He's a good striker, can perform in the EPL & has potential to improve. no brainer to sign him, being on a free United can't really lose out. Will have a lot of games to play next season& he'll add to our squad strength.
Danny Ings | Signs for Liverpool (lol)
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He's a good striker, can perform in the EPL & has potential to improve. no brainer to sign him, being on a free United can't really lose out. Will have a lot of games to play next season& he'll add to our squad strength.
We wouldn't be buying him on that assumption.
Not to forget; it's better we buy him and ship him off somewhere else if it doesn't work out, than to take the risk on him actually succeeding in Liverpool
If we were going to have Ings as a third choice striker, why wouldn't we just keep a far more proven player with a far better goal scoring record in Hernandez?
How do you know he'll never be good enough?
Are a few players in our current team who were never going to be good enough according to many supporters forums! Lad has some very good attributes & is doing very well in a poor team this season.
Because he won't want to be the third choice striker anymore, and LvG doesn't seem like the type of manager to force anyone to stay if they don't want to.
I don't really care about the fee. If he's good enough, we should get him. If the other names thrown about like Dybala, Vietto etc are bigger talents, we should go for them. Each of them would be happy to develop here rather than demanding starts so I dont see a problem.
We didn't buy Zaha on that assumption too but it was clear from the beginning that it was going to end only in one way. Same here.
When was the last time people got excited over a continental/south american talent playing for a relegation battler with ing's numbers?
Well I'm no one to judge whether they've actually seen Ings play on a regular basis but they do have a point.
Not a rule of thumb, but it's incredibly rare to find quality players from relegation threatened sides, hence why not a lot of big clubs indulge in the practice just to make up numbers. Names like Keane have been mentioned but that was a long time ago, in a totally different era of football where the disparity in quality between the 4-5 best sides to the bottom feeders wasn't as stark as is now and teams like say West Ham churned out talents Carrick, Ferdinand and Lampard on a fairy regular basis. Remy ? He has been quite mediocre for Chelsea to be honest. We should be learning from the mistakes and poor transfer dealings of the teams around us and streamlining our club policy, not trying to emulate them by signing players who won't add a whole lot to the squad in the medium and long term.
That he doesn't score a lot is a fair argument too, 9 goals from 29 matches and almost 2500 minutes of play is hardly a spectacular output for a striker who doesn't add a lot of creativity in the final third to make up for the deficit. Players like DJ Campbell scored 13 goals in recent memory, Odemwingie scored 15, Yakubu 17, Cisse 13, Holt 15, Michu 18 and so forth. Do any of them scream Manchester United, even as squad options despite superior return to Ings' ? We have a perfectly talented player in Wilson who can be the 3rd option behind Rooney and presumably Van Persie. Why bring in an average player who'll just eat up Wilson's minutes and slow his progression when Wilson's a good, homegrown prospect who has already been earmarked for success by Van Gaal and Giggs ?
Also, while Dybala or Vietto might be fancy names, firstly they've evidenced more quality this season, and I'm pretty sure most of the posters on Caf aren't averse to potential signings like Sterling or Stones or Kane and other top shelf English talents that can progress into world class type of players or atleast become highly productive members of the squad. It has nothing to do with being English or boring, so let's not be presumptive about it. Their main emphasis should be on buying players more in alignment with our stature, rather than snapping them just because they're free or have had a few decent performances here and there. That's how you end up bloating the squad with likely non performers. If we are to sign a good English player to augment what we have, rather Berahino who more skillful, productive and can develop into a better player than Ings. The primary objective is continual improvement of the squad, not penny pinching and ending up with the lesser talent just to save a few million (which is a bit inconsequential for a club with United's revenue anyway).
If I'm treating this as a serious rumour (and I'm still skeptical) it's a relatively low-risk signing. He's 22, he'd be a backup, he'd be cheap , and he's English (which makes him an easier resell)... what's the big worry?
It's the equivalent of Buttner... but a slight upgrade on that.
It's the equivalent of Buttner... but a slight upgrade on that.
You mean the same Hernandez that wants to leave for regular first team football?
As I've mentioned I would take Ings but as 3rd choice. I wouldn't have a problem with that. It's low risk.
Because Hernandez isn't very good at the whole playing football lark. Ings is, with room to grow.
I don't think Hernandez has a future here. If we're going to stick with 4-3-3, which I believe we will then I don't think Hernandez has enough to his game to play the lone striker role. I'd say he's a gonner for sure, and rightly so, as much as I love him he won't fit this system. Ings' isn't the answer for me, even as a back-up striker. I, like many others, would much rather give Wilson the time as a 3/rd/4th choice striker. With Rooney and RvP rotating as the main striker. I think we'll see the best of RvP next season, for what it's worth, in this central striker role I think he'll thrive.
I don't understand the logic that we could persuade a 23 year old player on an upward career trajectory to warm our bench, but we couldn't persuade a player who has played this role for years successfully in Hernandez.
He left in the Summer to go to Real Madrid, hardly the actions of a player striving for first team action.
Don't be ridiculous, Hernandez is a much better player at this moment in time. Also, how do you think Ings will do this "growing as a player", whilst warming the bench week in, week out?
