Danny Ings | Signs for Liverpool (lol)

[Getsme]

Seems to be very underrated on here. I'd happily sign him up. He's worth the gamble.

 

[Hal9000]

Wilson will go on loan Ings will be 3rd choice.

 

[dasty]

So the only signings that we should make are either megastars or the next big thing that is being hyped up in the media? Good ol' scouting no longer works and it's all about signing big names? Cavani, Dybala, Vietto, Lacazatte etc are the only signings we should be making?

FIFA games are ruining the perspective of football fans. Just because you built a all conquering squad in your FIFA doesn't mean you know more about it in real life than LVG.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Ings and Austin are definitely not T4Q, Berahino as a bit more to him.

Berahino seems to have some attitude problems though doesn't he?

 

[Hojoon]

Surely we could find a better backup striker.

 

[LLMU]

Holt?? Have you not seen even one highlight of his? Ings plays almost like a seasoned Spanish forward. Lots of movement and a good eye for goal whilst helping the build up with neat, quick touches.

I don't think i took notice of him yet this season. Probably need to look at some youtube vids

 

[Getsme]

So the only signings that we should make are either megastars or the next big thing that is being hyped up in the media? Good ol' scouting no longer works and it's all about signing big names? Cavani, Dybala, Vietto, Lacazatte etc are the only signings we should be making?

FIFA games are ruining the perspective of football fans. Just because you built a all conquering squad in your FIFA doesn't mean you know more about it in real life than LVG.

Do you even FOOTBALL MANAGER bro?

 

[Insanity]

This is a tough one to judge from the outside. If VG wants Rooney to be our primary striker next season and Van Persie stays, then it would be prudent to get Ings for cheap and have him as our third choice striker, while we send out Wilson on loan. We'll have a lot of games next season with 4 competitions, and I am sure there will be changes in formations which will allow all three get ample game time. However, if Van Persie leaves (which I am not sure will happen as no one will play those wages he is on), then we need someone better to be our first or second choice along with Rooney.

I like the idea of signing either Ings or Berahino this summer and Van Persie staying. I know his stock is down at the moment but I think VP would strive in a lone striker formation. Those 352/442 diamond formations we used with Van Persie/Falcao weren't suited to either players. The Southampton away was a proof of what he can still offer; he single handedly won that game for us.

So, yeah, I like Ings and would be happy if we signed him. It's a riskless deal, if he doesn't work out than I am sure we can sell him for more than double the amount we spend on him.

 

[devilish]

Why should it matter how cheap he is if he's not good enough? I can't think of any time we've bought a player from the Premier League just because he was cheap. Even when Sir Alex was in his "value" mode we didn't show any interest in players like Ings. The closest thing to it was cheap punts like Buttner, de Laet, Obertan etc. and obviously none of them were particularly useful signings.

Ings would just make the squad bloated. He's barely good enough for Liverpool never mind us.

Well most weren't good enough however some of them proved to be quite important players. Blomqvist was rotting in Parma's benches when we stepped in. He proved extremely important during the treble as he allowed us to rest Ryan Giggs. Johnsen was some unknown from Besiktas when we brought him in and he immediately became a first teamer. Rai Van Del Gouw was meant to be Schmeichel's cover but he served us well for many years and would have probably sort our GK problem if only he was younger.

It seem to me that LVG is bracing himself for a one man forward line and I agree with that. We simply lack the exceptional midfielders needed to play with two strikers upfront. Under such circumstances you simply can't have a world class striker cover for another one else we end up in the silly situation of having Rooney playing in CM. Ings may not be a top name but he certainly can score the goals and he wouldn't mind the bench too much. Also if shit hits fan we can sell him quite easily (he's English, young and wouldn't cost us a lot) without losing too much money from him.

Honestly this deal reminds me of Teddy's signing few years back. The mood back then was as dark as can be as we were replacing an icon (Cantona) with someone who wasn't particularly renowned for his talent, technique and magic

 

[devilish]

Why would he come here to sit on the bench?

