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SJR didn’t recruit him, Brailsford did, based on a relationship with him. If they had talked to anyone in football they could have told them what he was good at - building structures. It sounds like SJR was putting pressure on for him to do things that he weren’t his skill set. That to me is bad recruiting.

In the meantime the others stepped up to cover some stuff whilst the old man continues to mooch around howling at the moon
SJR, Brailsford, Berrada it doesn't matter, there is no chance he was hired to do something he couldn't do/had never done before. Maybe the role changed once people worked out their niches or what SJR wanted and fed down the chain then changed, but there's no way he was hired and people thought he could do the data role which is what you said in your post.

It's definitely not good recruiting unless it was pre planned + they just wanted to drain him of all his ideas and then chuck him. I guess they also might have just thought he was rubbish once they actually worked with him, it sounds like his recent role could really just be done by hiring a McKinsey consultant for a few months given it was so org heavy.
 
So basically we hired him thinking he was some kind of recruitment/data guru when in fact his skillset is more akin to that of a CEO? So with Berrada and Vivell here we just didn't need him.
 
So basically we hired him thinking he was some kind of recruitment/data guru when in fact his skillset is more akin to that of a CEO? So with Berrada and Vivell here we just didn't need him.

I'm confused, why would we sign him as a recruitment data guru when his reputation is for building footballing structures?
 
Unlike most business men SJR has has a genuine interest in sports. However you can't expect someone who owns a 59b company and who employ 26k people to know each role in football, what it entails and the individual skills of each and every employee of his. He's also a 72 year old man and without wanting to sound ageist he was probably obsessed about football at a time when roles such as sporting directors didn't even existed. I am half his age and with 1/100 of his responsibilities and even I struggled to understand modern terms such as half space and half line. In fact I had to look it up and learn.

As you said the guy is not a moron. In fact he immediately identified what the Glazers (classic morons) had failed to notice since coming here. This include

a- the business side can't operate without the football side. Success off the pitch can temporarily survive without success in the pitch but that can't be permanent.
b- football is not a good money maker. The profit margins are simply too slim. The true financial worth of football lie in the brand. Bring United back to its glory and the club's worth would dwarf any 20m dividend per year any owner would blood let from the club
c- the football side need the best in class to succeed.

For the rest he has people to fill the blanks for him.

So what went wrong?

According to various reports the first person to be chosen was Dan Ashworth whom as said is rumored to have been brought in by his close mate Brailsford. At first value there's nothing wrong with that. Dan is a brilliant SD and his CV speaks for itself. His development first as a youth academy director and then in admin is renowned in the country.


The second guy who was signed was Omar Berrada ie yet another best in class signing. I didn't mind Blanc. From a financial perspective he's the best in the market financial guy although his blind spot lie in football management. That was seen in action at Juventus when his inability to quickly identify certain football weaknesses in terms of SD and fitness costed him the CEO job. If you ask me my dream signing was Blanc's successor ie Beppe Marotta. The old fox first transformed Juventus into a Serie A title machine only to move to their arch nemesis Inter and do the same (to the expense of Juventus). However after some research about Berrada I soon noticed that the guy is a young version of him. Similar to Beppe, Omar is brilliant on both sides of the spectrum (football and financials) and has that SAF's trick of almost being in every room at every time and keeping up with everything that is going on.

Omar was part of the Barcelona's exodus that played a huge part in transforming City from a classless small club who had never won anything to a classless small club who won alot. The daily mail counted 15 people between directors, coaches, manager (Pep), assistant managers, doctors and players. That suggest a close knit group with very similar values and goals who do not have time to make sure that others adapt to them. True to that line of thought, the first thing Berrada did was to bring in Wilcox an ex City man. Later on he signed Sam Erith as performance director ie another ex City man. When ETH got sacked Ashworth struggled having never sacked a manager before. Berrada on the other hand took the bull by the horns, he identified Amorim as a target, he sold the project to SJR and then went to seal the deal himself. That was at a time when the ex Barcelona crowd at City were closing in on....surprise....surprise.....Sporting Lisbon's sporting director. What a coincidence. As said before we've got a doer who loves to dabble into admin and who get things done the way SJR likes ie well and in record time. Yet admin is Ashworth's territory right?

Now let's focus on Wilcox. Jason was once the crown jewel of City's academy having orchestrated the rise to prominence to the likes of Palmer, Lewis and Foden. He then moved to Southampton for the top job there (DOF) only to accept a demotion as technical director with us. How many people do you know who love a demotion? Exactly. So we've got two people (Ashworth and Wilcox) with a very similar background. Ashworth is Wilcox's boss but Ashworth's boss hired and trust Wilcox and he likes to work with people he knows aka Wilcox. Can you see the problem here?

So admin is out as Berrada can do that, the academy is being lead brilliantly by the likes of Wilcox, Fletcher (whose ability to handle the transitioning of youths into the first team was so good that he survived the INEOS onslaught) and Cox while sport science + performance is being handled by Erith. What can Ashworth do? Can he handle the data analyst department? Well he's got no direct experience in the role. Can he recruit players? Its not his line of expertise and he can't possibly compete with Vivell on that. The German had done the whole shabang starting as video analyst with hoffenheim youths and going up the ranks first as scout/match analyst, then as head of scouting at Salzburg (Haaland!) then technical director at Leipzig and Chelsea to finally end up with United. Which makes Ashworth the redundant dude stuck in the middle between the CEO and his protegees

.We paid millions and we waited for a person whose skillset wasn't what we needed. We then threw him around people who didn't knew him, trusted him and who had similar skillsets to him which made the guy redundant. In few words this was a recruitment feck up
Yep - as said Berrada doesn't want to be a hands off CEO. Ineos had a broad idea of what they want, it is all very logical, but once you have got the people in they then have to thrash out how it actually works and Ashworth is the unfortunate one who is deemed surplus. C'est la vie.

I don't see the issue for Wilcox though, I feel that's a bit of a reach, not in a disrespectful way to Soton but I'm sure many would take a 'demotion' to work at United + his world would never really cross with Ashworth's.

Brailsford needs to feck off though, he strikes me as Clive Woodward type - both lovers of incremental gains - who simply are not relevant nor have anything to offer modern football.
 
This seems so unlikely to me - SJR isn’t a moron, he’d know Ashworths background, he knows all about Star lizard and Ashworth’s role working with it. He’d either know if he has that kind of technical background or not, it’s not something a person can just do without the formal education/training.

More likely they a) wanted Ashworth but only valued his input in the formation of the club structure. He would not have left Newcastle for a short term gig, so they bite the bullet of £2m fee + severance but now the structure is in place and feck him over.

Or b) Berrada has never been a CEO and wants to be more hand on. So the role naturally changes as the more senior person begins to gobble up Ashworth’s remit and then it becomes clear actually what they really need is the more data focused hire.
You say SJR is "not a moron" but what you later describe in option a) would suggest exactly that. Nobody would pay that amount just to get a organigram. The structure of other clubs is not some trade secret either.
 
I'm confused, why would we sign him as a recruitment data guru when his reputation is for building footballing structures?

we didn't clearly

the idea we spent months chasing this guy and didn't have the foresight to ask him what he's good at is absurd

as is the idea we didn't know what type of manager he favours

he likely got sidelined by one of the other big egos and said no thanks, the rest is just PR noise I reckon
 
So basically we hired him thinking he was some kind of recruitment/data guru when in fact his skillset is more akin to that of a CEO? So with Berrada and Vivell here we just didn't need him.
I think this is definitely the sell.

