Danny Rose

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Epicurean said:
Geez. Hit a few nerves here I see. Is it cuz he is English? The left backs at United have conceded less goals than the left backs at Spurs.

Not saying he is a bad player, but he is hardly Maicon or Dani Alves level. In fact, I stand by what I say, he would not be an improvement on Blind or Young.

As soon as he puts a foot wrong one time too many you lot will turn on him quicker than the sun melts snow on a red hot summer day.
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First of all this is a ridiculous argument to judge 1 defender by and secondly, he's played 1 game in the Prem this season, conceding a grand total of 0.

Don't think anyone is claiming he's Maicon or Dani Alves level, there's a bit of a difference between those and Blind/Young.
 
Epicurean said:
Geez. Hit a few nerves here I see. Is it cuz he is English? The left backs at United have conceded less goals than the left backs at Spurs.

Not saying he is a bad player, but he is hardly Maicon or Dani Alves level. In fact, I stand by what I say, he would not be an improvement on Blind or Young.

As soon as he puts a foot wrong one time too many you lot will turn on him quicker than the sun melts snow on a red hot summer day.
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He is not Dani Alves or Maicon's level, but not many LB's are.
Come on, you are comparing the best LB - before he got injured - in the EPL to a midfielder pretending to be a fullback and a failed winger. Rose has played a grand total of ?0 league games in the EPL this season, so I don't know why you have to bring up the no of goals Spurs conceded in his absence.
 
Mcking said:
@Ikon, you just compared Rose to the big man. :lol: :nervous: :wenger:
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I know, I couldn't resist throwing that one in there...haha :)
Jones is made from Weetabix, injured Shoulder, Back, Knee, Ankle, Toe, Shins, Hamstring, Eye, Concussion....FFS..!!
Does give a little bit of context to those people spouting that Rose is a crock though....:lol:
 
Ikon said:
I know, I couldn't resist throwing that one in there...haha :)
Jones is made from Weetabix, injured Shoulder, Back, Knee, Ankle, Toe, Shins, Hamstring, Eye, Concussion....FFS..!!
Does give a little bit of context to those people spouting that Rose is a crock though....:lol:
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Jones is the Lord of all crocks, even glasses bow and answer to him. Rose is not fit to lace the Lord's boots. :lol:
 
If we get Rose I'd probably want to keep Shaw. Have Rose start with Young and Shaw as cover. I'm fairly certain Shaw is not going to make it here but signing Rose could give him another couple years to attempt to get there at least and it'd be better than signing a backup left back after Young leaves. If Shaw doesn't take over for Rose in a couple years then we look to sign a younger replacement and finally get rid.
 
RedRover said:
If that's your opinion then fair enough, but without wanting to be disrespectful Celtic play a handful of genuinely competitive fixtures a year. I can't see how it's possible, based on that to judge a player playing in that environment against a player regularly turning out in the PL - either in terms of the standard of the game overall or the pressure of playing for a top side which can be crippling to even players with huge potential like Luke Shaw.

He may very well be a very good player in the future but I can't see why United would spend money on another "project" when they need quality now.
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The point is he’s at that stage just now of being good enough.
 
Epicurean said:
Geez. Hit a few nerves here I see. Is it cuz he is English? The left backs at United have conceded less goals than the left backs at Spurs.

Not saying he is a bad player, but he is hardly Maicon or Dani Alves level. In fact, I stand by what I say, he would not be an improvement on Blind or Young.

As soon as he puts a foot wrong one time too many you lot will turn on him quicker than the sun melts snow on a red hot summer day.
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Come on you at the wind up? Rose is better than both Blind and Young and it’s idiotic to suggest other wise.
 
Lawman said:
Come on you at the wind up? Rose is better than both Blind and Young and it’s idiotic to suggest other wise.
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I don't think its a wind up, its more ignorance if anything. I feel its quite obvious he doesn't follow the PL to have such a view.
 
We need full backs who can both sit back and defend as well as get up the pitch and deliver accurate crosses regularly. Probably aren't that many in the world who can do both well. If we're not going to sign Sandro then Tierney sounds like a good option. Rose would improve us, but he's no Evra.
 
Yorkeontop said:
I like the guy, pretty excellent fitness record before this last injury and a very good defender. He's nothing special going forward though so don't expect sublime crossing. A José kind of fullback alright.
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his injury record is poor, 2013-2014 season he played 22 pl games and was injured from Sept to Dec
2014-2015 season was his most productive, 28 pl games
2015-2016 - Jan 2017 knee lig injury, out for the season, 9 months
2017-2018- 1 pl game

he was sent back from Bristol city back in 2011 from his loan spell due to injuries
returned from sunderland on loan in 2013 for surgery

He's got a bit more form injury wise than people realise. In his more productive season to date in pl, he made the same appearances number wise as Ibra did last season for us
 
DannyCAFC said:
FFS give it a rest :lol:

Danny Rose - experienced, PL proven (best LB in the league last 2/3 seasons), in his prime, irrefutable instant upgrade at LB, English, played with and knows several United players from international duty

Jorge - good prospect, had 10 good games for Monaco so far in Ligue 1

I'm not necessarily saying Jorge would be a bad buy, but it's a risky one for sure for a player who's inexperienced and had one 2 months of good form in European football so far in his career, compared to how proven Danny Rose is at the top level.