If we can splurge £200m+ in the transfer market in a couple of years, I don't believe the possible recoupment of 5m/10m on a failed striker is an important consideration. Much more important is that any player we buy is likely to prove a success, and that we don't drop critical points while we're trying to integrate a striker who's not the right fit.

It seems LVG had set to a one striker system with Rooney upfront so yeah the new striker will have to act as cover. Of course we can go for a big name again but that would mean having him bitching through out the season that he's not playing because of this and that or having Rooney play in awkward positions such as LW (SAF) or CM (LVG).

This is not the first time we went for the underwhelming option. Cantona was replaced by Teddy, Hughes by Cole. We were meant to bring Alan Shearer (the best goalmachine the EPL had ever produced) only to end up with an unknown striker from Molde and we were a whisker away from signing Kluivert only to 'settle' with Yorke.

 

[Invictus]

So the only signings that we should make are either megastars or the next big thing that is being hyped up in the media? Good ol' scouting no longer works and it's all about signing big names? Cavani, Dybala, Vietto, Lacazatte etc are the only signings we should be making?

FIFA games are ruining the perspective of football fans. Just because you built a all conquering squad in your FIFA doesn't mean you know more about it in real life than LVG.

Oh god, this semi-antiquated "FIFA game" diatribe again ? Such a patronizing and cliched response. And a great disservice to a lot of people who believe it or not, actually watch the game intently, and can rate players according to what they've seen. As for knowing more about football than Van Gaal, folks are allowed to have opinions, moreover we can't discern one way or another if this is a serious link and whether Louis seriously wants him (The Daily Star and Daily Mail are hardly bastions of journalistic integrity). So just pump the brakes there mmkay.

 

[Wumminator]

It's like when people suggested we should sign Junior Hoilett just because he was out of contract and looked decent-ish for a poor team. You have to be doing something special to go from relegation battler to title challenger, the cost of the player is a secondary concern. Ings hasn't done anything remotely special.

People just like the idea of new players. If they're free, all the better. Top clubs don't follow the same logic.

Come on Brwned that doesnt' have to be true at all. Valencia did the "relegation battle to title challenger" thing so it isn't unheard of. Hell so did Michael Owen (He actually got relegated didn't he?) Ings has good movement and is currently the 15th top scorer in the league. He's not going to be a starter but I don't think it's that out there that his next club could be one higher in the league.

 

[RedRover]

So the only signings that we should make are either megastars or the next big thing that is being hyped up in the media? Good ol' scouting no longer works and it's all about signing big names? Cavani, Dybala, Vietto, Lacazatte etc are the only signings we should be making?

FIFA games are ruining the perspective of football fans. Just because you built a all conquering squad in your FIFA doesn't mean you know more about it in real life than LVG.

The issue here is that singing English players from smaller clubs just isn't fashionable. It pains me to say it but if he were Brazilian, Spanish or German I suspect it might be more acceptable for some.

At the end of the day it should boil down to one thing only - whether that manager (who to his credit has given a lot of players a chance in his career and seems to be able to recognise a talent) rates him. If so then given the quota for homegrown players it seems like a justifiable risk.

 

[limerickcitykid]

Come on Brwned that doesnt' have to be true at all. Valencia did the "relegation battle to title challenger" thing so it isn't unheard of. Hell so did Michael Owen (He actually got relegated didn't he?) Ings has good movement and is currently the 15th top scorer in the league. He's not going to be a starter but I don't think it's that out there that his next club could be one higher in the league.

Not to mention Roy Keane. Loic Remy is now Chelsea's back up and he was relegated with QPR, James McCarthy was relegated with Wigan and is probably Everton's best player. There are likely countless others too. You need to rate the player not the fact his team got relegated.

 

[devilish]

The issue here is that singing English players from smaller clubs just isn't fashionable. It pains me to say it but if he were Brazilian, Spanish or German I suspect it might be more acceptable for some.

At the end of the day it should boil down to one thing only - whether that manager (who to his credit has given a lot of players a chance in his career and seems to be able to recognise a talent) rates him. If so then given the quota for homegrown players it seems like a justifiable risk.