I prefer the conspiracy theory that Ashworth is now a careerist sackman. He was at Newcastle for 5 months before he was put on gardening leave, lasted that long with us, and nowhere anywhere does it explicitly say exactly how long either contract was. Ashworth will start at Arsenal in the summer of 2025 and be gone by 2026 under a cloud of secrecy that somehow is spun as testament to the ruthlessness/cleverness of Mikel Arteta or whoever is in need of a power boost by then.

But more likely is there was probably a disagreement that made paying out a multi-million-a-year contract more preferable than finding something for a football guy to do at a really big football club. Which is a shame because I'd probably get really good odds on Ashworth to be sacked from Arsenal a year from now.
 
Yep - as said Berrada doesn't want to be a hands off CEO. Ineos had a broad idea of what they want, it is all very logical, but once you have got the people in they then have to thrash out how it actually works and Ashworth is the unfortunate one who is deemed surplus. C'est la vie.

I don't see the issue for Wilcox though, I feel that's a bit of a reach, not in a disrespectful way to Soton but I'm sure many would take a 'demotion' to work at United + his world would never really cross with Ashworth's.

Brailsford needs to feck off though, he strikes me as Clive Woodward type - both lovers of incremental gains - who simply are not relevant nor have anything to offer modern football.



Omar Berrarda is a hands on CEO by design. The guy was City's Head of operations for 4 years and prior to that he was their COO for 4 years. That's 8 years of getting his hands dirty in operations. Now I understand that United fans aren't used to hands on CEOs. Under SAF if the CEO dared messing into the football stuff then he'd lose the hand. Once SAF retired we had Woodward who dabbled in that area and that ended the stuff of nightmares. TBF comparing Woodward to someone with 8 years experience in operations at a successful club is a bit insulting.

Regarding Wilcox the natural progression for a technical director is usually that of becoming a Sporting director. So you can't really blame him or/and Vivell for eyeing for Ashworth's job in the future especially if they were impressing the top dogs while Ashworth was struggling in it. People who take a demotion in a bid of joining a bigger company tend to do that in the hope that they'll one day take the top job themselves
 
Which he knew he needed to do. That's the step up from moving to a smaller club to a bigger club, sometimes the responsibilities and pressures are more. In 3 weeks of being here, Amorim has already shone a light on the difference in media committments between here and Sporting. Learning on the job is fine, what's bad is not even trying to adapt.
You have absolutely no idea if that's true or not that he knew he needed to do that. Maybe he was just told to do what he does best which is what he attempted.
 
You say SJR is "not a moron" but what you later describe in option a) would suggest exactly that. Nobody would pay that amount just to get a organigram. The structure of other clubs is not some trade secret either.
I doubt that happened but it likely would be actually cheaper than hiring one of MBB to come in and do a full review. Ashworth has effectively cost us a few million, if they got what they wanted from him + now the set up is ironed out it's not really a big deal at all. Would actually be quite smart.
 
I really don't think this is as crazy as some are making it out to be. We hired an entire footballing leadership team at the same time, without any of them having the chance to interview each other to work out whether it would be a good fit, and the folks doing the hiring weren't really sure about how the structure should look, whether there'd be overlap, it looks to me like their thinking was to throw some highly rated football leadership folks together and let them work out what the structure/setup should look like.

In an ideal world we'd have started with the CEO, and let them interview and select a sporting director, and those 2 then interview and select a technical director, and so on until everything is in place, but that would have taken much longer.
 
Omar Berrarda is a hands on CEO by design. The guy was City's Head of operations for 4 years and prior to that he was their COO for 4 years. That's 8 years of getting his hands dirty in operations. Now I understand that United fans aren't used to hands on CEOs. Under SAF if the CEO dared messing into the football stuff then he'd lose the hand. Once SAF retired we had Woodward who dabbled in that area and that ended the stuff of nightmares. TBF comparing Woodward to someone with 8 years experience in operations at a successful club is a bit insulting.

Regarding Wilcox the natural progression for a technical director is usually that of becoming a Sporting director. So you can't really blame him or/and Vivell for eyeing for Ashworth's job in the future especially if they were impressing the top dogs while Ashworth was struggling in it. People who take a demotion in a bid of joining a bigger company tend to do that in the hope that they'll one day take the top job themselves
We simply don't know this - more likely, if I were to guess, was simply we needed to offer the CEO title in order to entice Berrada across. Plus if they knew Berrada wanted to be hands on, they would not have bothered with Ashworth. No point comparing Woodward and Berrada, completely different backgrounds and operating under completely different structures. Only one has the experience to be deemed qualified, the other worked in IB and the Glazers took care of.

Re Wilcox, sure, but not immediately. It's been a few months!
 
Is it possible that SJR isn't bothered about long term stability and
Unlike most business men SJR has has a genuine interest in sports. However you can't expect someone who owns a 59b company and who employ 26k people to know each role in football, what it entails and the individual skills of each and every employee of his. He's also a 72 year old man and without wanting to sound ageist he was probably obsessed about football at a time when roles such as sporting directors didn't even existed. I am half his age and with 1/100 of his responsibilities and even I struggled to understand modern terms such as half space and half line. In fact I had to look it up and learn.

As you said the guy is not a moron. In fact he immediately identified what the Glazers (classic morons) had failed to notice since coming here. This include

a- the business side can't operate without the football side. Success off the pitch can temporarily survive without success in the pitch but that can't be permanent.
b- football is not a good money maker. The profit margins are simply too slim. The true financial worth of football lie in the brand. Bring United back to its glory and the club's worth would dwarf any 20m dividend per year any owner would blood let from the club
c- the football side need the best in class to succeed.

For the rest he has people to fill the blanks for him.

So what went wrong?

According to various reports the first person to be chosen was Dan Ashworth whom as said is rumored to have been brought in by his close mate Brailsford. At first value there's nothing wrong with that. Dan is a brilliant SD and his CV speaks for itself. His development first as a youth academy director and then in admin is renowned in the country.


The second guy who was signed was Omar Berrada ie yet another best in class signing. I didn't mind Blanc. From a financial perspective he's the best in the market financial guy although his blind spot lie in football management. That was seen in action at Juventus when his inability to quickly identify certain football weaknesses in terms of SD and fitness costed him the CEO job. If you ask me my dream signing was Blanc's successor ie Beppe Marotta. The old fox first transformed Juventus into a Serie A title machine only to move to their arch nemesis Inter and do the same (to the expense of Juventus). However after some research about Berrada I soon noticed that the guy is a young version of him. Similar to Beppe, Omar is brilliant on both sides of the spectrum (football and financials) and has that SAF's trick of almost being in every room at every time and keeping up with everything that is going on.

Omar was part of the Barcelona's exodus that played a huge part in transforming City from a classless small club who had never won anything to a classless small club who won alot. The daily mail counted 15 people between directors, coaches, manager (Pep), assistant managers, doctors and players. That suggest a close knit group with very similar values and goals who do not have time to make sure that others adapt to them. True to that line of thought, the first thing Berrada did was to bring in Wilcox an ex City man. Later on he signed Sam Erith as performance director ie another ex City man. When ETH got sacked Ashworth struggled having never sacked a manager before. Berrada on the other hand took the bull by the horns, he identified Amorim as a target, he sold the project to SJR and then went to seal the deal himself. That was at a time when the ex Barcelona crowd at City were closing in on....surprise....surprise.....Sporting Lisbon's sporting director. What a coincidence. As said before we've got a doer who loves to dabble into admin and who get things done the way SJR likes ie well and in record time. Yet admin is Ashworth's territory right?

