Dan "The Gardener" Ashworth Has Left | Venit, vidit, non vicit

hellhunter said:
What's the point of a DoF if you go with the managers wish either way?
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My guess is Omar, Wilcox and Amorim are going in a different direction with transfers and idea and Ashworth isn't. They need a DoF who goes with the idea of amorim's style.
 
El Zoido said:
You don’t get binned off after five months and frog marched out the stadium after a game because the billionaire owner disagrees with your strategy. If this was the case it would’ve been a mutual parting, and not after five months. And I know the club has said it’s mutual, but he’s clearly been fired and if so, it has to be something unrelated to football.
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Maybe not a mild disagreement but they probably had full on argument about it. Ratliffe was probably pissed after the loss and things were said. Mourinho was fired by Abramovich because Abramovich criticized him and Mourinho said then why dont you fire me then. So he did. It was probably very heated after the match. Maybe he told Ratcliffe to fk off or threatened him. Thats grounds for being fired
 
Ladies and gentlemen, the circus that is Manchester United is back in town.
 
Shocking that the guys who have been at best mediocre in managing multiple football clubs aren't doing a good job at one of the biggest clubs in the world.
 
Interesting

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We finally find a director of football and he doesn’t even last half a year :lol:.
 
#07 said:
This feels like the most plausible reason this has happened.

Things probably came to a head around the appointment of Amorim. He was clearly Berrada's choice and I guess at that time Ashworth realised how much, or how little, power he actually had.

It makes sense for Wilcox to just step up into the Sporting Director role, given what he was doing at Southampton and his relationship with Berrada. At times it has felt like there are a lot of suits around and it's not been clear how they're all meant to work together. This possibility simplifies things.
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This feels like a neat explanation that might develop into the ineos version of events but I don't buy it.

Feels like all the times over the last 10 years when our fans have been seeking rational explanations for the glazers many idiotic decisions in the absence of reliable information
 
DarkLord1984 said:
The Glazers whole strategy appeared to involve keeping people long past their use by date, and/or keeping people in roles they never should have been appointed to in the first place.
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Exactly. Because Woodward and then Arnold made them money their performance in terms of football issues mattered little. This isn’t anything like a Glazer decision - INEOS may be shite in different ways - and could end up totally incompetent - but I do get the impression they at least want to win.
 
I’ll be honest - I have always thought INEOS and Ratcliffe in particular are fecking charlatans. Just look at Nice, they can’t claim to have successful experience.

However - I don’t think Dan Ashworth leaving is necessarily a bad thing. We haven’t exactly moved towards an upward trajectory since he joined, plus I could never look past his constant links with Southgate to make me think he was way overhyped. More embarrassing is the fact we waited for ages for him, plus had to pay Newcastle so much compensation.

Let’s see how it plays out. Doesn’t look great, but I don’t think it’s the clown show people think it might be. (That’s firmly on the pitch still).
 
mewnew11 said:
It's not that simple. You do that and you are a boss who doesn't let his employees make decisions.
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saivet said:
That undermines Ashworth's position before he's even officially started. Ashworth might have felt so strongly about it, he may not have joined, as ultimately the decision about the manager should come from the sporting director.
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lilcurt said:
In all fairness, SJR probably played this right. If you bring in experts in the field you have to let them make decisions and then judge the outcomes.

If it's true he disagreed but believed in his people, its right he would then judge the outcome. Not only was it the wrong decision, it was also handled horribly in the summer which I would assume was also down to Ashworth.

That, mixed with not getting certain players out the club (we no there was a push for Casemiro) and liklihood of January preplanning not being up to snuff are reason enough for him to go.

I just hope this level of ruthlessness follows through the the playing staff. They seem to be the only aspect of the club that are let off the hook week after week.
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If you're going to act like that, then don't hire "the best in class" and promote it like it's the best decision ever made. So, if Amorim doesn't work, he's going to fire Berrada too?
 
Just when I thought we were steering the ship towards calmer waters…

I think it will take another good decade at least for us to challenge for the title, as we seem to have decision makers at the club who don’t inspire any confidence, Sir Jim included. Turmoil at the top is never a good thing when the intent is to set a minimum standard for performance. We’re all over the shop.
 
Mercurial said:
Owner wasn't feeling this recruitment worked out for one reason or another. He opted to not commit a sunken cost fallacy.

Ashworth's whole FA "England DNA" had a funky smell to it at club level but did good for the NT over the years on a philosophical direction. He seem a good structural exec but doesn't come across as an uncoverer of talent, we need a hard mode 'player analyst' as DOF that can find us the diamonds in the rough.
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Is dof a head scout then
 
Sounds like it might be a power play then.

We put in a DOF but don’t actually want one. CEO is calling all the football decisions by the sounds of it (which is a complete disaster).

Clubs culture needs to change or the football never will.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
It's Berrada, Amorim and Wilcox's show now. Don't think Ashworth was aligned with their vision for the club.
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Surely you don’t hire a sporting director without being certain that their vision aligns with that of the ownership. That can’t change so much in 5 months that is caused them to lose their job. Whether we find out the truth or not I’m certain it has to be a a spur of the moment decision caused by something specific.
 
Spark said:
I’ll be honest - I have always thought INEOS and Ratcliffe in particular are fecking charlatans. Just look at Nice, they can’t claim to have successful experience.

However - I don’t think Dan Ashworth leaving is necessarily a bad thing. We haven’t exactly moved towards an upward trajectory since he joined, plus I could never look past his constant links with Southgate to make me think he was way overhyped. More embarrassing is the fact we waited for ages for him, plus had to pay Newcastle so much compensation.

Let’s see how it plays out. Doesn’t look great, but I don’t think it’s the clown show people think it might be. (That’s firmly on the pitch still).
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Him being linked with Southgate while Berrada seems to want to modernize the clubs tactics means theres a chance they might have clashed at some point. But now that Amorim is here, surely INEOS is fully on board with Berrada. I've always wondered if they could work together given their influences at their old clubs.... its not as easy as picking the best people from other clubs hoping they will get along.
 
Can only be over the Amorim appointment, from the sounds of it Amorim was Berrada's appointment and this makes it look like it was against Ashworth's wishes and they can't make it work.

If it was Berrada's appointment then it totally undermines Ashworth and what really is the point of him if he's not making those decisions.
 
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