I can't care less about nationality to be honest and you can't really compare the wealth in terms of talent between England and Germany/Spain/Brazil.

Ings is not world class. However we can't afford having two world class strikers at the moment as we're playing with just one striker upfront.

 

[ForlansHair]

He's already equalled Welbeck's best ever season in the premier league, and done it playing in the second worst team in the division. Also has a better record than when Welbeck was on loan at Sunderland at similar stages of their careers. Yet people were distraught we sold Welbeck.

You can't have 3 world class strikers in a 4-3-3. Ings isn't world class but he is very good. He's no Lambert. I would love Ings here, he'd score plenty of goals for us - and yes, I wouldn't mind Ings leading the line against Madrid, better than having Welbeck, Falcao or Chicharito doing it.

 

[Godfather]

Would be another signing we would sell on within 2 years.

 

[devilish]

He's already equalled Welbeck's best ever season in the premier league, and done it playing in the second worst team in the division. Also has a better record than when Welbeck was on loan at Sunderland at similar stages of their careers. Yet people were distraught we sold Welbeck.

You can't have 3 world class strikers in a 4-3-3. Ings isn't world class but he is very good. He's no Lambert. I would love Ings here, he'd score plenty of goals for us - and yes, I wouldn't mind Ings leading the line against Madrid, better than having Welbeck, Falcao or Chicharito doing it.

this

we're used to underwhelming strikers who ended up serving us well. Teddy was nowhere near to Cantona. Yorke and Cole weren't the supporter's (or SAF's for all that matter) no 1 choice and no one had ever heard about Ole before he actually signed with us.

 

[Sarni]

My small fear is that bringing a top class centre forward (Cavani) or one of the brightest talents around (Lacazette, Dybala, Vietto) will force us to play them on a pretty much regular basis which would cause us to play Rooney in midfield, and that'd disrupt the side.

Then again I feel I wouldn't be confident if we were to play Bayern and we were forced to play Ings.

 

[RedMachine03]

I think this transfer depends upon Van Persie's situation. If RVP leaves then we will have to buy a top quality striker and have Wilson as backup but if he doesn't leave then we will have Rooney, RVP and Ings (potentially) as strikers next season with Wilson going on loan.

 

[Brwned]

Well most weren't good enough however some of them proved to be quite important players. Blomqvist was rotting in Parma's benches when we stepped in. He proved extremely important during the treble as he allowed us to rest Ryan Giggs. Johnsen was some unknown from Besiktas when we brought him in and he immediately became a first teamer. Rai Van Del Gouw was meant to be Schmeichel's cover but he served us well for many years and would have probably sort our GK problem if only he was younger.

It seem to me that LVG is bracing himself for a one man forward line and I agree with that. We simply lack the exceptional midfielders needed to play with two strikers upfront. Under such circumstances you simply can't have a world class striker cover for another one else we end up in the silly situation of having Rooney playing in CM. Ings may not be a top name but he certainly can score the goals and he wouldn't mind the bench too much. Also if shit hits fan we can sell him quite easily (he's English, young and wouldn't cost us a lot) without losing too much money from him.

Honestly this deal reminds me of Teddy's signing few years back. The mood back then was as dark as can be as we were replacing an icon (Cantona) with someone who wasn't particularly renowned for his talent, technique and magic

Come on Brwned that doesnt' have to be true at all. Valencia did the "relegation battle to title challenger" thing so it isn't unheard of. Hell so did Michael Owen (He actually got relegated didn't he?) Ings has good movement and is currently the 15th top scorer in the league. He's not going to be a starter but I don't think it's that out there that his next club could be one higher in the league.

The key difference between Owen, Sheringham, Blomqvist, Johnsen and co. is that no-one was saying this about them:

Also if shit hits fan we can sell him quite easily (he's English, young and wouldn't cost us a lot) without losing too much money from him.

