Danny Ings | Signs for Liverpool (lol)

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Tarrou said:
He'd surely have a much better shot at becoming a regular at a club a tier below United, and would still get his England chance. You don't get many chances for England after sitting on the bench for two years.
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If you play for Sunderland as an average player you have very little chance of getting into the England squad. If you play for a top club a la Cleverley, then you get to queue jump.

It is about believing in his own ability to be good enough to win a place at United. I don't think he will be joining and be not expecting to prove his worth and conquer the world.

These are professional athletes.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
If you play for Sunderland as an average player you have very little chance of getting into the England squad. If you play for a top club a la Cleverley, then you get to queue jump.

It is about believing in his own ability to be good enough to win a place at United. I don't think he will be joining and be not expecting to prove his worth and conquer the world.

These are professional athletes.
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Yes I agree with that, but look at Cleverley now, his England career has gone to shit. I'm not begrudging Ings his right to come to United and give it his best shot, I'm just being pragmatic about it. I don't think it's a good move for his development.

If you are a regular at a 5th/6th level team and do well you get your England chance too. If he doesn't come here he clearly won't go to Sunderland!
 
Kag said:
One of them hasn't kicked a ball in two years while the other one has. He isn't so far ahead at all. The goals to minutes ratio is of course impressive but there is more to playing up top than the numbers.

I think the prediction is that Ings makes the step up the league next season and does exactly what you're suggesting Hernandez can do. At a better side it's very possible that his numbers improve in line with the rising quality of his surrounding players.

Ings is playing in the Premier League for Burnley and doing it well. He's also better at the things I outlined earlier, such a playing the lone frontman and linking up the play, which you haven't really disputed. Probably because the awkward truth for many people is that Hernandez is really quite horrible at everything and anything outside of the six yard box.
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I think you are massively overplaying how bad Hernandez is in general. Go back an re-read the threads on him a few years ago and you'll see that he was praised not only for his goals, but his intelligent running, hard work and a big improvement in his link up play. Obviously he isn't World Class, but he's far superior to Ings. My prediction is that Hernandez goes to a club like Dortmund, Valencia or Roma next season and scores 20+ goals in all competitions, whilst Ings goes to someone like Spurs or Liverpool and is used as a backup to better players already at their club.

I also don't massively rate Ings' link up play or ability to play as a lone frontman. Just like Hernandez he's best when he plays with another front man in Vokes.

The simple fact is no-one would be talking about him if he wasn't available for free. For a club like United we should either be looking at one of the best young talents in the world to develop into a replacement for RVP and then Rooney or a quality player with 4-5 years left in the tank that we don't have to worry about stunting their development and who will replace RVP next year and push both of them in the present.

Personally I don't even think we need a striker at the moment. Just keep Rooney, RVP & Wilson next season and replace RVP with a world class striker in 2016.
 
Baffling thread, he's a very ordinary player - no way is he getting signed by any big club.
 
Sheldon69 said:
Yes but he would cost 20 million and ings would cost next to nothing .
If ings proves not good enough he could be flogged for at least 5 million (maybe more with his age) . Whether ings is good enough or not it's a no brainer from a money point of view .
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Club isn't really struggling for money that they need to resort to buying inferior players because of the value.
 
Ings would be a bit of a pointless signing IMO - not good enough to slot straight into the first XI and hasn't really got the potential to be a real star, so waste of development playing time as well. Go for player with real potential like Dybala or Fekir
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Tevez scored 7 for West Ham. Irrelevant. Playing for a relegation threatened side will naturally mean less goals.
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Tevez was a well known talent before coming to the premier league, his performances for west ham at the end of that season were incredible. Ings on the other hand is having his first season in the spotlight, 9 goals is nothing special, his next step should be newcastle or villa not united.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Ings would be a bit of a pointless signing IMO - not good enough to slot straight into the first XI and hasn't really got the potential to be a real star, so waste of development playing time as well. Go for player with real potential like Dybala or Fekir
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Signing either of those two would stunt Januzaj who i think will mature into a forward.
 
Someone said:
Tevez was a well known talent before coming to the premier league, his performances for west ham at the end of that season were incredible. Ings on the other hand is having his first season in the spotlight, 9 goals is nothing special, his next step should be newcastle or villa not united.
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That's fine, but what I meant was that bringing up his goal-tally isn't really a good indicator of how a player from a relegation battling side can handle a big club.
 
This could actually be a genius move by the wily Dutchman, but the only way to judge it is to see who else is brought in and who's shipped out. If we do bring in Bale (not happening, but just sayin'), Ings looks more a useful squad man than our salvation buy, if it were the case that no other attacking players are brought in and we shipped off RvP.
 
Ings would be a good fit for Liverpool.

that's not a compliment by the way
 
Attila said:
Club isn't really struggling for money that they need to resort to buying inferior players because of the value.
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Im sure if LVG decides to get ings in on a free it's because he rates him and thinks he can become a valuable squad member .
He wouldn't go for him if he thought he was "inferior" .
It was my opinion that it was a win win with ings . He as the ability to easily be 4 th choice striker and if he fails he can be flogged for a profit .
It's ok buying players like dybala and the like but will they sit on the bench most of the season ?
 
Sheldon69 said:
Im sure if LVG decides to get ings in on a free it's because he rates him and thinks he can become a valuable squad member .
He wouldn't go for him if he thought he was "inferior" .
It was my opinion that it was a win win with ings . He as the ability to easily be 4 th choice striker and if he fails he can be flogged for a profit .
It's ok buying players like dybala and the like but will they sit on the bench most of the season ?
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If the stories of RVP leaving are true and with Falcao leaving as well, then there will be plenty of opportunities for Rooney/Dybala over a 50+ match season. Rotation will be needed and injuries will occur. I would much rather we spent £30m on Dybala than £5m on Ings.
 