Logic would suggest going into the season with Rooney, RVP & Wilson would be perfectly fine if we are playing one striker. Or if Van Gaal has his heart set on sending Wilson out on loan, why not get a quality forward player who can play across all the front positions?
If he wasn't English and free, how many of you would really want him at the club?
But he is English and coming to the end of his contract.
It's a quantity signing - not quality. We would only have a player on our hands who won't help us to improve.
It's a perfectly valid comparison. English, first chance to really prove himself in the PL playing for a weak team and he did well. If that's all you need - along with a few tabloid rumors, of course - to put yourself forward as being good enough to play for title-challengers then DJ Campbell and 100's of others have been sorely overlooked.
That's not what people want. You're just saying that to justify your (almost xenophobic) attitude to foreign players. People are saying they would prefer to sign someone like Vietto because he's also affordable - with a release clause of £15m - and because he's proven himself on a higher level and performed better. He's scored a goal every 137 minutes in the league (compared to Ings scoring a goal every 277 minutes) and is joint third top scorer in the Europa League, and his general skill level and versatility are a level above Ings'. They don't prefer Vietto because he's "foreign". They prefer him because he's more proven.
As many people as want us to sign Domenico Berardi or Jonathas.
Considering how things have been going lately, being the second/third choice striker at Real Madrid is much more attractive than being the third choice at Machester United.
Either way, I don't think he'll stay at Madrid, but I don't think LvG will be able to offer him the game time he so clearly wants.
But he is English and free... so what's your point?
That we're signing him cause he's English and free, not because he's quality.
I think more than now.
And is that so strange? It's an English club, of course him being English is a factor.
Yes.
It's a club who claims to be the world's biggest club. Signing - at best - the fifth best English young striker (in a time when English players are quite awful) doesn't help that.
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Other than the Mirror, are anyone else reporting on this?
If we sign him, we won't sign someone better for that position. What does it matter that he won't cost nothing, while we won't sign someone better there but have more than a hundred millions in the bank?
But a third/fourth choice striker isn't exactly a position where we should look to spend millions....
Ah, right. I'm not arguing that we should sign Ings, really. I've not seen him play more than one or two games. I was just commenting on the fact that you seemed a bit annoyed/incredulous that him being English should play any part at all in us signing him or not.
Considering that RVP is 31 and Rooney, I think it is.
Our revenue minus the expenses is 150m+. I don't see where is the problem on spending 10-25m more on a player who has genuinely potential to become one of the best in the world on what is the most important position on the pitch. Vietto would cost only 5-10m more than Ings for example. Dybala and Lacazette a bit more.
Ings is quantity over quality IMO. The same reasoning that brought us the likes of Zaha, Powell, Bebe, Hernandez etc. Only one of them actually worked. And even then, it was with mixed results.
LvG has proven that he sticks to his paradigma "Philosophy and style over individual players and big names".
For the striker position I would interpret this as only players which are able to contribute to the overall play would fit.
Is Ings one of this category? Did not see too much of him to judge.
For the striker position I would interpret this as only players which are able to contribute to the overall play would fit.
Is Ings one of this category? Did not see too much of him to judge.
Because there you have an expectation of game time from those players... and starting games no less. Where as Ings could start 2 games a season for us and it'd be fine.
If we wanted to buy a striker to start 15-20+ games a season (and we still might) then I imagine we would go spend some actual money.
I still think this rumour is bollocks, but really, it's not a a major deal if it is, in fact true... A young English player, for pretty much free, who will have resale value, to (at best) sit on the bench. What's the fuss?
I genuinely think that it shouldn't. Unless we're targeting two players who are around the same quality, then obviously sign the English one because it is more likely he won't want to feck of at Madrid when he becomes great. As I said, Ings is basically on the level of Berardi/Jonathas (although someone might argue that Berardi is better). No-one wants to sign them. People here like to sign the good foreigners (like Dybala or Vietto) who might be compared with Kane (whom again people here like to sign). It's not wanting a foreigner instead of an Englishmen, it is wanting a good player instead of an average one.
Same as back then, I wanted us to sign Mata/Silva instead of Young. Or Aguero instead of Berbatov (who while not English, was familiar with EPL).
Youn think that players who are 20-21 years old will refuse United and increasing their wages for 300-500%?
And why would they not play? Dybala can play anywhere on top 4 and is better than all our attackers bar Rooney.
They can develop in the league they are in now.. I don't see a problem in trying to improve English players considering this is an English league...
Isn't that the whole point!!
I guess the point is that if we have this attitude for Ings, we won't be improving him at all. We'll just halt his development.
It's not that they would refuse, it's that they would expect serious game-time when they get here. If RVP goes this summer I still expect us to sign someone of that ilk, to take the burden off Rooney, Ings isn't a second choice here.
As an aside, how would Dybala fit into our current system exactly? In who's place?
As much as LVG is great, he has been - for most of his career - awful at signings. FFS, he broke out with Bayern because he didn't want them to sign Neuer. He also caused a shitstorm by refusing to play Gomez and only injuries on other players forced him to do so. Coincidentally, that saved his job for a few months considering that Gomez during those months was by far, Bayern's best player.
I think that his weird paradigma of 'system matters, players not' isn't exactly the best. Obviously the system matters, but the better the players the better the results (if the system is implemented well).
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