And yet apparently buying one the proven one would be unbelievably stupid, but buying the unproven prospect (who buy the way isn't guaranteed to continue blossoming in to a top class player, this isn't Football Manager mate) would be a great deal.

Utterly clueless.

EDIT: Oh by the way, you brought up City at the end of your post as if they know how to do things properly and are a formula to follow; didn't they just spent £45/£50m on Kyle Walker, a proven 27 year old Spurs and England full-back to instantly improve their team in a key position, rather than spend money on a prospect?
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I love english football fans. Not played in Premier League = unproven! Great! The Kenny Dalgish formula!

I can understand how you can jump to that conclusion as you apparently struggle to read as well. I have never claimed City «know how to do things». They do however have unlimited funds, and we have to be smarter than them to compete. Like Ferguson was when he competed with Chelsea.

Danny Rose at 28 from Spurs will never give us value for money. Never. I’m not sure Jorge is the best solution, but I’m sure there are several young players out there who will be just as good at a better price. Jorge was just one example. Man Utd, with 50 scouts all over Europe, should be able to identify some of them.
 
andersj said:
I love english football fans. Not played in Premier League = unproven! Great! The Kenny Dalgish formula!

I can understand how you can jump to that conclusion as you apparently struggle to read as well. I have never claimed City «know how to do things». They do however have unlimited funds, and we have to be smarter than them to compete. Like Ferguson was when he competed with Chelsea.

Danny Rose at 28 from Spurs will never give us value for money. Never. I’m not sure Jorge is the best solution, but I’m sure there are several young players out there who will be just as good at a better price. Jorge was just one example. Man Utd, with 50 scouts all over Europe, should be able to identify some of them.
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DannyCAFC said:
Utterly clueless.
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Couldn't have put it a better way Danny. :lol: Man doesn't want a proven class player as he wouldn't give us 'value for money' when we have Young and Darmian as leftbacks.
We don't have the luxury of a starter in that position to be cherrypicking.
 
gza the genius said:
If we get Rose I'd probably want to keep Shaw. Have Rose start with Young and Shaw as cover. I'm fairly certain Shaw is not going to make it here but signing Rose could give him another couple years to attempt to get there at least and it'd be better than signing a backup left back after Young leaves. If Shaw doesn't take over for Rose in a couple years then we look to sign a younger replacement and finally get rid.
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Then we will need to move on Blind as he wouldn't get enough starts to justify him being here if he has Rose, Shaw and Young ahead of him.
 
poleglass red said:
his injury record is poor, 2013-2014 season he played 22 pl games and was injured from Sept to Dec
2014-2015 season was his most productive, 28 pl games
2015-2016 - Jan 2017 knee lig injury, out for the season, 9 months
2017-2018- 1 pl game

he was sent back from Bristol city back in 2011 from his loan spell due to injuries
returned from sunderland on loan in 2013 for surgery

He's got a bit more form injury wise than people realise. In his more productive season to date in pl, he made the same appearances number wise as Ibra did last season for us
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Oops! He always seemed to be playing when I watched Spurs. I could have sworn it was a strength of his - as I indeed did do. Well then, this potential move just got a whole lot less appealing for me.
 
poleglass red said:
his injury record is poor, 2013-2014 season he played 22 pl games and was injured from Sept to Dec
2014-2015 season was his most productive, 28 pl games
2015-2016 - Jan 2017 knee lig injury, out for the season, 9 months
2017-2018- 1 pl game

he was sent back from Bristol city back in 2011 from his loan spell due to injuries
returned from sunderland on loan in 2013 for surgery

He's got a bit more form injury wise than people realise. In his more productive season to date in pl, he made the same appearances number wise as Ibra did last season for us
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Rose would be a bad choice for the money and time invested. If he was a player of the calibre of Marcelo or Alaba it would be worth a risk, this guy has had about 2 good seasons in his career, we should look elsewhere.
 
Very good player but I'm dubious. He's not particularly young, would cost a bomb and given his injury situation we'd still be playing the usual suspects a lot to cover him. Buy someone else, in my opinion.
 
Kidders said:
I am a lazy poster, as in I have'nt read previous posts, but there is only one player we should sign for left back, SANDRO
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In fact a trio of Brazilian signings could just make the difference between winning the league and finishing second, get Luiz Willian and Sandro and we move to another level.
 
Kidders said:
In fact a trio of Brazilian signings could just make the difference between winning the league and finishing second, get Luiz Willian and Sandro and we move to another level.
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Let's bring in Fred while are at it too. We need a midfielder.
 
