Danny Ings | Signs for Liverpool (lol)

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I don't see the point of signing him just because he is "low risk" or "cheap".

The key question will he add something to the squad. I don't think he will. Don't think Ings is good enough and I'd rather not stunt Wilson's progress by adding someone else between him and the first team.

Going into next season with Rooney, RVP and Wilson is good enough if we plan to play with one striker. RVP will still get you goals, he's 31 not 37.

Liverpool were rightly mocked by this forum for signing Lambert on a similar rationale of being cheap and a good plan B. The signing has shown itself to be flawed. Now most of this forum wants us to sign Ings with the same rationale.
 
legball said:
Sorry but that is not true. He preferred Backstuber, while the hierarchy wanted a new CB.
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Revan said:
@Balu
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Badstuber was never a part of the problem, the club always wanted him to do well and planned with him as a regular starter. We didn't replace him after van Gaal left either. We bought Boateng to partner Badstuber in 2011.
 
Balu said:
Badstuber was never a part of the problem, the club always wanted him to do well and planned with him as a regular starter. We didn't replace him after van Gaal left either. We bought Boateng to partner Badstuber in 2011.
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Is it true than one of the biggest problem was that LVG didn't want Neuer?

I am pretty sure that I've read for this multiple times.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
I don't see the point of signing him just because he is "low risk" or "cheap".

The key question will he add something to the squad. I don't think he will. Don't think Ings is good enough and I'd rather not stunt Wilson's progress by adding someone else between him and the first team.

Going into next season with Rooney, RVP and Wilson is good enough if we plan to play with one striker. RVP will still get you goals, he's 31 not 37.

Liverpool were rightly mocked by this forum for signing Lambert on a similar rationale of being cheap and a good plan B. The signing has shown itself to be flawed. Now most of this forum wants us to sign Ings with the same rationale.
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Will RVP accept a backup role? He came here to win trophies not to sit on the bench I would much prefer a motivated young striker on £50,000 p/w than a sulking 31 year old on £250,000 p/w.
 
finneh said:
Don't be ridiculous, Hernandez is a much better player at this moment in time. Also, how do you think Ings will do this "growing as a player", whilst warming the bench week in, week out?

Logic would suggest going into the season with Rooney, RVP & Wilson would be perfectly fine if we are playing one striker. Or if Van Gaal has his heart set on sending Wilson out on loan, why not get a quality forward player who can play across all the front positions?
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I think Ings has a better first touch and better linkup play, with a frame more suited to holding up the ball and playing the lone frontman the way Van Gaal would like. What exactly makes Hernandez a much better player given he's spent two to three consecutive years of his career as somewhat of a non-entity?

Hernandez' likability and subsequent popularity has bought him a lot of good will during his time at United. But the reality is that aside from the odd important goal, most of which came about earlier in his career, he persistently underwhelmed. He demonstrates nothing at all that currently suggests he's anywhere near as good a player many people like to think he is.

Fair point regarding Ings and playing time. United is very possibly the wrong move for him. Game time is paramount to development, and we've seen first hand how players can stall while being rotated every single week.

I also agree that we could do with a versatile forward player. I've thought that for a while. But that doesn't mean we can't discuss the merits of bringing in Ings, and I think there are genuine merits there to take advantage of. If it doesn't work out, so be it.
 
Revan said:
Is it true than one of the biggest problem was that LVG didn't want Neuer?

I am pretty sure that I've read for this multiple times.
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It was more a power struggle between van Gaal and Hoeneß, which lead to van Gaal acting like a complete idiot in regards to the Neuer signing. There were already problems before that and once van Gaal failed to get results and looked completely lost and out of ideas to solve the problems of the team, he had to go. I'd say the way he acted regarding Neuer was more the tip of the iceberg, but it was a huge deal.
 
Balu said:
It was more a power struggle between van Gaal and Hoeneß, which lead to van Gaal acting like a complete idiot in regards to the Neuer signing. There were already problems before that and once van Gaal failed to get results and looked completely lost and out of ideas to solve the problems of the team, he had to go. I'd say the way he acted regarding Neuer was more the tip of the iceberg, but it was a huge deal.
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Yeah I can't see him saying he didn't want Neuer if he had a normal relationship with the people above him. That was like blatantly just going against what they wanted
 
If Arsenal, Chelsea, PSG, Bayern, Dortmund, Atletico, Barcelona or Real bought Danny Ings then we would be laughing.