It's a common theme in this thread - he's cheap so there's no risk attached because his re-sale value will be more or less in line with his cost. It's true, but that hardly ever factors into our transfer policy. We don't buy players because they won't cost us any money, we buy them because they're good enough. Similar logic was applied when Liverpool bought Lambert last year and he was playing better than Ings ever has.

I just think he wouldn't be mentioned at all if it wasn't for the fact he's available on a free in the summer.

As for being the 16th top scorer...here are some others in the last 10 seasons that were in and around that:

13/14 - Adebayor (30 years old)
12/13 - Adam La Fondre (12 goals), Steven Fletcher, Arouna Kone (11 goals)
11/12 - Steven Fletcher, Danny Graham (12 goals)
10/11 - Andy Carroll, DJ Campbell (13 goals)
09/10 - Cameron Jerome (11 goals)
08/09 - Ricardo Fuller (11 goals), Kenwyne Jones, Carlton Cole (10 goals)
07/08 - Dave Kitson (10 goals)
06/07 - Zamora (11 goals), Heskey (10 goals)
05/06 - Henri Camara (12 goals), Collins John (11 goals)
04/05 - Earnshaw (11 goals), Heskey (10 goals)

Is that really the standard we're looking at?

 

[Golden Nugget]

Providing he is brought in as a 3rd choice striker (and not second choice) - I am more than happy with Ings coming in, especially as he would be cheap. I don't either of them week in week out, but I do think Berahino is the more talented of the two. He can also do a job out wide if needed.

I do hope we keep Van Persie, as we will more than likely do have European football next season and there is a need for a good second choice striker (if Rooney is still the first choice). I like the idea of having Ings and Wilson as the backup to them, rather than having someone like Falcao - who really needs to be starting.

 

[Varun]

The key difference between Owen, Sheringham, Blomqvist, Johnsen and co. is that no-one was saying this about them:



It's a common theme in this thread - he's cheap so there's no risk attached because his re-sale value will be more or less in line with his cost. It's true, but that hardly ever factors into our transfer policy. We don't buy players because they won't cost us any money, we buy them because they're good enough. Similar logic was applied when Liverpool bought Lambert last year and he was playing better than Ings ever has.

I just think he wouldn't be mentioned at all if it wasn't for the fact he's available on a free in the summer.

I havent watched enough of Ings to judge how good he can be but this bit is spot on. Wanting him because he's free anyways just isn't the way we do business. He should only be bought if he's good enough to have a future here.

 

[Heardy]

My small fear is that bringing a top class centre forward (Cavani) or one of the brightest talents around (Lacazette, Dybala, Vietto) will force us to play them on a pretty much regular basis which would cause us to play Rooney in midfield, and that'd disrupt the side.

Then again I feel I wouldn't be confident if we were to play Bayern and we were forced to play Ings.

You'd have said the same about Di Maria walking into the first XI every week though. It'd entirely depend on their contribution. The fact that we've had Falcao and Di Maria on the bench whilst Young and Fellaini have being bossing it on the pitch tells you that Van Gaal doesn't bow to the ego's of players!

 

[Sarni]

You'd have said the same about Di Maria walking into the first XI every week though. It'd entirely depend on their contribution. The fact that we've had Falcao and Di Maria on the bench whilst Young and Fellaini have being bossing it on the pitch tells you that Van Gaal doesn't bow to the ego's of players!

That's a great point actually.

 

[Varun]

My small fear is that bringing a top class centre forward (Cavani) or one of the brightest talents around (Lacazette, Dybala, Vietto) will force us to play them on a pretty much regular basis which would cause us to play Rooney in midfield, and that'd disrupt the side.

Then again I feel I wouldn't be confident if we were to play Bayern and we were forced to play Ings.

I wouldn't want another top name either. I can't see us letting go of RVP so a young striker with potential should be our target.

 

[devilish]

The key difference between Owen, Sheringham, Blomqvist, Johnsen and co. is that no-one was saying this about them:



It's a common theme in this thread - he's cheap so there's no risk attached because his re-sale value will be more or less in line with his cost. It's true, but that hardly ever factors into our transfer policy. We don't buy players because they won't cost us any money, we buy them because they're good enough. Similar logic was applied when Liverpool bought Lambert last year and he was playing better than Ings ever has.