Now let's focus on Wilcox. Jason was once the crown jewel of City's academy having orchestrated the rise to prominence to the likes of Palmer, Lewis and Foden. He then moved to Southampton for the top job there (DOF) only to accept a demotion as technical director with us. How many people do you know who love a demotion? Exactly. So we've got two people (Ashworth and Wilcox) with a very similar background. Ashworth is Wilcox's boss but Ashworth's boss hired and trust Wilcox and he likes to work with people he knows aka Wilcox. Can you see the problem here?

So admin is out as Berrada can do that, the academy is being lead brilliantly by the likes of Wilcox, Fletcher (whose ability to handle the transitioning of youths into the first team was so good that he survived the INEOS onslaught) and Cox while sport science + performance is being handled by Erith. What can Ashworth do? Can he handle the data analyst department? Well he's got no direct experience in the role. Can he recruit players? Its not his line of expertise and he can't possibly compete with Vivell on that. The German had done the whole shabang starting as video analyst with hoffenheim youths and going up the ranks first as scout/match analyst, then as head of scouting at Salzburg (Haaland!) then technical director at Leipzig and Chelsea to finally end up with United. Which makes Ashworth the redundant dude stuck in the middle between the CEO and his protegees

.We paid millions and we waited for a person whose skillset wasn't what we needed. We then threw him around people who didn't knew him, trusted him and who had similar skillsets to him which made the guy redundant. In few words this was a recruitment feck up

It's weird as I thought the classic DoF is skilled in recruitment and building a team etc and the Technical Manager was more like a head of staff, which seems to be the reverse of Ashworth and Wilcox's skill sets, like we mixed up their roles.
 
I think we should have kept Ashworth till end of season and sidelined him by asking him to look after women's team. If he joins Arsenal, he will leak our plans and targets.
 
Unlike most business men SJR has has a genuine interest in sports. However you can't expect someone who owns a 59b company and who employ 26k people to know each role in football, what it entails and the individual skills of each and every employee of his. He's also a 72 year old man and without wanting to sound ageist he was probably obsessed about football at a time when roles such as sporting directors didn't even existed. I am half his age and with 1/100 of his responsibilities and even I struggled to understand modern terms such as half space and half line. In fact I had to look it up and learn.

As you said the guy is not a moron. In fact he immediately identified what the Glazers (classic morons) had failed to notice since coming here. This include

a- the business side can't operate without the football side. Success off the pitch can temporarily survive without success in the pitch but that can't be permanent.
b- football is not a good money maker. The profit margins are simply too slim. The true financial worth of football lie in the brand. Bring United back to its glory and the club's worth would dwarf any 20m dividend per year any owner would blood let from the club
c- the football side need the best in class to succeed.

For the rest he has people to fill the blanks for him.

So what went wrong?

According to various reports the first person to be chosen was Dan Ashworth whom as said is rumored to have been brought in by his close mate Brailsford. At first value there's nothing wrong with that. Dan is a brilliant SD and his CV speaks for itself. His development first as a youth academy director and then in admin is renowned in the country.


The second guy who was signed was Omar Berrada ie yet another best in class signing. I didn't mind Blanc. From a financial perspective he's the best in the market financial guy although his blind spot lie in football management. That was seen in action at Juventus when his inability to quickly identify certain football weaknesses in terms of SD and fitness costed him the CEO job. If you ask me my dream signing was Blanc's successor ie Beppe Marotta. The old fox first transformed Juventus into a Serie A title machine only to move to their arch nemesis Inter and do the same (to the expense of Juventus). However after some research about Berrada I soon noticed that the guy is a young version of him. Similar to Beppe, Omar is brilliant on both sides of the spectrum (football and financials) and has that SAF's trick of almost being in every room at every time and keeping up with everything that is going on.

Omar was part of the Barcelona's exodus that played a huge part in transforming City from a classless small club who had never won anything to a classless small club who won alot. The daily mail counted 15 people between directors, coaches, manager (Pep), assistant managers, doctors and players. That suggest a close knit group with very similar values and goals who do not have time to make sure that others adapt to them. True to that line of thought, the first thing Berrada did was to bring in Wilcox an ex City man. Later on he signed Sam Erith as performance director ie another ex City man. When ETH got sacked Ashworth struggled having never sacked a manager before. Berrada on the other hand took the bull by the horns, he identified Amorim as a target, he sold the project to SJR and then went to seal the deal himself. That was at a time when the ex Barcelona crowd at City were closing in on....surprise....surprise.....Sporting Lisbon's sporting director. What a coincidence. As said before we've got a doer who loves to dabble into admin and who get things done the way SJR likes ie well and in record time. Yet admin is Ashworth's territory right?

Now let's focus on Wilcox. Jason was once the crown jewel of City's academy having orchestrated the rise to prominence to the likes of Palmer, Lewis and Foden. He then moved to Southampton for the top job there (DOF) only to accept a demotion as technical director with us. How many people do you know who love a demotion? Exactly. So we've got two people (Ashworth and Wilcox) with a very similar background. Ashworth is Wilcox's boss but Ashworth's boss hired and trust Wilcox and he likes to work with people he knows aka Wilcox. Can you see the problem here?

So admin is out as Berrada can do that, the academy is being lead brilliantly by the likes of Wilcox, Fletcher (whose ability to handle the transitioning of youths into the first team was so good that he survived the INEOS onslaught) and Cox while sport science + performance is being handled by Erith. What can Ashworth do? Can he handle the data analyst department? Well he's got no direct experience in the role. Can he recruit players? Its not his line of expertise and he can't possibly compete with Vivell on that. The German had done the whole shabang starting as video analyst with hoffenheim youths and going up the ranks first as scout/match analyst, then as head of scouting at Salzburg (Haaland!) then technical director at Leipzig and Chelsea to finally end up with United. Which makes Ashworth the redundant dude stuck in the middle between the CEO and his protegees

.We paid millions and we waited for a person whose skillset wasn't what we needed. We then threw him around people who didn't knew him, trusted him and who had similar skillsets to him which made the guy redundant. In few words this was a recruitment feck up
Great post.
 
I don’t think they understood his skillset or what they really needed before hiring. It’s a prime example of bad recruitment
My guess is it's about not knowing exactly how the different skillsets of Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox (and perhaps a couple of others like Vivell) would mesh together. They may very well have thought we needed what Ashworth would bring to the table, being the hub that tied everything together. Then when we got everyone through the door and working together we realised that we didn't actually need that after all. Hell, maybe he actually was useful to have in the early days but after a few months became the odd one out.

I certainly hope it's not just that they expected Ashworth to be something different than what he's done in the past, like some of the media are reporting/making up.

The first one is understandable. It's obviously not ideal but when you bring in so many new people who haven't worked together before it's not surprising if there are mistakes. Whereas the second one would show a certain level of incompetence in the hiring decisions.
 
My guess is it's about not knowing exactly how the different skillsets of Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox (and perhaps a couple of others like Vivell) would mesh together. They may very well have thought we needed what Ashworth would bring to the table, being the hub that tied everything together. Then when we got everyone through the door and working together we realised that we didn't actually need that after all. Hell, maybe he actually was useful to have in the early days but after a few months became the odd one out.

I certainly hope it's not just that they expected Ashworth to be something different than what he's done in the past, like some of the media are reporting/making up.