He's a Liverpool/Spurs signing at best.
 
Would be a decent option on a free as 4th choice... About it. Not saying he's shite, but he's probably not good enough for a europa league level team yet, let alone one that aspires to challenge for the title. He has been pretty good for a team that will probably get relegated and doesn't exactly have a great scoring record.

Not sure there is much between him and Berahino, but neither are even close to the level we should go for. We need to go for someone like Vietto/Dybala/Lacazette if we want another striker, not one of the decent at best english youngsters.
 
bosnian_red said:
Would be a decent option on a free as 4th choice... About it. Not saying he's shite, but he's probably not good enough for a europa league level team yet, let alone one that aspires to challenge for the title. He has been pretty good for a team that will probably get relegated and doesn't exactly have a great scoring record.

Not sure there is much between him and Berahino, but neither are even close to the level we should go for. We need to go for someone like Vietto/Dybala/Lacazette if we want another striker, not one of the decent at best english youngsters.
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Vietto and Dybala's record aren't better than Berahino and they hardly any more proven.I think Dybala has massive potential but your argument isn't really convincing.
 
khoazany said:
Vietto and Dybala's record aren't better than Berahino and they hardly any more proven.I think Dybala has massive potential but your argument isn't really convincing.
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Not just goalscoring record, I'm saying overall quality. Vietto's goalscoring record is far better anyways. But overall ability, both are far more talented then Berahino, it's not even close really. They have the potential to be world class players, while being at a good level already.
 
Berahino is also a lot better than Danny Ings. So many other options...
 
Revan said:
Youn think that players who are 20-21 years old will refuse United and increasing their wages for 300-500%?

And why would they not play? Dybala can play anywhere on top 4 and is better than all our attackers bar Rooney.
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Vietto is apparently Atletico priority, so yes he will ask for game time or he will chose an other club who give him that game time.
 
JPRouve said:
Vietto is apparently Atletico priority, so yes he will ask for game time or he will chose an other club who give him that game time.
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Torres, Agüero, Costa and now Vietto. That club certainly has an eye for strikers.
 
Kag said:
I think Ings has a better first touch and better linkup play, with a frame more suited to holding up the ball and playing the lone frontman the way Van Gaal would like. What exactly makes Hernandez a much better player given he's spent two to three consecutive years of his career as somewhat of a non-entity?

Hernandez' likability and subsequent popularity has bought him a lot of good will during his time at United. But the reality is that aside from the odd important goal, most of which came about earlier in his career, he persistently underwhelmed. He demonstrates nothing at all that currently suggests he's anywhere near as good a player many people like to think he is.

Fair point regarding Ings and playing time. United is very possibly the wrong move for him. Game time is paramount to development, and we've seen first hand how players can stall while being rotated every single week.

I also agree that we could do with a versatile forward player. I've thought that for a while. But that doesn't mean we can't discuss the merits of bringing in Ings, and I think there are genuine merits there to take advantage of. If it doesn't work out, so be it.
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Hernandez has had a consistently great scoring record for club and country since he arrived at United. I believe he's maintained a record of better than a goal every 180 minutes since he arrived, which is better than any of our squad this season.

I think people forget about him being crucial I'm us winning a Premier League title. He's comfortably a 20 goal a season striker when given game time.

He's so far ahead of Ings at the moment I don't understand how anyone can compare them.
 
finneh said:
Hernandez has had a consistently great scoring record for club and country since he arrived at United. I believe he's maintained a record of better than a goal every 180 minutes since he arrived, which is better than any of our squad this season.

I think people forget about him being crucial I'm us winning a Premier League title. He's comfortably a 20 goal a season striker when given game time.

He's so far ahead of Ings at the moment I don't understand how anyone can compare them.
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One of them hasn't kicked a ball in two years while the other one has. He isn't so far ahead at all. The goals to minutes ratio is of course impressive but there is more to playing up top than the numbers.