I just think he wouldn't be mentioned at all if it wasn't for the fact he's available on a free in the summer.

Well other arguments were made which were pretty much on the same lines

Teddy - he's experienced and will allow Scholes transition to first team less daunting (at that time Scholes was considered Cantona's natural replacement)

Ole - we need a 4th choice striker don't we?

Owen/Larsson - well they are free and on short term contracts. There's no risks signing them up right?

Johnsen - WTF?

Van Gouw - well we need a goalkeeper to keep the bench warm

 

[Litch]

Di I pass a judgement on ADM? I said I was critical of him because of us financing Madrid's coffer and ADM's heart was not set on joining us in the first place. Had PSG not been imposed with the UEFA fair play ban he would have gone there and not to us. I never said he was a bad player or not United's quality.

So your not passing judgement on ADM 'heart not being set on joining us'? Unless your related to him or a close friend, I equally hate how fans seem to think they know what players think? Give me a quote where he's said that?

 

[Revan]

The issue here is that singing English players from smaller clubs just isn't fashionable. It pains me to say it but if he were Brazilian, Spanish or German I suspect it might be more acceptable for some.

At the end of the day it should boil down to one thing only - whether that manager (who to his credit has given a lot of players a chance in his career and seems to be able to recognise a talent) rates him. If so then given the quota for homegrown players it seems like a justifiable risk.

I completely disagree. No-one here is screaming to get mediocre players that are Brazilians, Spanish or Germans. People want the best players, regardless of their nationality. The likes of Vietto, Dybala, Lacazette or Kane. Not Ings or any equivalents from outside.

The homegrown quota shouldn't worry us. If it gets accepted - big if - it will start being applied on 2020. 5 years from now. If we sign Ings, 5 years from now he won't be here anyway.

 

[Sarni]

I completely disagree. No-one here is screaming to get mediocre players that are Brazilians, Spanish or Germans. People want the best players, regardless of their nationality. The likes of Vietto, Dybala, Lacazette or Kane. Not Ings or any equivalents from outside.

The homegrown quota shouldn't worry us. If it gets accepted - big if - it will start being applied on 2020. 5 years from now. If we sign Ings, 5 years from now he won't be here anyway.

Why not?

 

[RedRover]

I can't care less about nationality to be honest and you can't really compare the wealth in terms of talent between England and Germany/Spain/Brazil.

Ings is not world class. However we can't afford having two world class strikers at the moment as we're playing with just one striker upfront.

I'm not trying to compare anything, simly stating a fact that some fans seem to love the romance of signing a foreign player over an unfashionable one from a club like Burnley. The reality is he's a lad already playing in the PL and doing alright in his first season while playing for a frankly very poor side. I think he's done enough to suggest he's got a shot at stepping up a level and doing alright.

 

[dasty]

Do you even FOOTBALL MANAGER bro?

Yes I do, and if you do you should know that even in FM there are players that you can't sign unless you offer astronomical amounts. There isn't such a concern in FIFA.

 

[Brwned]

I'm not trying to comapre anuything, simly stating a fact that some fans seem to love the romance of signing a foreign player over an unfashionable one from a club like Burnley. The relaity is he's a lad already playing in the PL and doing alright in his first season while playing for a frankly very poor side. I think he's done enough to suggest he's got a shot at stepping up a level and doing alright.

Agreed. Let's sign DJ Campbell too. Scored more goals than Ings in less games for an even worse team (Blackpool).

 

[RedRover]

I completely disagree. No-one here is screaming to get mediocre players that are Brazilians, Spanish or Germans. People want the best players, regardless of their nationality. The likes of Vietto, Dybala, Lacazette or Kane. Not Ings or any equivalents from outside.

The homegrown quota shouldn't worry us. If it gets accepted - big if - it will start being applied on 2020. 5 years from now. If we sign Ings, 5 years from now he won't be here anyway.