The first one is understandable. It's obviously not ideal but when you bring in so many new people who haven't worked together before it's not surprising if there are mistakes. Whereas the second one would show a certain level of incompetence in the hiring decisions.
Im gonna choose latter option until proven otherwise
 
I think we should have kept Ashworth till end of season and sidelined him by asking him to look after women's team. If he joins Arsenal, he will leak our plans and targets.
Why would we allow his contract to turn permanent before sacking him? Why would he agree to be sidelined? What's he going to tell Arsenal? Apparently all he kept doing was pushing for Howe or Potter to join the club.
 
So admin is out as Berrada can do that, the academy is being lead brilliantly by the likes of Wilcox, Fletcher (whose ability to handle the transitioning of youths into the first team was so good that he survived the INEOS onslaught) and Cox while sport science + performance is being handled by Erith. What can Ashworth do? Can he handle the data analyst department? Well he's got no direct experience in the role. Can he recruit players? Its not his line of expertise and he can't possibly compete with Vivell on that. The German had done the whole shabang starting as video analyst with hoffenheim youths and going up the ranks first as scout/match analyst, then as head of scouting at Salzburg (Haaland!) then technical director at Leipzig and Chelsea to finally end up with United. Which makes Ashworth the redundant dude stuck in the middle between the CEO and his protegees
I never thought I'd see the day that devilish is complimenting Fletcher in his role :eek:

But seriously, good post (the entire post, not just the paragraph I quoted) and I agree with what you said there. About the only thing I'd add is onto your last line of 'In few words this was a recruitment feck up' would be that it's an understandable feck up considering how many different people we were bringing in all at once. As The Hilton said a few posts up, in an ideal world we'd have just bought Berrada in first and then let him hire the DoF, then the two of them together hire the others, but we didn't really have the timeframe to be able to do that.
 
Anyone think we had too many cooks?

Berrada seems to have had a big role in hiring the manager so he obviously wants to make football decisions. We had Wilcox, ashworth, berrada, vivell, and the ineos guys in brailsford and blanc as well as Jim himself. Do these guys all input on new manager and, god forbid, signings?

If ashworth wanted things that the club did not, like Southgate say, then best to cut ties. But I want to know who does that top football job now. Is berrada qualified to do that job? Usually you separate the CEO and football director. Is Wilcox? He was academy director formerly. Are the ineos guys? Obviously not.

It seems incredible to appoint ashworth and not back him - begs the question do we need someone in the role at all? And if not then what was all that bluster about for years about structure?
My guess is Berrada will appoint his own people that he trusts should there be a need for it. And until that happens he is the biggest decision maker at the club.
 
My guess is Berrada will appoint his own people that he trusts should there be a need for it. And until that happens he is the biggest decision maker at the club.
How involved was Berrada in transfers? The people in charge MUST start to sign players that improve our starting XI, no more Antonys or Zirkzees.
 
I never thought I'd see the day that devilish is complimenting Fletcher in his role :eek:

But seriously, good post (the entire post, not just the paragraph I quoted) and I agree with what you said there. About the only thing I'd add is onto your last line of 'In few words this was a recruitment feck up' would be that it's an understandable feck up considering how many different people we were bringing in all at once. As The Hilton said a few posts up, in an ideal world we'd have just bought Berrada in first and then let him hire the DoF, then the two of them together hire the others, but we didn't really have the timeframe to be able to do that.

Many thought that I hated Darren Fletcher. Its really wasn't the case. I hated us sticking to an injury prone player when it was evident that the guy would never be a United level player ever again. Once he retired I hated the way how his non player career got fast tracked from U18 coach to first team coach right to technical director in matter of months. I suspected that Murtough's and Fletcher's senior job appointment acted as a smokescreen to allow the Glazers to keep micromanaging the football side. Most of these things were correct and they irk me to this very day.

There again I won't shy away from applauding the guy were merit is due. Pre Fletcher we had a ridiculous situation were kids who just joined the first team were left on their own device. The result of that was horrific. One has to notice what happened to Lingard, Greenwood (please let's not debate that and I am not trying to trivialize his case which was indeed horrible and way worse then the rest) and Rashford who, essentially, got their fingers burnt by too much success coming at such too short period of time. Fletch filled that void. Its evident that the likes of Mainoo and Garnacho for example are being protected/grounded more then Lingard or Rashy were when they first burst into scene. That's not me saying it. As said before the guy survived INEOS onslaught and I'd say he totally deserved it.
 
I really don't think this is as crazy as some are making it out to be. We hired an entire footballing leadership team at the same time, without any of them having the chance to interview each other to work out whether it would be a good fit, and the folks doing the hiring weren't really sure about how the structure should look, whether there'd be overlap, it looks to me like their thinking was to throw some highly rated football leadership folks together and let them work out what the structure/setup should look like.

In an ideal world we'd have started with the CEO, and let them interview and select a sporting director, and those 2 then interview and select a technical director, and so on until everything is in place, but that would have taken much longer.
This should just be stickied to the top of every page. We brought in a management team that was great on paper, let them thrash it out and Ashworth was the unlucky man in the jostle for power. Really not much else to it or that big a deal.
 
Many thought that I hated Darren Fletcher. Its really wasn't the case. I hated us sticking to an injury prone player when it was evident that the guy would never be a United level player ever again. Once he retired I hated the way how his non player career got fast tracked from U18 coach to first team coach right to technical director in matter of months. I suspected that Murtough's and Fletcher's senior job appointment acted as a smokescreen to allow the Glazers to keep micromanaging the football side. Most of these things were correct and they irk me to this very day.

There again I won't shy away from applauding the guy were merit is due. Pre Fletcher we had a ridiculous situation were kids who just joined the first team were left on their own device. The result of that was horrific. One has to notice what happened to Lingard, Greenwood (please let's not debate that and I am not trying to trivialize his case which was indeed horrible and way worse then the rest) and Rashford who, essentially, got their fingers burnt by too much success coming at such too short period of time. Fletch filled that void. Its evident that the likes of Mainoo and Garnacho for example are being protected/grounded more then Lingard or Rashy were when they first burst into scene. That's not me saying it. As said before the guy survived INEOS onslaught and I'd say he totally deserved it.
Calling a spade a spade. If you use it as a spade, everything is fine. If you want to use a spade like a fork you have a problem. That's what Fletcher's role under the Glazer's looked like, and now he seems to be in a role (again) that suits him.
 
Calling a spade a spade. If you use it as a spade, everything is fine. If you want to use a spade like a fork you have a problem. That's what Fletcher's role under the Glazer's looked like, and now he seems to be in a role (again) that suits him.
Exactly
 
Unlike most business men SJR has has a genuine interest in sports. However you can't expect someone who owns a 59b company and who employ 26k people to know each role in football, what it entails and the individual skills of each and every employee of his. He's also a 72 year old man and without wanting to sound ageist he was probably obsessed about football at a time when roles such as sporting directors didn't even existed. I am half his age and with 1/100 of his responsibilities and even I struggled to understand modern terms such as half space and half line. In fact I had to look it up and learn.

As you said the guy is not a moron. In fact he immediately identified what the Glazers (classic morons) had failed to notice since coming here. This include

a- the business side can't operate without the football side. Success off the pitch can temporarily survive without success in the pitch but that can't be permanent.
b- football is not a good money maker. The profit margins are simply too slim. The true financial worth of football lie in the brand. Bring United back to its glory and the club's worth would dwarf any 20m dividend per year any owner would blood let from the club
c- the football side need the best in class to succeed.

For the rest he has people to fill the blanks for him.

So what went wrong?

According to various reports the first person to be chosen was Dan Ashworth whom as said is rumored to have been brought in by his close mate Brailsford. At first value there's nothing wrong with that. Dan is a brilliant SD and his CV speaks for itself. His development first as a youth academy director and then in admin is renowned in the country.


