicely with Cleverley and Kagawa at times but he wasn't enough of a threat as a striker, which was his job at the end of the day.
That said, service wasn't great and I still don't doubt his potential. Considering we're all waxing lyrical over how good RVP is, at 22 he wasn't as good as Welbeck.
That said, service wasn't great and I still don't doubt his potential. Considering we're all waxing lyrical over how good RVP is, at 22 he wasn't as good as Welbeck.
I don't understand the "he is a striker, so he should be scoring goals" - just because he has a title of striker - doesn't mean squat unless he is actually playing as a striker.
To get 1 game as a central striker every couple months hardly is conducive to even the best strikers - even Rooney who one of the best in the world in his position - needs games to get scoring.
It's just silly to think Welbeck should be scoring because he has the tag of striker. Playing on the wing hardly presents endless opportunities. As for yesterday's game he was fantastic IMO - as long striker he worked hard to get the ball back, ran the channels and pulled their central defenders around.
Maybe if he actually gets a decent run as a striker and he doesn't score then there will be credence to he isn't a good enough scorer.
To get 1 game as a central striker every couple months hardly is conducive to even the best strikers - even Rooney who one of the best in the world in his position - needs games to get scoring.
It's just silly to think Welbeck should be scoring because he has the tag of striker. Playing on the wing hardly presents endless opportunities. As for yesterday's game he was fantastic IMO - as long striker he worked hard to get the ball back, ran the channels and pulled their central defenders around.
Maybe if he actually gets a decent run as a striker and he doesn't score then there will be credence to he isn't a good enough scorer.
Yes? Both these players (you know those things on the screen wearing the red kit and kicking a round ball?) have played for us for an amount of time, best measured in a orbital period of time, commonly known as years. I could measure it in minutes, days or months, but that would just be confusing.
Still a slightly daft way of putting it.
I could say, "I've thought this decade was shit for years now", and it might be logically true, but it would still result in everyone saying, "But it's only been two years since the decade started"... which is what's happened in this thread.
I could say, "I've thought this decade was shit for years now", and it might be logically true, but it would still result in everyone saying, "But it's only been two years since the decade started"... which is what's happened in this thread.
Urgh, this Lynk arsehole is back
I thought he'd fecked off for good after Bolotelli's latest shameful display.
Again, not great at taking things in are you? I said Balotelli was more talented, but I would rather Welbeck in the role he currently has at the club, mostly due to his attitude. I'm not a Balotelli fanboy, I can't stand the arsehole.
I agree in general but it's more than him not scoring, he doesn't even look like scoring. He's not getting the chances because he's not getting into good positions and that to me is a worry. For the own goal yesterday he was caught on his heels and that's happened time and time again this season. That might well be because we're moving him about so much that he's a little confused about what he's meant to be doing and he's going against his natural instincts but you almost know we're not going to be free-scoring when he's up top these days. That's the complete opposite to last season. It's not been an easy season for him at all but hopefully he'll benefit from this experience in the end.
Is he feck.
He scored 17 goals last season, largely playing as back up or sometimes on the wing. He scored 2 goals against Germany in the semi finals of the Euros. Talk all you want, but he's a better footballer.
I'm not a massive Balotelli fan either but he's undoubtedly a more talented footballer. Again, I'd argue that there's maybe a suggestion for taking Welbeck because he's more of a team player and a harder worker, but yeah, Balotelli's the more talented.
Don't get me wrong, like I said currently, I'd take Welbeck because neither of them are good enough yet to be first choice and Welbeck doesn't sulk on the bench and at least works for the team when called on.
But Balotelli is the better footballer, they're the same age and he's outscored Welbeck in every season they've both played in.
But Balotelli is the better footballer, they're the same age and he's outscored Welbeck in every season they've both played in.
He may be a more prolific goalscorer, but he's certainly not a better footballer.
In 240 Premier League games Darren Bent has scored 102 goals, does that make him a better footballer than Denis Bergkamp who in 315 games only managed to score 87?
Danny Welbeck is a better footballer than Mario Balotelli. You could ask every single manager in the league which they'd prefer to have in their side and they'd all say Welbeck, especially so Roberto Mancini. As a goalscorer, Balotelli's alright; as a footballer though he's a fecking prick, a retard and an absolute liability.
I'll take this pathetic passive-aggressive attempt at cleverness as an admission of embarrassment at your silly, hyperbolic statement.
Ironically, considering the time span we're talking about here, using months instead of years would not only have been less confusing, it'd also make you come off as less of a subjective curmudgeon.
Agree mate. baffles me on how we're so harsh on our youngsters.
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