Bloody expensive gardener. I only pay mine $40 a month.
Dan "The Gardener" Ashworth Has Left | Venit, vidit, non vicit
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Ratcliffe deciding he wants more control over recruitment than he thought?
Doesn’t that means we giving Ruben more freedom to choose his players?
We literally have a director of recruitment and technical director
People are laughing at our club.
This was the obvious play. The problem here is that they started with Ashworth late, so worked well without him to start and were able to identify that he and his role brought no value, especially given other pieces of the structure
Still weird to me. I'd trust Ashworth's opinion on managers before Ratcliffe or Brailsford.
Spot on. Just because 3-4-3 isn't as common as the other ones (at least until recently) doesn't mean the players can use that as an excuse. Tactics and formations are something they need to adapt to, because even the changes can happen mid game!
Doubt it. Most likely the existing staff (Wilcox, Vivell, etc.) will absorb his duties instead.
Fully expected this, rumours of too many cooks, etc. Cost saving. I think they’ve just realised that the role isn’t that needed in the setup they have.
Be as pedantic as you like, but classifying him 'best of a bad bunch' is damning with faint praise, which is less than he deserves.
Yeah he definitely deserves leeway given his age and workrate, but his decision making leaves a lot to be desired (at this point.)
Yikes
What a mess. Seems like the club still have no fecking idea what they’re doing
Are we going back to monitoring, interested then bid in times
Berrada is highly rated. I doubt they'll fire him but then again didn't Ashworth come with the same high marks?
I just want stability in our club for once.I don't have a gardener but when I was a kid my dad paid someone with a box of beers to do our lawn
Yeah honestly happy with this. You already have a full time negotiations guy, a director of scouting, a director of transfers, a CEO along with all of the upper level guys with SJR. Just don't really need a DOF
This is the CAF. You must have constant panic on here.
Budgeting for back-to-back seasons with no CL. The longer we're out of that, the harder it will be to get back in and the less competitive we will be in the league. Tough spot l.
He wasn't employed when the ETH decision was made (neither was Berrada).
There is no evidence that he wanted Southgate.
Well, for starters, the Ineos lot don't appear to know how to run a football club based on their French and Swiss operatons.
None of them should have a say, they've appointed execs they should just stand back and let them do their jobs.
Everyone keeps ignoring these two facts for some reason
Footballing IQ, midfield control and a sporting director. All 3 evade Manchester United
From what I can gather the main factors for the decision were:
1. Distancing himself from decision to keep ETH - although this may have been inadvertent as he didn't want to give impression that he was "working" for Man Utd during gardening (which he likely was).
2. Lack of data strategy - he wanted to outsource it to third party when they were reviewing managers. Sir Jim saw this as a capability he should have had in-house.
3. Underwhelming choices of manager - he suggested mediocre managers to replace ETH mostly among people he knew personally.
4. Lack of Fit.
Doesn't fit their agenda(s).
If the Glazers even care about the fans' opinions of them as owners, they will be sleeping easier now that they have got a minority share holder in place to be in the firing line.
INEOS has made a lot of unpopular choices, some of them necessary (cutting costs).
Then they also appointed Ashworth, and bought him out of a contract, then sacked him all the while ticked prices increase, making games more inaccessible to the faithful fans.
I saw some ex-players making comments about being bewildered. Neville, Pallister, Ferdinand. They might be generating "clicks", but they might now a bit more than what we do.
I also agree with Rio, who said that the club needs to be as brutal against the players when they don't perform, as INEOS has been to the staff so far.
INEOS has made a lot of unpopular choices, some of them necessary (cutting costs).
Then they also appointed Ashworth, and bought him out of a contract, then sacked him all the while ticked prices increase, making games more inaccessible to the faithful fans.
I saw some ex-players making comments about being bewildered. Neville, Pallister, Ferdinand. They might be generating "clicks", but they might now a bit more than what we do.
I also agree with Rio, who said that the club needs to be as brutal against the players when they don't perform, as INEOS has been to the staff so far.
Jimmy at 2 am: "Dan, wake up you sleepy head. Listen to me and answer correctly. This United player, often nicknamed "The King," scored 82 goals in 185 appearances for the club and is famous for his iconic "kung-fu kick" incident. Who is he?"
Dan: "zzZzz.. hwat? oh! umm George Best? actually I will research it in the morning, boss... Boss? are you still there?"
Do not forget preparing a bid for weeks.
It’s not like we were swift with our moves last Summer either though.
So you prefer they stuck with someone they knew wasn't going to work out so later down the line you and others will moan about how they didn't act sooner? I'm happy they were proactive and ruthless for once. Vivell and Wilcox's roles are good enough to handle the job Ashworth was doing and that's in addition to Berrarda who was carrying a lot of the weight already as CEO.
All good reasons to dismiss someone after 5 months. However, question remains why there was no better due diligence done during the hiring process. Brailsford for me seems to be a huge issue here.
What gives me hope is that Berrada is very hands on, godt Amorim and I believe even Yoro himself
Isnt it better to part ways quickly if it isnt working? Sometimes people do seem to be great fit but it doesn’t work out. Why is it being blown out of proportion?
isnt it better to do your due diligence properly to make sure your your hire is the right fit in the first place?...
I am about 90% sure the fanbase would have taken this very differently had we won against Forest, and most would have just shrugged and moved on
Like I don't wanna be that guy but this really isn't that big of a deal, and is only being viewed as such because people are currently melting down over the on field results.
None of us have a clue how good Ashworth was at his job, how well he meshed with the other people working at the club, or indeed exactly what his responsibilities were and were not, so we really have no basis to be upset by him being fired.
Don't we literally have a guy purely in charge of recruitment (Vivell) and Wilcox being technical director.
In which case should those two together not be able to do whatever Ashworth was doing?
That’s OK. Most are doing so due to cognitive bias or an inability to apply some critical thinking.
Use it as a free idiot filter
This thread still going?
He is history now. Move on.
He is history now. Move on.
Sometimes you have to get rid of people that are wrong.
Is it less of a joke to keep him on board for 5 years?
Is it less of a joke to keep him on board for 5 years?
From a fair distance away in Sydney, if his job description included responsibility for signings, then gee he’s lucky he wasn’t moved earlier. If the person tasked with that job just falls into line with the coach then why bother with employing him.
This summers signings were close to awful and did not seem to fit with requirements. Sometimes less is more, just get decisions correct , team fit and done quickly. Anyway, time to move on, ensure that the club is rid of a fair few underperforming players and start the rebuild, Ole and ETH recruiting needs to be re classified and cleaned out, so many were not up to standard and were paid too much, and cost too much. Only look back to correct past errors.
This summers signings were close to awful and did not seem to fit with requirements. Sometimes less is more, just get decisions correct , team fit and done quickly. Anyway, time to move on, ensure that the club is rid of a fair few underperforming players and start the rebuild, Ole and ETH recruiting needs to be re classified and cleaned out, so many were not up to standard and were paid too much, and cost too much. Only look back to correct past errors.
Amazing such a simple thing some don’t understand. It’s hilarious to see the reaction of posters calling the club all sorts of things, throwing tantrums everywhere over everything for sacking an employee who was not only pivotal in extending Ten hag contract but also wanted to hire Gareth Southgate. Jesus wept.