The second guy who was signed was Omar Berrada ie yet another best in class signing. I didn't mind Blanc. From a financial perspective he's the best in the market financial guy although his blind spot lie in football management. That was seen in action at Juventus when his inability to quickly identify certain football weaknesses in terms of SD and fitness costed him the CEO job. If you ask me my dream signing was Blanc's successor ie Beppe Marotta. The old fox first transformed Juventus into a Serie A title machine only to move to their arch nemesis Inter and do the same (to the expense of Juventus). However after some research about Berrada I soon noticed that the guy is a young version of him. Similar to Beppe, Omar is brilliant on both sides of the spectrum (football and financials) and has that SAF's trick of almost being in every room at every time and keeping up with everything that is going on.

Omar was part of the Barcelona's exodus that played a huge part in transforming City from a classless small club who had never won anything to a classless small club who won alot. The daily mail counted 15 people between directors, coaches, manager (Pep), assistant managers, doctors and players. That suggest a close knit group with very similar values and goals who do not have time to make sure that others adapt to them. True to that line of thought, the first thing Berrada did was to bring in Wilcox an ex City man. Later on he signed Sam Erith as performance director ie another ex City man. When ETH got sacked Ashworth struggled having never sacked a manager before. Berrada on the other hand took the bull by the horns, he identified Amorim as a target, he sold the project to SJR and then went to seal the deal himself. That was at a time when the ex Barcelona crowd at City were closing in on....surprise....surprise.....Sporting Lisbon's sporting director. What a coincidence. As said before we've got a doer who loves to dabble into admin and who get things done the way SJR likes ie well and in record time. Yet admin is Ashworth's territory right?

Now let's focus on Wilcox. Jason was once the crown jewel of City's academy having orchestrated the rise to prominence to the likes of Palmer, Lewis and Foden. He then moved to Southampton for the top job there (DOF) only to accept a demotion as technical director with us. How many people do you know who love a demotion? Exactly. So we've got two people (Ashworth and Wilcox) with a very similar background. Ashworth is Wilcox's boss but Ashworth's boss hired and trust Wilcox and he likes to work with people he knows aka Wilcox. Can you see the problem here?

So admin is out as Berrada can do that, the academy is being lead brilliantly by the likes of Wilcox, Fletcher (whose ability to handle the transitioning of youths into the first team was so good that he survived the INEOS onslaught) and Cox while sport science + performance is being handled by Erith. What can Ashworth do? Can he handle the data analyst department? Well he's got no direct experience in the role. Can he recruit players? Its not his line of expertise and he can't possibly compete with Vivell on that. The German had done the whole shabang starting as video analyst with hoffenheim youths and going up the ranks first as scout/match analyst, then as head of scouting at Salzburg (Haaland!) then technical director at Leipzig and Chelsea to finally end up with United. Which makes Ashworth the redundant dude stuck in the middle between the CEO and his protegees

.We paid millions and we waited for a person whose skillset wasn't what we needed. We then threw him around people who didn't knew him, trusted him and who had similar skillsets to him which made the guy redundant. In few words this was a recruitment feck up
Very good post, plausibly argued.
 
Calling a spade a spade. If you use it as a spade, everything is fine. If you want to use a spade like a fork you have a problem. That's what Fletcher's role under the Glazer's looked like, and now he seems to be in a role (again) that suits him.
Incidentally, my favorite fork is a (smallish) spade.

Each for their own, I guess
 
Don’t get all the drama behind this. I’ve seen it many times in business where you hire someone who had a great CV and interviews really well, yet becomes apparent early on that they don’t fit in and are nowhere near as good as they seemed or did what they claimed they would during the hiring process
 
Unlike most business men SJR has has a genuine interest in sports. However you can't expect someone who owns a 59b company and who employ 26k people to know each role in football, what it entails and the individual skills of each and every employee of his. He's also a 72 year old man and without wanting to sound ageist he was probably obsessed about football at a time when roles such as sporting directors didn't even existed. I am half his age and with 1/100 of his responsibilities and even I struggled to understand modern terms such as half space and half line. In fact I had to look it up and learn.

As you said the guy is not a moron. In fact he immediately identified what the Glazers (classic morons) had failed to notice since coming here. This include

a- the business side can't operate without the football side. Success off the pitch can temporarily survive without success in the pitch but that can't be permanent.
b- football is not a good money maker. The profit margins are simply too slim. The true financial worth of football lie in the brand. Bring United back to its glory and the club's worth would dwarf any 20m dividend per year any owner would blood let from the club
c- the football side need the best in class to succeed.

For the rest he has people to fill the blanks for him.

So what went wrong?

According to various reports the first person to be chosen was Dan Ashworth whom as said is rumored to have been brought in by his close mate Brailsford. At first value there's nothing wrong with that. Dan is a brilliant SD and his CV speaks for itself. His development first as a youth academy director and then in admin is renowned in the country.


The second guy who was signed was Omar Berrada ie yet another best in class signing. I didn't mind Blanc. From a financial perspective he's the best in the market financial guy although his blind spot lie in football management. That was seen in action at Juventus when his inability to quickly identify certain football weaknesses in terms of SD and fitness costed him the CEO job. If you ask me my dream signing was Blanc's successor ie Beppe Marotta. The old fox first transformed Juventus into a Serie A title machine only to move to their arch nemesis Inter and do the same (to the expense of Juventus). However after some research about Berrada I soon noticed that the guy is a young version of him. Similar to Beppe, Omar is brilliant on both sides of the spectrum (football and financials) and has that SAF's trick of almost being in every room at every time and keeping up with everything that is going on.

Omar was part of the Barcelona's exodus that played a huge part in transforming City from a classless small club who had never won anything to a classless small club who won alot. The daily mail counted 15 people between directors, coaches, manager (Pep), assistant managers, doctors and players. That suggest a close knit group with very similar values and goals who do not have time to make sure that others adapt to them. True to that line of thought, the first thing Berrada did was to bring in Wilcox an ex City man. Later on he signed Sam Erith as performance director ie another ex City man. When ETH got sacked Ashworth struggled having never sacked a manager before. Berrada on the other hand took the bull by the horns, he identified Amorim as a target, he sold the project to SJR and then went to seal the deal himself. That was at a time when the ex Barcelona crowd at City were closing in on....surprise....surprise.....Sporting Lisbon's sporting director. What a coincidence. As said before we've got a doer who loves to dabble into admin and who get things done the way SJR likes ie well and in record time. Yet admin is Ashworth's territory right?

Now let's focus on Wilcox. Jason was once the crown jewel of City's academy having orchestrated the rise to prominence to the likes of Palmer, Lewis and Foden. He then moved to Southampton for the top job there (DOF) only to accept a demotion as technical director with us. How many people do you know who love a demotion? Exactly. So we've got two people (Ashworth and Wilcox) with a very similar background. Ashworth is Wilcox's boss but Ashworth's boss hired and trust Wilcox and he likes to work with people he knows aka Wilcox. Can you see the problem here?