Attila said:
If the stories of RVP leaving are true and with Falcao leaving as well, then there will be plenty of opportunities for Rooney/Dybala over a 50+ match season. Rotation will be needed and injuries will occur. I would much rather we spent £30m on Dybala than £5m on Ings.
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Ive not seen much of dybala so can't really comment . I'm not saying ings will be first ,second or even third choice but I would like us to have a nice pool of British players as we are tending to buy foreign all the time now .
When carrick and Rooney move on I've a feeling we will be fielding a predominantly foreign line up with maybe only shaw and smalling English .
Most people wouldn't care as long as we are successfull but I would take a punt on ings and see what he can do .
 
Sheldon69 said:
Ive not seen much of dybala so can't really comment . I'm not saying ings will be first ,second or even third choice but I would like us to have a nice pool of British players as we are tending to buy foreign all the time now .
When carrick and Rooney move on I've a feeling we will be fielding a predominantly foreign line up with maybe only shaw and smalling English .
Most people wouldn't care as long as we are successfull but I would take a punt on ings and see what he can do .
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Lets just say that Dybala looks like he could be the worlds next wordclass striker. Incredible speed, fantastic dribbling ability, drops back and links up play, has a fantastic finish on him as well. Danny Ings is british and cheap.

Honestly we have Shaw, Smalling, Jones, Rooney, Young, Wilson and it looks like Clyne. If you want British players there's nothing wrong with that as long as they are actually quality like Stones.
 
Attila said:
Lets just say that Dybala looks like he could be the worlds next wordclass striker. Incredible speed, fantastic dribbling ability, drops back and links up play, has a fantastic finish on him as well. Danny Ings is british and cheap.

Honestly we have Shaw, Smalling, Jones, Rooney, Young, Wilson and it looks like Clyne. If you want British players there's nothing wrong with that as long as they are actually quality like Stones.
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I get were your coming from but I think your being a bit harsh on ings .
I'm not saying he's the next shearer but I'd take him on the figures quoted and see what he can do .
Going back to the English players I don't fancy clyne one bit after watching him in the recent internationals . His distribution was awful and he loses to many one on ones for me . I also think jones will make way for a new centre half next season and young will be phased out when/if depay comes . Rooneys coming up to 30 and carrick 33 and Wilson's a work in progress .
Out of curiosity would it worry you if we went the city route and played nearly all foreign players at the end of van gaals reign in charge ?
I'm not saying it's right or wrong but it would seem strange if we we went the city/Chelsea way .
Back to ings !! I would give him a go in our squad replacing Hernandez ,but obviously you think he's not at our level !
I guess we will agree to disagree mate !
 
Sheldon69 said:
I get were your coming from but I think your being a bit harsh on ings .
I'm not saying he's the next shearer but I'd take him on the figures quoted and see what he can do .
Going back to the English players I don't fancy clyne one bit after watching him in the recent internationals . His distribution was awful and he loses to many one on ones for me . I also think jones will make way for a new centre half next season and young will be phased out when/if depay comes . Rooneys coming up to 30 and carrick 33 and Wilson's a work in progress .
Out of curiosity would it worry you if we went the city route and played nearly all foreign players at the end of van gaals reign in charge ?
I'm not saying it's right or wrong but it would seem strange if we we went the city/Chelsea way .
Back to ings !! I would give him a go in our squad replacing Hernandez ,but obviously you think he's not at our level !
I guess we will agree to disagree mate !
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I agree with you that Clyne is average. Jones will stay and Evans will be the one to go though. We are going to have at least two english players in our first 11 for a long time with Smalling and Shaw.

Like Stones, Bale and Sterling are fantastic english/british players and those would be great additions to United's team. But buying english just because they are english is the wrong route to take in my opinion. Danny Ings is bang average and would be a baffling signing.
 
why are we even intersted in him? This is Spurs/liverpool type signing not a top 4 team signing.
 
He's a good player and at 23 a lot of time to mature. If you look year on year how he has progressed, I can definitely see why people are looking at him. He's scoring and leading the line for a team that has zero midfield, it's quite impressive. If we also did get him, it's not like we'd get shot of Rooney for him, any striker that comes in will have to play second fiddle until they can prove themselves and I reckon some one like him or Berainho would try harder than most others.
 
Safe to say he won't be coming here if he's after game time. Liverpool? Spurs? Everton? Newcastle?
 
He was linked with Real Sociedad a while ago. Would be a good move for him.
 
Come on, Ings is a more all-rounded player than Berahino. That said, I'd rather not have either one of them here if we have a choice of other strikers. They should only be last resort signings.
 
Sarni said:
Safe to say he won't be coming here if he's after game time. Liverpool? Spurs? Everton? Newcastle?
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If he wants game time he should remain where he is. If he wants a decent chance for honours and trophies he should come with us. He will be our second choice striker here and united will be competing on 4 fronts
 
devilish said:
If he wants game time he should remain where he is. If he wants a decent chance for honours and trophies he should come with us. He will be our second choice striker here and united will be competing on 4 fronts
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I seriously doubt that.
 
devilish said:
Who will be our second choice striker then?
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I don't think RVP will be sold as he's not been given an opportunity in this XI that have clicked so well. Players like Fellaini and Herrera are performing much much better now, than they were earlier in the season. I don't think RVP is past it and I doubt LVG does either. He'll get another season to prove himself in a team that's playing well.

If I'm wrong and RVP is sold this summer I'd be shocked if we didn't replace him with a bigger name than Ings as our no. 2.
 
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