Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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For me he doesn't have the killer instinct in front of goal and also lacks the physical strength to boss defenders....the question is can he improve enough or does he need to move on in the summer?
 
I do wish he would score more obviously but his quick passing, movement, and defensive efforts still make it worth playing him. Goals aren't everything, and Welbeck brings plenty of other things to the table. I still believe he can become a very good finisher as well, we've seen him score plenty of good goals in the past he just needs consistency.
 
Chabon said:
Nah, I'm not having anything to do with you. You don't deserve to support this football club.
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You don't deserve to be on a football forum if you can't handle an opinion.
 
Nate Dogg said:
For me he doesn't have the killer instinct in front of goal and also lacks the physical strength to boss defenders....the question is can he improve enough or does he need to move on in the summer?
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The physical strength will come, it's the killer instinct that does bother me
 
charlenefan said:
Welbeck was always going to be the one that suffered the most by signing RVP
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In the short term, probably.

If he learns from RvP in training, while still getting adequate game time out wide there is no reason why he can't benefit from the signing and become a top striker in the future anyway. We almost won the league with Welbeck as our no1 striker- but like young players can do, he had a dip after the new year and we missed out.

RvP is the signing to get us over the finish line and if Welbeck's attitude is as good as it has been in the past there is no reason why it has to damage his career.
 
I wouldn't sell him, I do think he could do with a loan to a top half side though.
 
Lynk said:
You don't deserve to be on a football forum if you can't handle an opinion.
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Ladies this is getting a bit childish.

Welbeck does have his detractors even among hardcore on the Stretty but he also gives all for the shirt.

SAF loves his attitude and I can't see him going anywhere while he does that
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Ladies this is getting a bit childish.

Welbeck does have his detractors even among hardcore on the Stretty but he also gives all for the shirt.

SAF loves his attitude and I can't see him going anywhere while he does that
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I'm by no means acting childish. I'm doing what any sane football fan does, I'm debating about my team and criticizing those who I believe need to do better. Instead of saying "lol, welbeck is shit!11" or "gigs is old, fergie is deluded". I'm trying to do it in a civilized manner. 1 goal in 21 games is poor for an attacking player in a team like this. Even Chabon must see this, but he seems to take it a little bit too much to heart and thinks he is worthy of questioning my love for this club.
 
gza the genius said:
I do wish he would score more obviously but his quick passing, movement, and defensive efforts still make it worth playing him. Goals aren't everything, and Welbeck brings plenty of other things to the table. I still believe he can become a very good finisher as well, we've seen him score plenty of good goals in the past he just needs consistency.
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All true, but how does one get "consistency" in a squad that packs RvP, Rooney and Hernandez?

Danny has a rough road ahead of him.
 
I don't know what fun does people get from discrediting a young Mancunian who loves the club and played well last season and is still relatively young. It's a bit pathetic.
 
KM said:
I don't know what fun does people get from discrediting a young Mancunian who loves the club and played well last season and is still relatively young. It's a bit pathetic.
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What's more pathetic is those who refuse to see faults because he is a Mancunian...bit of a double standard when people regularly criticize Young and Valencia don't you think?
 
It's absurd to read all the abuse Welbeck is getting from the "fans" in here.
He is a young player. Local lad. Came through the ranks. Still has a lot to learn and is still developing.
He offers so much when he is playing; speed, a lot of movement, good work-rate, good technically. Yes, he can improve his play in the box and work on his killer-instinct. But no worries, it will come with game-time and maturity..

For me, Welbeck is a great player to have in the team.! And it is ridiculous to talk about selling him. That would be a very bad move..
 
Those who are on about selling him are spastics. I do think a loan to a top table side mightn't be the worst thing in the world. Let's be honest, he's not going to break into the team ahead of RVP for the next two years at least.
 
There's no need to loan him out. Our quartet of strikers is perfectly balanced and is easily the strongest part of our squad.
 
It's good in the short term, but long term I can see it damaging his development.
 
Lynk said:
Those who are on about selling him are spastics. I do think a loan to a top table side mightn't be the worst thing in the world. Let's be honest, he's not going to break into the team ahead of RVP for the next two years at least.
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He did that with Sunderland recently why again? Welbz needs to kick on for us now, its sink or swim time.

He works hard for the team but very rarely does he show that instinctive finishing we have seen glimpses of on a consistent basis.
 
It's a bit pre-mature to say it's sink or swim time for a 21 year old. Welbeck is at the stage now where he's shown he has qualities for this league. We just need to find out whether those qualities are good enough to be a first team striker for Manchester United. We aren't gonna find out in the short term because RVP is one of the best strikers in the world.
 
Lynk said:
It's a bit pre-mature to say it's sink or swim time for a 21 year old. Welbeck is at the stage now where he's shown he has qualities for this league. We just need to find out whether those qualities are good enough to be a first team striker for Manchester United. We aren't gonna find out in the short term because RVP is one of the best strikers in the world.
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He's clearly good enough to be one of the four strikers in our squad already.
 
Lynk said:
It's a bit pre-mature to say it's sink or swim time for a 21 year old. Welbeck is at the stage now where he's shown he has qualities for this league. We just need to find out whether those qualities are good enough to be a first team striker for Manchester United. We aren't gonna find out in the short term because RVP is one of the best strikers in the world.
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Disagree 21 is more than old enough to decide if he is indeed going to kick on for UTD or not.