I think the prediction is that Ings makes the step up the league next season and does exactly what you're suggesting Hernandez can do. At a better side it's very possible that his numbers improve in line with the rising quality of his surrounding players.

Ings is playing in the Premier League for Burnley and doing it well. He's also better at the things I outlined earlier, such a playing the lone frontman and linking up the play, which you haven't really disputed. Probably because the awkward truth for many people is that Hernandez is really quite horrible at everything and anything outside of the six yard box.
 
Attila said:
Torres, Agüero, Costa and now Vietto. That club certainly has an eye for strikers.
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Steven Fletcher, Jay Rodriguez, Charlie Austin, and now Danny Ings. Have all made their names at Burnley. For a mid-championship sized club, thats pretty impressive I think.
 
We shouldn't be making "squad signings" we should be buying players who we feel can come in a be a real force in the squad in term of challenging for starts and who are either ready to step up to CL level or already have. Firmino or Dybala are the type of young quality player we should be looking at, in other words players who just might be able to step up and be the next big thing.

Ings is a strange one, the little I've seen hasn't overly impressed me, but I have a feeling that if it is LVG who has given the green light for him then he possibly has looked at Rooney in terms of his robust, physical and high energy style and he wants a similar type of quality in the strikers he brings in.

I'd much rather see Wilson given the minutes that Ings would get but perhaps next season might be too soon to expect Wilson to really challenge for starts and perhaps a loan may suit him better.
 
It's hard to keep 3 or 4 strikers happy when you play a one striker formation. Wenger has struggled with that issue for a few years until recently because he's finally got a couple of players who can play the wide positions as well. If we're to bring in another striker it makes more sense for it to be a hybrid forward who can play two or three roles, which Ings is not.

He'd be wasted here behind Wayne and RVP and lose match sharpness just as Hernandez did. In my opinion he's better off going straight to Sunderland rather than end up there via two years on our bench.
 
What's the attraction in signing a player with 9 goals so far this season? i don't get it.
 
soap said:
Forlan and falcao too!
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Wow that is actually ridiculous. The only way I'm going to be convinced of the Danny Ings transfer is if Atletico start sniffing about.

In all seriousness though United need to stop messing around with these 'value for money signings'. Ings is midtable trash. I have no idea why people are trying to justify it.
 
Attila said:
Wow that is actually ridiculous. The only way I'm going to be convinced of the Danny Ings transfer is if Atletico start sniffing about.

In all seriousness though United need to stop messing around with these 'value for money signings'. Ings is midtable trash. I have no idea why people are trying to justify it.
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Clubs should just buy whichever striker atletico are interested in I agree
 
Attila said:
Berahino is also a lot better than Danny Ings. So many other options...
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Yes but he would cost 20 million and ings would cost next to nothing .
If ings proves not good enough he could be flogged for at least 5 million (maybe more with his age) . Whether ings is good enough or not it's a no brainer from a money point of view .
 
Attila said:
Torres, Agüero, Costa and now Vietto. That club certainly has an eye for strikers.
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Falcao too. Costa was unknown before Atletico and Torres was academy product. Aguero, Vietto and Falcao had all been rated very highly before Atletico came knocking.
 
Tarrou said:
He'd be wasted here behind Wayne and RVP and lose match sharpness just as Hernandez did. In my opinion he's better off going straight to Sunderland rather than end up there via two years on our bench.
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He will earn more at United, he will have a far greater chance to play for the England senior side, he will get the chance to play in the Champions League and when you sign for United you become a star in England.

He would be an idiot to turn the chance down for Sunderland FFS!
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He will earn more at United, he will have a far greater chance to play for the England senior side, he will get the chance to play in the Champions League and when you sign for United you become a star in England.

He would be an idiot to turn the chance down for Sunderland FFS!
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I don't think he should go to that type of club now, I just think he'd be better off doing that than coming here. Unless of course he values money and fame and the chance to play in a UCL dead rubber once a season over becoming a better footballer.

He'd surely have a much better shot at becoming a regular at a club a tier below United, and would still get his England chance. You don't get many chances for England after sitting on the bench for two years.
 
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