Any substance to him wanting Southgate rumors?
Dan "The Gardener" Ashworth Has Left | Venit, vidit, non vicit
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That is assuming any of this is true . . .
Yes, and how do you know that Berrada (CEO) was the one unhappy and that's why they got rid?
We dont know, if Ashworth was not needed, save the money and move on/
No, I think it was bullshit given anyone with half a brain could tell it would go down very badly and he has no background at club level. The idea he would appoint how is also hard to believe
How does our setup differ from all the other clubs that deem the role important.
Yet fans want Dalot shipped off to Madrid after 4 poor months! Football fans, especially United and myself included, are the biggest hypocrites alive. Emotion overcomes cold hearted logic time after time.
I love how we're slowly reverting to the 'one man' structure we had under Fergie after millions spent to change it.
Sometimes you just can't change your DNA
Sometimes you just can't change your DNA
Hard to tell tbh. Feels like our CEO is or wants to be more involved than his peers at other clubs for one
I think there's a lot of doubtful information flying around and plenty of contradictions. So I'm not sure what's true and what isn't.
I would however say that if someone let Ashworth be pivotal in deciding the future of ETH, when Ashworth still wasn't working at the club and just didn't know everyone and all the ins and outs, then the person as fault is that someone rather than Ashworth.
In any event, I think most people accept that if it wasn't working, then we did the right thing by ending it. The major question is how we got such a pivotal appointment, in which a lot of time and effort went into, so wrong.
No idea! Just repeating what I’ve heard on podcasts like TOTD. That we’re perceived to be a bit top heavy.
If every big club has one, it's probably because they're needed...
Yes, but it's not important how that position is called or who exactly does take care of which task. In the end if the board thinks that the structure with Berrada/Wilcox/Vivell can work as well or even better as together with Ashworth in it, then that's fine for me. It's obviously a waste of time and money and points to poor due diligence up front, but if that was a mistake and is now fixed that's good. Nothing about all this fills me with hope that INEOS are doing well, but as I wasn't convinced of Ashworth anyway I won't criticise them for getting rid of him now.
He was too short, probably angry all the time too.
It's been 6 years.
This is simply not true.I love how we're slowly reverting to the 'one man' structure we had under Fergie after millions spent to change it.
Sometimes you just can't change your DNA
There is a technical director and recruitment director, with multiple reports stating Vivell will likely be made permenant.
Maybe, just maybe the role Ashworth had overlaps with their role and they felt to make a change. Whether or not Ineos are the saviours or not, let's not rewrite the truth.
The latter is an important detail here that has to be acknowledged in this context: They knew from the beginning that they needed additional people to get things going but never intented to keep all of them. That's why they signed Vivell on a short term contract. And now Vivell appears to be better than Ashworth and simply Ashworth is made redundant instead of Vivell as originally planned. No big change in regard to the structure they wanted to finally have all the time, just a surprising decision who stays and who leaves.
I’m sorry but there’s no chance you can make a judgement on a brand new role in 5 months. There’s obviously been a falling out and they’ve parted ways…..again worrying that the top of a massive club like United are bickering to the point of a key member leaving
Exactly. Where Ineos ballsed up was they didn't get a sporting director who was the pick of Berrarda.
But then there's so many unknowns and other factors. Was Ashworth picked before Berrada? Brailsford knew Ashworth, and he is without doubt the most famous person in his position in England, at the time it seemed like the right decision. Things don't work out how you think.
Can we cut Brailsford loose too? Don't see what he offers beyond reminding everyone of his importance to INEOS' sporting achievements too. I'd bet he also commands a pretty expensive salary or 'consulting fees', so you'd think Austerity Jim would love a further opportunity to save a few pennies instead of making long-term employees redundant, raising ticket prices, cancelling Christmas parties etc.
He was great last year when he played on the side of the pitch he's familiar with.
He's not employed by Manchester United.
In other words, he should stay out of the club's daily business now.
I don't know for sure, but I reckon he's not been involved since the structure has actually been put in place.
Maybe Sir Jim wants to be the new boss in "The Apprentice".
Let's not go overboard, at best he was slightly less brain dead than usual last year.
Not directly no, but it hasn't stopped him from being omnipresent in what's already become a top-heavy setup. That's hardly going to be conducive for the new DoF or even Amorim himself. And while not commanding a salary as an official employee of the club, I'd wager he probably does fetch pretty hefty 'consulting fees' for whatever it is he seemingly does for the club, certainly enough to pay for the salaries of club employees.
You often meet your destiny on the path you take to avoid it.I love how we're slowly reverting to the 'one man' structure we had under Fergie after millions spent to change it.
Sometimes you just can't change your DNA
I don't know who's going more overboard here. He was the players Player of the Season last year, so "slightly less braindead" might be a bit OTT no?
And last season he was widely regarded as our best player.
Indeed he was, but given there were only about 3 players who avoided long terms injuries it's not really the claim you think it is given that one of those three was largely responsible for us going out of the Champions League and the other was way below his previous levels.
What's amazing is people not thinking as far as asking themselves if it was really a good decision to spend millions on hiring Ashworth if he's such an idiot as they think. Jesus wept indeed.
Standards are in the toilet. He's a dreadul player and nowhere near the level required.
Last season he was just slightly above his usual dreadful level.
There's a Dalot "performance(lol)" thread folks.
The forum has become like the real life version of a town hall meeting attended by the Simpsons in Springfield.
Dalot has some strengths (notably he isn’t a permanent crock like many United football backs and has the energy and physicality required to defend in the EPL). He is out of form as he is being asked to do too much and hasn’t had a rest. He was dropped by Portugal during the Euros. Used properly he can still add value otherwise he can be sold at a good price. For sure, he will not be transferred to a team of WHU’s level if leaves United.
Sure, he has some strengths, but that doesn't mean he'll be a successful Director of Football.
Some talk on twitter that Ashworth will go to Arsenal now.
Good luck to him, perhaps he could take his Southgate crusade with him there too.
Southgate to take over from Arteta?
He didn't want Southgate, that's the myth that just won't die. All the reports show Howe or Potter from the British managers - not that it's at any way significantly better. But still...
Only athletic hasn’t reported this. Other outlets have. So it’s more than a myth.