Aaa.. I thought it was £30million just for Fabiano. £30million for both makes sense.
Dani Alves
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Aaa.. I thought it was £30million just for Fabiano. £30million for both makes sense.
He's shite - plus he has a pre-contract with Barca anyway. NOTW and Sun journos as usual filling their space with total made up bullshit. The Sun says we're going to spend €40M on Fabiano and Alves !!!
a player with his pace, natural skills and agression is a waste at center back.
Only real fools think Dani Alves is shit and can't defend. Period!
I have seen Alves play and he loves to attack but he also defends very well.
The best of him is his speed. He seems to me like an Evra type of player, obviously you go all attacking at Sevilla cause you know you have some pretty good center backs and Poulsen cover the spaces you left but he also knows when he cant go on attacking and needs to defend (example a games against Barca or another good team) and even against those teams he goes upfront.
People tend to forget that Evra couldn't defend for shit when he arrived.
He wasnt 25 at the time though and didnt cost £20 million or more.
Don't be thick.
Daft statement, if you're thick you're thick, it's not something you can just stop being at the drop of a hat
So? He's learnt to defend in less than a year and to do it well, so why couldn't Alves?
Evra would be valued at around £20m if we were to buy him today, and IMO Alves is a notch above him offensively, seeing as he's more of a goal threat and has better crossing ability.
Wouldn't mind Alves at all, but I'd rather see us spend those sums on Benzema and go for Lahm if he's much cheaper than Alves.
he looks like a real skinny runt. surely he can be very strong. id rather richards.
Dani Alves was sent off for headbutting an opponent at the weekend.
I'm not saying we couldnt "correct" him, but its a bit ridiculous to sign a player for £20 million and then have to teach him how to play his position.
If we played him as a right midfielder he'd come in right away and set up lots of goals. Ronaldo on the left of course.
I'm not saying we couldnt "correct" him, but its a bit ridiculous to sign a player for £20 million and then have to teach him how to play his position.
If we played him as a right midfielder he'd come in right away and set up lots of goals. Ronaldo on the left of course.
truly absurd statement, if you've actually watched him play, or heard some comments he made last season regarding the Liga.
NO NO NO, as great as he is attacking, he'll leave our defence open as he doesn't trsck back fast or as well as evra dies (before anyone says he's similar to evra) The £20+ we'd have to pay for him would be and utter utter waste.
Alves is very good going forward but bit shaky in defending from what I have seen. Also his temper can let him down sometimes.
I'd rather have Lahm than Alves.
I'd rather have Lahm than Alves.
I´d rather see us going forward than defend. Always have and always will. We did get a good result in Barca but I can´t say I was very proud of the way we performed. We are Manchester United and shouldn´t be afraid of noone. It´s easy to say but I do believe playing the United way is more important than winning trophies. 1999 was perfect to me, winning it all in style. Still very proud of our team, we do play it the right way 99% of the time. Wouldn´t mind getting rid of that 1 % of Liverpool-playing-style though
It would be extraordinary if we managed to sign Alves, never dreamt of any chance of him comming here.
Now that he's admitted he could leave there's a slight chance...
I would prefer we didn't buy Fabiano though.
Now that he's admitted he could leave there's a slight chance...
I would prefer we didn't buy Fabiano though.
Alves
I think it would be a mistake for us to spunk big money on a right-back if it means we don't have as much to spend on a striker.
SAF should fix both matters.
Agreed, but at the other hand we will need a top class right back if Neville is not up to it anymore, and it doesn't get any better than Alves in terms of nowadays' right backs.
It's just not as urgent as a striker though. Our defence has been great this season even without Neville, but we clearly need a new striker.
lahm is a safer and cheaper option.
Wes Brown even cheaper.
If you really think alves will not track back after a few hairdryers you sir are insane.
I hate this myth here about Alves being a shit defender and how we will suffer at the back because of him.
He is a better attacker than a defender but doesn't mean he is a shit defender.He suits our style imo.
But I dont want us to sign him because he is a cnut and and another diver.
I hope we sign Lahm.
He is a better attacker than a defender but doesn't mean he is a shit defender.He suits our style imo.
But I dont want us to sign him because he is a cnut and and another diver.
I hope we sign Lahm.
Agreed.
Wes Brown
+1
Save the money for a striker!