So admin is out as Berrada can do that, the academy is being lead brilliantly by the likes of Wilcox, Fletcher (whose ability to handle the transitioning of youths into the first team was so good that he survived the INEOS onslaught) and Cox while sport science + performance is being handled by Erith. What can Ashworth do? Can he handle the data analyst department? Well he's got no direct experience in the role. Can he recruit players? Its not his line of expertise and he can't possibly compete with Vivell on that. The German had done the whole shabang starting as video analyst with hoffenheim youths and going up the ranks first as scout/match analyst, then as head of scouting at Salzburg (Haaland!) then technical director at Leipzig and Chelsea to finally end up with United. Which makes Ashworth the redundant dude stuck in the middle between the CEO and his protegees

.We paid millions and we waited for a person whose skillset wasn't what we needed. We then threw him around people who didn't knew him, trusted him and who had similar skillsets to him which made the guy redundant. In few words this was a recruitment feck up
An interesting take on the situation. I can’t help but wonder if there is something more to take away from this than teething issues and a hire gone wrong although those must certainly be part of the equation too. The way I see it, there are some potential cultural problems on display as well that may or may not be relevant for the long term.

I don’t know Juventus or their recent history, but if your reading on Berrada is accurate it seems we have at least a very capable operator at the top of the chain at United now. From what I can gather based on the more reputable sources, he is indeed someone who has an excellent grasp on both the financial and operations side of football being involved in commercial and transfer dealings and obviously having been an insider of two very successful club setups, City in particular. Albeit while having the slightest of slight edges on their rivals due to skirting a couple of rules here and there from time to time #115.

This is clearly a massive change from the likes of Woodward or Arnold in terms of their personal qualifications for running a football club the size of United. However, even if INEOS coming in has shifted our goals from preserving asset value and eeking out dividends to instead attaining actual sporting success, I’m not sure the operational mode and institutional nature is shifting much at least in the short term. I think the Ashworth debacle is an interesting case study based on my own reading of (and speculating on) what has happened.

I think your description of Ratcliffe is true in terms of him being genuinely interested and passionate about sports and given his level of investment in United, his affinity for business (at least from successfully building and running his own company), it is natural for him to take somewhat of a hands-on approach to the United project. But I’m starting to get a bit of a mad king vibe from him which is potentially concerning with regard to the long-term development of the club and its culture in my opinion. He seems ill-tempered, authoritarian, and prone to quickly alter decisions based on instinct. None of which is likely to sustain an ambitious, trust-based working environment based on strategic alignment and organizational identity. Which I believe is the cornerstone of what has fueled success at many notable Premier League projects such as your Brightons, Brentfords and especially Liverpool and City. Building durable, rational institutions anchored in clear club wide identity.

Initially in the takeover phase Ratcliffe was talking about creating a culture of excellence, filling the top positions in the club with people of the highest order of credentials and letting them run the club. Because they know football, which he doesn’t. The previous United managers had all failed, because the environment they operated in was not right. From now on, at United they would be walking to the right solutions, not running to the wrong ones. His own words.

What has he done since?

From what I can gather, he often interferes instead of deferring to the professionals he purported to empower. He is in a rush to get results, here and now, and he is fickle. He gives interviews that tend to complicate issues further e.g. provoking Newcastle during the Ashworth saga and the UWS interview regarding ticket prices come to mind. He demands a huge clear out of club personnel and gets angry when he is met with resistance or hesitation to these initiatives. Allegedly, barely anyone can speak truth to him aside from Brailsford and I suspect even this is limited in scope since he also wants to retain his place in the INEOS hierarchy. Ratcliffe holds ultimate power, does not appear careful about wielding it, and everyone knows it. I think this risks creating a very different environment to the one you see at the above-mentioned clubs.

So, you either appease and adapt to a more unpredictable environment or you’re sent packing.

My impression of Ashworth is close to the exact opposite of Ratcliffe. I think his departure was less about him being wrong for the job of rebuilding the club structure but being wrong for the type of environment that someone like Ratcliffe generates just by being who he is. Everything I can find on Ashworth describes him as generally being highly diplomatic and cooperative, process oriented and particularly focused on creating links throughout an organization with himself at the center of the wheel keeping things aligned. And incidentally also, as someone who displays very questionable instincts to shield his colleagues and organization notably in the Eniola Aluko case. Not to mention choosing to work at Newcastle given what their new project represents in the sport. So, he is no saint, but more on the agreeable end of the spectrum than the combative.

I can barely imagine a person more likely to clash with someone like Ratcliffe on a personal and operational level. The flip side to a more agreeable and cooperative mindset could be a lack of forcefulness, which I could see grating with someone more cutthroat like Ratcliffe. If Ashworth is primarily concerned about establishing alignment and common ground throughout the club with a view for the long term, basically hashing out a set structure in a cooperative manner that is supposed to drive everything else – and here is an erratic, over-involved owner who does not enjoy counterargument and thinks himself fit to judge and shift course on virtually anything. It was always going to go wrong. I could absolutely see someone like Ashworth having a problem with the kind of sudden, strategic pivot the Amorim hire does potentially represent for the club depending on how you analyze that decision.

Overall, it’s a poor fit and to my mind speaks to the continued upheaval and lack of direction at the club that it was possible for INEOS to blow through both millions of pounds and almost a years worth of time and hype to hire someone like Ashworth and bin him in such a theatrical fashion on the eve of a loss. Just the optics of it all. Honestly.

So, it seems to me that we have moved from glacial and ad hoc decision making with the aim of generating dividends to support the lifestyle of a fractious group of nepo babies to…more ad hoc decision making at the hands of a somewhat authoritarian, elderly businessman prone to intuitive decisions, who is in a rush for trophies and inspires a mix of fear and appeasement wherever he treads. I like the trophies part, the other stuff not as much. The fallout from this whole saga also smacks of the poor, transparent attempts at spin and narrative control that I have come to expect from United. I hoped they would move on from this petty nonsense, but it doesn’t feel like it.

Ashworth, the weak, dithering man of yesterday. He who abhors data but loves all things Southgate and can’t stomach firing anyone least of all his best mate Erik. Why he goes on holiday all the time he does, while everyone else is hard at work! I see this stuff repeated everywhere by fans and SoMe ITK’s, so no wonder they keep doing it. To be fair, it’s difficult to know how much is actually coming from the club and how much is just the economies of clickbait journalism, but I see smoke and reason fire.

I wonder where this both leaves and leads us as a club. Can we stabilize around Berrada now and the inner circle he is building? Can he and his crew keep Ratcliffe happy, or how soon could they be on the chopping block if he suddenly loses faith in them? Is it possible to achieve lasting success with this kind of culture at the top in the modern game, and how much of it will trickle down through the ranks? Into the dressing room perhaps? I suppose Chelsea under Abramovich (and even in their current guise to some extent) suggests that success can follow from a more authoritarian environment if you can find the right people to whisper in the king’s ear and keep him happy. It might not be as merry a tale as some of us would like, though I’m sure many won’t care as long as we’re winning.

By all accounts, Berrada is capable, experienced and charismatic and he seems to be building something amid the chaos. And I personally think Ruben Amorim is an exciting hire. Though I wonder what role Berrada played in Ashworths removal. Are we talking Game of Thrones like intrigue? With Berrada bringing in his own lieutenants, notably Wilcox to perhaps shine during Ashworth’s “lockout” period and making him surplus to requirements? While simultaneously seeking to undermine him with INEOS and push out an unwanted rival in order to consolidate his own power further?

Or is he just someone trying to build a core team and make the most of his own opportunity, while navigating the treacherous waters of INEOS to the best of his ability? Probably a more likely version of events but less suited for television.

At any rate, if United can’t be the good guys, I hope to celebrate a few trophies along the way at least. And honestly, perhaps some level of erratic authoritarianism isn’t so far removed from the United DNA. After all, Ferguson was in many ways the quintessential dictator, loved and feared in equal measure. Warm smiles or a boot in your face depending on how the mood strikes, but you do end up with a winner’s medal more often than not.
 