This really could be a deal that works out well for both clubs if we include Shaw, Rose wants to move back up North, wants more money, and is a clear upgrade on what we've got, Shaw needs a move, and reuniting with Poch seems perfect if he's ever going to reach his potential, no messing, get it done.
 
Not convinced by him very much, and for 40 m its not a A level signing. We should scout scout and scout and unearth a lb like we did with bailly.

ALso , i cant help it but i can never give up on shaw to come back until he is sold by us, may be a loan will help him to his level and we can take him back.
 
Sultan said:
I don't know if this has been mentioned in this thread. Apologies if it has, and I'm reposting.

Rio Ferdinand was asked in the Claire Balding show to name the best defender in the Premiership: Answer: Danny Rose.
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Yes heard that too. I thought it was a very odd pick. Good player but i’ve never warmed to him.
 
Rio said he's the best defender in the league recently. That's good enough for me, sign him up.
 
prtk0811 said:
Not convinced by him very much, and for 40 m its not a A level signing. We should scout scout and scout and unearth a lb like we did with bailly.

ALso , i cant help it but i can never give up on shaw to come back until he is sold by us, may be a loan will help him to his level and we can take him back.
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prtk0811 said:
Not convinced by him very much, and for 40 m its not a A level signing. We should scout scout and scout and unearth a lb like we did with bailly.

ALso , i cant help it but i can never give up on shaw to come back until he is sold by us, may be a loan will help him to his level and we can take him back.
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Shaw is finished here. Also we've already taken risks in that position, they haven't worked out. We need to buy an established player who we know will perform now. That position has been shit for us for years, we can't keep hoping it'll improve.
 
Womp said:
Shaw is finished here. Also we've already taken risks in that position, they haven't worked out. We need to buy an established player who we know will perform now. That position has been shit for us for years, we can't keep hoping it'll improve.
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He's 28 already and only has a few good seasons in him left for that price is not an attractive signing.
 
prtk0811 said:
He's 28 already and only has a few good seasons in him left for that price is not an attractive signing.
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I didn't say Rose was the answer - simply that we can't keep taking risks in that position. We need to sign someone established. If Rose can avoid injuries etc. and get back to his form prior to his injury, we'll have one of the best LB's in the league for 3-4 years or so.

Bailly was a great buy, but fullbacks are one of the most important positions, if not the most important position in football now. All the top teams have top players there, we are the only ones who are lagging behind. Valencia and Young would be backup players at most for other top teams.
 
prtk0811 said:
He's 28 already and only has a few good seasons in him left for that price is not an attractive signing.
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Was born 2nd July 1990, must be the only 28 year old born on that date in the universe. Best we sign this unique talent.
Odd that the lie about his age is so common on here. So many 27 year old suddenly become 28 and its repeated many many times.
 
Zlatattack said:
We need full backs who can both sit back and defend as well as get up the pitch and deliver accurate crosses regularly. Probably aren't that many in the world who can do both well. If we're not going to sign Sandro then Tierney sounds like a good option. Rose would improve us, but he's no Evra.
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There is - there just isn't any at our club. All top fullbacks are capable of both defending and being a threat offensively.
 
No doubt he would do us good, probably better then all other ones playing on that position atm but I'm not sure we should pay more then 30m for him (Spurs will probably ask 40-45m).
 
Tony Babangida said:
Rio said he's the best defender in the league recently. That's good enough for me, sign him up.
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I think he has only played one game this season and missed a chunk of last season. Perhaps the less he plays the better he appears to be.
 
Womp said:
I didn't say Rose was the answer - simply that we can't keep taking risks in that position. We need to sign someone established. If Rose can avoid injuries etc. and get back to his form prior to his injury, we'll have one of the best LB's in the league for 3-4 years or so.

Bailly was a great buy, but fullbacks are one of the most important positions, if not the most important position in football now. All the top teams have top players there, we are the only ones who are lagging behind. Valencia and Young would be backup players at most for other top teams.
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Well, its a rose thread so i was discussing him. THere is lots of if's with rose which does not look to be attractive for me. There are lots of other talents which can play superbly in that position , are young and will be better overall than him.

Also when we bought shaw and darmian we though we have solved those positions but it dint turn out that way so young and valencia has to play there. Rojo too suddenly cant play leftback when at the worldcup he as the best leftback in the tournament.

In case of shaw i just cant help it, Until we sell him i can never give up on him even if we loan him for gametime and form. Rose for me is too expensive and we could use the money better with fresh hungry players who are younger and better.

There are players like arsenal's kolasinac out there which would be waymore cheaper than rose.
 
Red_toad said:
Was born 2nd July 1990, must be the only 28 year old born on that date in the universe. Best we sign this unique talent.
Odd that the lie about his age is so common on here. So many 27 year old suddenly become 28 and its repeated many many times.
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Dont think we will santion 40 m in january for him and by next window he'llbe 28. Also in january its already 27 and half with recent injury problems.
 
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