+1
Save the money for a striker!
We were lucky with injuries at the back this year though really.. If Brown had picked something up that kept him out for a month or so our options would've been pretty limited..
He got sent off for headbutting in a match at the weekend.
If a Premiership side did sign him, would he be banned for the first few matches of the season?
If a Premiership side did sign him, would he be banned for the first few matches of the season?
Wes browns form at the moment is brilliant. hes not great going forward but he tackles hard and is a local lad too. we dont really need a right back.
Alves is a non-starter. Even if Sevilla decide to sell there is no way he would come to Manchester. Alves will - injuries permitting - find himself at one of the Spanish giants in the next few weeks. He is one of the best youngish stars in the game today. Leaving Spain would be a step down for him. It is all moot though. Alves announced weeks ago that he is determined to stay in La Liga. On that basis there is no way we’d make a bid for him.
I agree with Sinchér, striker should be where we allocate most of our bidget. That said, Alves seems to suffer from the typical assumption on here that if you are good going forward, you are terrible at defending, which is nonsense.
Obviously, at the particular point when he is on the edge of his opponent's area, he isn't doing much great defending, but the team would be attacking then in any case. If Alves was made to defend, he can do so capably, and isn't a defensive liability at all, and very difficult to beat one-on-one.
Should we just stick a centre-half on the right?
Obviously, at the particular point when he is on the edge of his opponent's area, he isn't doing much great defending, but the team would be attacking then in any case. If Alves was made to defend, he can do so capably, and isn't a defensive liability at all, and very difficult to beat one-on-one.
Should we just stick a centre-half on the right?
Yeah, I'm definitely not saying that Alves could be bad for us. It would be hard to see how that would be possible.
There is something to be said for Brown's height at the back, but Alves is tall too, and that would in fact make me less nervous than if we signed Lahm at right-back, meaning we'd have two short full-backs... though frankly with the attacking prowess of either Lahm or Alves the opposition would have a job stopping us from scoring a hatful so can't see it hurting us too much.
I guess I just hope we sign a top cock striker first and foremost.
There is something to be said for Brown's height at the back, but Alves is tall too, and that would in fact make me less nervous than if we signed Lahm at right-back, meaning we'd have two short full-backs... though frankly with the attacking prowess of either Lahm or Alves the opposition would have a job stopping us from scoring a hatful so can't see it hurting us too much.
I guess I just hope we sign a top cock striker first and foremost.
I don't agree with that really. Hargreaves played at right-back against Barcelona - that wasn't a problem. We could have played O'Shea - right-back is possibly his best position. Pique could play there as well - still not much of a downgrade from Wes. If we had had an injury crisis, we wouldn't have let Simpson go on loan, and he can definitely do a job there. Even after that, there's Fletcher who almost certainly wouldn't let us down. We have quite a bit of depth at right-back if not one player who has made the position undoubtedly his own into the future, as with the other defensive positions. Next year we'll have Rafael as well. We actually have less cover at left-back (Silvestre, O'Shea, maybe Evans, Fabio soon).
The other thing is that I'd still give Gaz a shout of being ok with a proper pre-season behind him, provided he steers clear of further injuries.
Contrast this with up front where about 75% of our goals were scored by three players. An injury crisis up front would have killed our season.
Yep, thoroughly agreed. Striker is more important in my view.
I kind of disagree with this post. The argument is not whether we could find enough human beings to play right-back for us, we obviously could, anyone could. More to the issue is whether they would be any good, or would weaken us in other areas by playing them there. Brown himself i still not possibly good enough to be our first-choice right back on a long-term basis. Hargreaves is better than him there i feel, but he's a midfielder. O'Shea can play there, yes, but he isn't good, and Pique is untested there either.
I think, in reality, we have no specialist right-back in the squad of the required level for us. That said, i'd still rather a striker first!
A Wes Brown fan would put forward the fact we won the Premier league and are in a Champions League final, as being reasonable arguments for Mr Orange.
Fair point, but none of those players (with the exception of Simpson whose inexperienced) are naturals at RB. With LB we've Evra and Silvestre who are natural LBs before we have to start looking at the likes of O'Shea as a stop gap..
Personally I wouldnt like to have to play Hargreaves, Fletch or O"Shea at RB for an extended time.
Not saying we dont need a striker either mind..