If a chance fell to Welbeck or Chico in the 90th minute who would you rather have on the end of it?
 
Hernandez everytime. I've said it for years.
 
haven't read the thread so far apart from couple of goals and people bickering with each other. Here it is for me: could grew up supporting this club and he's from manc which for me i like cause you wanna see ppl from the local area get into the team. His game has improved a lot, but it's clear he's in a bad form. When he's in form, he's really good and definite united quality. While his finishing is off he has been playign pretty good in other aspects of his game. Pressing the defenders hard, putting a huge work ethic and his passing and movement off the ball is great. The only way to get his finishing better is to keep playign him but it won't happen when he's got 3 strikers that are better than him. Other than man city and us is there any other team in the prem that he'd be 4th in line at striker, he'd be 3rd in line on pretty much every other team and a starter on quite a few of them, namely, liverpool. He's also shown moments of brilliance like in the euros v. sweden . His 21 years old so he's got a long way to go but he's gonna carver out a great year and it'll be done here when it's all said and done. I could see him being our captain in 7-8 years.
 
iczster said:
Disagree 21 is more than old enough to decide if he is indeed going to kick on for UTD or not.

If a chance fell to Welbeck or Chico in the 90th minute who would you rather have on the end of it?
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Hernandez would win that contest over 90% of the strikers in the league, that's ridiculous.
 
Brwned said:
Hernandez would win that contest over 90% of the strikers in the league, that's ridiculous.
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That's hardly relevant to the debate at hand is it? I hope Welbeck makes it, a local lad from Longsight. I don't feel a loan move is a step forward for him.
 
iczster said:
That's hardly relevant to the debate at hand is it?
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Actually it is relevant. In a squad you need different types of players for different situations. Hernandez scores plenty of goals and occupies defenders with his movement, but is nowhere near as good at holding the ball up and doesn't do the defensive shift that Welbeck can put in. Over the course of a season you can use both players effectively at different points.
 
iczster said:
That's hardly relevant to the debate at hand is it? I hope Welbeck makes it, a local lad from Longsight. I don't feel a loan move is a step forward for him.
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He has made it hasn't he?
He's regularly involved with England, starring at the last tournament, he's not some raw kid making his first steps in the first team!

He's marvellous on hold up play and mobility outside the box, but is well under the level of our other strikers in terms of finishing.

It's the old great scorer, or scorer of great goals. He's definitely more towards the latter, whereas Hernandez is the former.
 
He's made it as a premier league footballer, not as a first team striker for Manchester United yet.
 
Drainy said:
Actually it is relevant. In a squad you need different types of players for different situations. Hernandez scores plenty of goals and occupies defenders with his movement, but is nowhere near as good at holding the ball up and doesn't do the defensive shift that Welbeck can put in. Over the course of a season you can use both players effectively at different points.
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Apologies, I thought we where comparing our forwards and where they rank in our current line up? I don't see what relevance the other 90% of forwards in the league has got to do with it. It goes without saying that they are different players but ultimately a forwards job is to score goals. Danny, to date hasn't consistently done that. Chico ran himself into the ground against Newcastle and still got the winner.

He has a good understanding with Clevs from the EU21 days so hopefully this will blossom.
 
Lynk said:
He's made it as a premier league footballer, not as a first team striker for Manchester United yet.
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He started a fair amount of games last season though.

Woul you say Hernandez has made it as a first team striker for Man Utd?
What's the qualification for it?

Has VP made it? He's scored and started less than both of those 2.
 
He'd start at pretty much all Premier League teams except us and City. He's certainly good enough even if his finishing has been below par lately, plus he still has time on his side. When van Persie's role gets reduced in his mid-30s hopefully he'll be the one to step up - if not and he gets impatient with his role in the team (Hernandez is definitely number one option off the bench), he'll still have a good career at another PL side, that I'm sure of.
 
Sandikan said:
He started a fair amount of games last season though.

Woul you say Hernandez has made it as a first team striker for Man Utd?
What's the qualification for it?

Has VP made it? He's scored and started less than both of those 2.
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We won the league and made it to a champions league final with Hernandez as our first team striker.
 
Brwned said:
Hernandez would win that contest over 90% of the strikers in the league, that's ridiculous.
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Indeed, I'd rather a chance fell in the 90th minute to Hernandez than any of our other strikers as he's just a finisher pure and simple. They're different types of strikers and Chicharito is a few years older and has more top level experience, especially internationally.

Welbeck is good enough to be a starting striker for a top side, he'd get more than his fair share of goals if he was played consistently upfront with the full first team instead of only get the occasional game with the rotation side.
 
Thought Danny had a good game. Despite looking a little out of sorts and perhaps too eager to do too much at times I don't think he had a bad game. Can't comment on his finishing or lack thereof cos I don't remember him having a clear chance to score. You can make an argument that that's in part because his movement in the box isn't getting him into the best positions but I thought all and all he did well. The holes in his game can be plugged. When Ronaldo came to United he wasn't the best at getting into the space and striking home but with hard work and patience...let's give the guy a chance, eh?
 
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