This seems so unlikely to me - SJR isn’t a moron, he’d know Ashworths background, he knows all about Star lizard and Ashworth’s role working with it. He’d either know if he has that kind of technical background or not, it’s not something a person can just do without the formal education/training.

More likely they a) wanted Ashworth but only valued his input in the formation of the club structure. He would not have left Newcastle for a short term gig, so they bite the bullet of £2m fee + severance but now the structure is in place and feck him over.

Or b) Berrada has never been a CEO and wants to be more hand on. So the role naturally changes as the more senior person begins to gobble up Ashworth’s remit and then it becomes clear actually what they really need is the more data focused hire.
If berrada wants to do more himself from the CEO position we should resist that heavily and hire someone that has done the job before.
 
An interesting take on the situation. I can’t help but wonder if there is something more to take away from this than teething issues and a hire gone wrong although those must certainly be part of the equation too. The way I see it, there are some potential cultural problems on display as well that may or may not be relevant for the long term.

I don’t know Juventus or their recent history, but if your reading on Berrada is accurate it seems we have at least a very capable operator at the top of the chain at United now. From what I can gather based on the more reputable sources, he is indeed someone who has an excellent grasp on both the financial and operations side of football being involved in commercial and transfer dealings and obviously having been an insider of two very successful club setups, City in particular. Albeit while having the slightest of slight edges on their rivals due to skirting a couple of rules here and there from time to time #115.

This is clearly a massive change from the likes of Woodward or Arnold in terms of their personal qualifications for running a football club the size of United. However, even if INEOS coming in has shifted our goals from preserving asset value and eeking out dividends to instead attaining actual sporting success, I’m not sure the operational mode and institutional nature is shifting much at least in the short term. I think the Ashworth debacle is an interesting case study based on my own reading of (and speculating on) what has happened.

I think your description of Ratcliffe is true in terms of him being genuinely interested and passionate about sports and given his level of investment in United, his affinity for business (at least from successfully building and running his own company), it is natural for him to take somewhat of a hands-on approach to the United project. But I’m starting to get a bit of a mad king vibe from him which is potentially concerning with regard to the long-term development of the club and its culture in my opinion. He seems ill-tempered, authoritarian, and prone to quickly alter decisions based on instinct. None of which is likely to sustain an ambitious, trust-based working environment based on strategic alignment and organizational identity. Which I believe is the cornerstone of what has fueled success at many notable Premier League projects such as your Brightons, Brentfords and especially Liverpool and City. Building durable, rational institutions anchored in clear club wide identity.

Initially in the takeover phase Ratcliffe was talking about creating a culture of excellence, filling the top positions in the club with people of the highest order of credentials and letting them run the club. Because they know football, which he doesn’t. The previous United managers had all failed, because the environment they operated in was not right. From now on, at United they would be walking to the right solutions, not running to the wrong ones. His own words.

What has he done since?

From what I can gather, he often interferes instead of deferring to the professionals he purported to empower. He is in a rush to get results, here and now, and he is fickle. He gives interviews that tend to complicate issues further e.g. provoking Newcastle during the Ashworth saga and the UWS interview regarding ticket prices come to mind. He demands a huge clear out of club personnel and gets angry when he is met with resistance or hesitation to these initiatives. Allegedly, barely anyone can speak truth to him aside from Brailsford and I suspect even this is limited in scope since he also wants to retain his place in the INEOS hierarchy. Ratcliffe holds ultimate power, does not appear careful about wielding it, and everyone knows it. I think this risks creating a very different environment to the one you see at the above-mentioned clubs.

So, you either appease and adapt to a more unpredictable environment or you’re sent packing.

My impression of Ashworth is close to the exact opposite of Ratcliffe. I think his departure was less about him being wrong for the job of rebuilding the club structure but being wrong for the type of environment that someone like Ratcliffe generates just by being who he is. Everything I can find on Ashworth describes him as generally being highly diplomatic and cooperative, process oriented and particularly focused on creating links throughout an organization with himself at the center of the wheel keeping things aligned. And incidentally also, as someone who displays very questionable instincts to shield his colleagues and organization notably in the Eniola Aluko case. Not to mention choosing to work at Newcastle given what their new project represents in the sport. So, he is no saint, but more on the agreeable end of the spectrum than the combative.

I can barely imagine a person more likely to clash with someone like Ratcliffe on a personal and operational level. The flip side to a more agreeable and cooperative mindset could be a lack of forcefulness, which I could see grating with someone more cutthroat like Ratcliffe. If Ashworth is primarily concerned about establishing alignment and common ground throughout the club with a view for the long term, basically hashing out a set structure in a cooperative manner that is supposed to drive everything else – and here is an erratic, over-involved owner who does not enjoy counterargument and thinks himself fit to judge and shift course on virtually anything. It was always going to go wrong. I could absolutely see someone like Ashworth having a problem with the kind of sudden, strategic pivot the Amorim hire does potentially represent for the club depending on how you analyze that decision.

Overall, it’s a poor fit and to my mind speaks to the continued upheaval and lack of direction at the club that it was possible for INEOS to blow through both millions of pounds and almost a years worth of time and hype to hire someone like Ashworth and bin him in such a theatrical fashion on the eve of a loss. Just the optics of it all. Honestly.

So, it seems to me that we have moved from glacial and ad hoc decision making with the aim of generating dividends to support the lifestyle of a fractious group of nepo babies to…more ad hoc decision making at the hands of a somewhat authoritarian, elderly businessman prone to intuitive decisions, who is in a rush for trophies and inspires a mix of fear and appeasement wherever he treads. I like the trophies part, the other stuff not as much. The fallout from this whole saga also smacks of the poor, transparent attempts at spin and narrative control that I have come to expect from United. I hoped they would move on from this petty nonsense, but it doesn’t feel like it.

Ashworth, the weak, dithering man of yesterday. He who abhors data but loves all things Southgate and can’t stomach firing anyone least of all his best mate Erik. Why he goes on holiday all the time he does, while everyone else is hard at work! I see this stuff repeated everywhere by fans and SoMe ITK’s, so no wonder they keep doing it. To be fair, it’s difficult to know how much is actually coming from the club and how much is just the economies of clickbait journalism, but I see smoke and reason fire.

I wonder where this both leaves and leads us as a club. Can we stabilize around Berrada now and the inner circle he is building? Can he and his crew keep Ratcliffe happy, or how soon could they be on the chopping block if he suddenly loses faith in them? Is it possible to achieve lasting success with this kind of culture at the top in the modern game, and how much of it will trickle down through the ranks? Into the dressing room perhaps? I suppose Chelsea under Abramovich (and even in their current guise to some extent) suggests that success can follow from a more authoritarian environment if you can find the right people to whisper in the king’s ear and keep him happy. It might not be as merry a tale as some of us would like, though I’m sure many won’t care as long as we’re winning.

By all accounts, Berrada is capable, experienced and charismatic and he seems to be building something amid the chaos. And I personally think Ruben Amorim is an exciting hire. Though I wonder what role Berrada played in Ashworths removal. Are we talking Game of Thrones like intrigue? With Berrada bringing in his own lieutenants, notably Wilcox to perhaps shine during Ashworth’s “lockout” period and making him surplus to requirements? While simultaneously seeking to undermine him with INEOS and push out an unwanted rival in order to consolidate his own power further?

Or is he just someone trying to build a core team and make the most of his own opportunity, while navigating the treacherous waters of INEOS to the best of his ability? Probably a more likely version of events but less suited for television.