The issue is that in reality a lot of people will have only watched this had half a dozen times at best. I suspect that if United sign him then Van Gaal (or someone close to him and trusted to make those decisions) has watched him a lot more.

People moan on here when we overpay for players left and right, yet when the scouting system might actually turn up a half decent deal for the club then people still moan.

If the club complete this then its because they think he has the potential to offer something. I don't hold with this idea that we should be paying £30 or £40 million for players in every position (young or not) simply because that's what fans might want.

Van Gaal wants to build a squad capable of competing across 4 competitions and potentially 50 or 60 games a season. Despite having a decent budget he cannot I suspect justify going out and buying two strikers for mega money. It looks like RVP will go, and its a certainty that Falcao is gone. Wilson may go out on loan - which might be the making of him. If so then we might need a player like this who will be glad of the chance and has the hunger to try and make a go of it, perhaps alongside another big name who may also come in.

 

[RedRover]

Agreed. Let's sign DJ Campbell too. Scored more goals than Ings in less games for an even worse team (Blackpool).

What a thoroughly pointless post.

 

[devilish]

I'm not trying to comapre anuything, simly stating a fact that some fans seem to love the romance of signing a foreign player over an unfashionable one from a club like Burnley. The relaity is he's a lad already playing in the PL and doing alright in his first season while playing for a frankly very poor side. I think he's done enough to suggest he's got a shot at stepping up a level and doing alright.

You'll find all sorts of fans. Some get excited with the foreign names and others tend to do the same with the next England's thing. I am sure that people like @Brwned etc can still recall the fans wet dreams whenever names like Joe Cole and Reo-Coker were linked to us. There was a particular posters lately who had already crowned the Harry Kane as a better player then Dwight Yorke.

 

[dasty]

Oh god, this semi-antiquated "FIFA game" diatribe again ? Such a patronizing and cliched response. And a great disservice to a lot of people who believe it or not, actually watch the game intently, and can rate players according to what they've seen. As for knowing more about football than Van Gaal, folks are allowed to have opinions, moreover we can't discern one way or another if this is a serious link and whether Louis seriously wants him (The Daily Star and Daily Mail are hardly bastions of journalistic integrity). So just pump the brakes there mmkay.

If there are people who had actually watched him and thinks he is not the quality that we need, fair enough. But just take a quick look at the posts here and you will see that a lot of people doesn't want him because he is from a relegation-threatened team, doesn't score enough or simply isn't as fancy a signing as Dybala, Vietto etc is.

 

[Revan]

Why not?

Cause he isn't that good.

The issue is that in reality a lot of people will have only watched this had half a dozen times at best. I suspect that if United sign him then Van Gaal (or someone close to him and trusted to make those decisions) has watched him a lot more.

People moan on here when we overpay for players left and right, yet when the scouting system might actually turn up a half decent deal for the club then people still moan.

If the club complete this then its because they think he has the potential to offer something. I don't hold with this idea that we should be paying £30 or £40 million for players in every position (young or not) simply because that's what fans might want.

Van Gaal wants to build a squad capable of competing across 4 competitions and potentially 50 or 60 games a season. Despite having a decent budget he cannot I suspect justify going out and buying two strikers for mega money. It looks like RVP will go, and its a certainty that Falcao is gone. Wilson may go out on loan - which might be the making of him. If so then we might need a player like this who will be glad of the chance and has the hunger to try and make a go of it, perhaps alongside another big name who may also come in.

Clubs make awful decisions all the time and Van Gaal's achiles heel has always been transfers.

Ings isn't and won't ever be good enough for United. Quote me on that.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

How come this isn't being treated as usual made-up rumour bollocks?

 

[pierrethesnack]

I am not quite sure why so many people are writing off RvP. He's 31, not 35.

Many fans seem to forget that he was actually playing quite well under Moyes, despite the entire team underperforming.

If he's able to work up some sharpness, he can easily get us 20 goals next season.

I am all for rejuvenating the team before it's too late, but the way I see it we are not in dire need of a striker just yet.