At any rate, if United can’t be the good guys, I hope to celebrate a few trophies along the way at least. And honestly, perhaps some level of erratic authoritarianism isn’t so far removed from the United DNA. After all, Ferguson was in many ways the quintessential dictator, loved and feared in equal measure. Warm smiles or a boot in your face depending on how the mood strikes, but you do end up with a winner’s medal more often than not.

Ashworth is an excellent sporting director. He was the brains behind England's DNA who transformed the England's team from the Spurs of national football into a young talent machine capable of reaching finals in important cups. The guy has a rather tedious way of thinking were nothing is left for chance, people with the right skills ends up in the right jobs (even if the rest of their skillset is shit) and the club moves slowly forward. We love laughing at Southgate but let's admit it. Who on earth would have gambled that a failed Middlesbrough manager would be able to take the poisoned chalice and be more successful then the likes of Don Fabio Capello? I certainly didn't. In fact I thought that the guy wouldn't last 3 months.

The problem is that Ashworth is a long game type of guy. He made his bones at a proper club (Peterborough) then he climbed the ranks with West brom and Brighton. These are proper clubs who aim for progression and long term thinking (their squad tend to be dismantled every couple of years or two). Then the guy was persuaded (£££) to join Newcastle and later on United. That's was a bad fit for him.

These are clubs in a hurry even though for different reasons. Saudi had put their reputation on the line with Newcastle thus they wanted instant success. Ratcliffe is also on a hurry being 72 years old but he also understood the enormity of the job in place. The official line with SJR is that he took United because he's a local fan. I suspect there's also something else to it. You see, the guy made his reputation by taking companies who were struggling and then turn things around. I saw an old (and tediously long) financial interview of his and you could see how passionate he is about doing that. His secret is that of going in, literally bomb the darn place (changing practices, cutting costs, hire people who can take decisions on the fly). Ashworth is a chess player so to speak. I used to play chess and when a chess player (whose not used to fast chess) is asked to hurry then he'll either hesitate or he'll make a mistake (ex the Tonali deal or sending United's correspondence to Newcastle). When the latter happens then usually the former will follow as their line of thought will be 'I fecked up caused I rushed, therefore I don't rush so I don't feck up'.

That's a problem because FFP is biting hard, United need to cut costs like yesterday and having Berrada sacking salespersons in the megastore while Ashworth is still deterring whether he should sell a 300k a week player or not makes SJR look like a James Bond villain . Add to the fact that Vivell (ex Chelsea), Berrada, Erith and Wilcox (all ex City) come from a highly stressful, highly dynamic, high stake environment and suddenly you have a tortoise sitting in the middle of operations and surrounded by cheetahs all around him taking split second decisions. The moment he started dithering he was simply overlooked and once he was overlooked he became a burden. Some of the decision making by Ashworth show how disconnected he was to the reality. For example he took a holiday on the second day of Berrada's starting the job and then went to watch United with his family totally unaware that he was minutes away from losing his job.

Don't take me wrong there was a certain level of GOT style of politics. As you said Berrada brought his own people and TBF Ashworth tried to do the same by suggesting the likes of Potter and Southgate. However Vivell is not a Manchester City/Barca man and he's still thriving. So if you ask Ashworth's biggest issue was that he came in a team were people didn't knew him (but they trusted one another), they already had his skills (whether at the same level remain to be seen) but were faster in terms of decision making. Which leads us right to the root of the problem. This is not an argument of whether Ashworth is good or not. This is a recruitment mess.
 
Basically, we know nothing really.

Guy's gone, for whatever reason. Move on and just let what happens on the pitch over the next 12-18 months do the talking.
 
Ashworth is an excellent sporting director. He was the brains behind England's DNA who transformed the England's team from the Spurs of national football into a young talent machine capable of reaching finals in important cups. The guy has a rather tedious way of thinking were nothing is left for chance, people with the right skills ends up in the right jobs (even if the rest of their skillset is shit) and the club moves slowly forward. We love laughing at Southgate but let's admit it. Who on earth would have gambled that a failed Middlesbrough manager would be able to take the poisoned chalice and be more successful then the likes of Don Fabio Capello? I certainly didn't. In fact I thought that the guy wouldn't last 3 months.

The problem is that Ashworth is a long game type of guy. He made his bones at a proper club (Peterborough) then he climbed the ranks with West brom and Brighton. These are proper clubs who aim for progression and long term thinking (their squad tend to be dismantled every couple of years or two). Then the guy was persuaded (£££) to join Newcastle and later on United. That's was a bad fit for him.

These are clubs in a hurry even though for different reasons. Saudi had put their reputation on the line with Newcastle thus they wanted instant success. Ratcliffe is also on a hurry being 72 years old but he also understood the enormity of the job in place. The official line with SJR is that he took United because he's a local fan. I suspect there's also something else to it. You see, the guy made his reputation by taking companies who were struggling and then turn things around. I saw an old (and tediously long) financial interview of his and you could see how passionate he is about doing that. His secret is that of going in, literally bomb the darn place (changing practices, cutting costs, hire people who can take decisions on the fly). Ashworth is a chess player so to speak. I used to play chess and when a chess player (whose not used to fast chess) is asked to hurry then he'll either hesitate or he'll make a mistake (ex the Tonali deal or sending United's correspondence to Newcastle). When the latter happens then usually the former will follow as their line of thought will be 'I fecked up caused I rushed, therefore I don't rush so I don't feck up'.

That's a problem because FFP is biting hard, United need to cut costs like yesterday and having Berrada sacking salespersons in the megastore while Ashworth is still deterring whether he should sell a 300k a week player or not makes SJR look like a James Bond villain . Add to the fact that Vivell (ex Chelsea), Berrada, Erith and Wilcox (all ex City) come from a highly stressful, highly dynamic, high stake environment and suddenly you have a tortoise sitting in the middle of operations and surrounded by cheetahs all around him taking split second decisions. The moment he started dithering he was simply overlooked and once he was overlooked he became a burden. Some of the decision making by Ashworth show how disconnected he was to the reality. For example he took a holiday on the second day of Berrada's starting the job and then went to watch United with his family totally unaware that he was minutes away from losing his job.

Don't take me wrong there was a certain level of GOT style of politics. As you said Berrada brought his own people and TBF Ashworth tried to do the same by suggesting the likes of Potter and Southgate. However Vivell is not a Manchester City/Barca man and he's still thriving. So if you ask Ashworth's biggest issue was that he came in a team were people didn't knew him (but they trusted one another), they already had his skills (whether at the same level remain to be seen) but were faster in terms of decision making. Which leads us right to the root of the problem. This is not an argument of whether Ashworth is good or not. This is a recruitment mess.
Your writing is getting better and better! Good hypothesis carefully weighed and laid out, with sprinkles of colour like The James Bond Villain and The Chess Player.

I agree it looks like problem of fitting different ways of doing things, and it was a mistaken recruitment but not necessarily a very grave one in itself.

I’m more sceptical wether what works for chem business turnaround is the same that works for an elite football club /football community, and wether Ratcliffe is able to cotton on to the differences and let people who knows football better do their job.
 
Don’t get all the drama behind this. I’ve seen it many times in business where you hire someone who had a great CV and interviews really well, yet becomes apparent early on that they don’t fit in and are nowhere near as good as they seemed or did what they claimed they would during the hiring process

Yeah, happens everywhere, all the time. It's just because United is a high profile football club that it's even newsworthy.
Managers and directors come in with a brilliant CV and after a few months it's clear it's not a match, it happens.

Move on.