Shaw dalot & wan bissaka malacia are quite similair. attacking & defending version of Fbs.
Dalot vs Wan-Bissaka
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What are you talking about? Of course Dalot is better defensively. You're conflating 1 on 1 defending which AWB is excellent at with overall defending which he's quite lost at times. Positionally Dalot is better, can play the offside trap and doesn't get himself exposed by letting opponents sneak behind him while he's unaware, something AWB is often guilty of. Dalot is also better defending crosses coming into the far post from the right side, an aspect of the game AWB struggles with, as well as heading in general.
AWB superiority in 1 on 1 defending doesn't eclipse Dalot's overall better defending.
Think Gary Neville proves otherwise?
wow That's a really good example. I'm not sure how to answer TBH except maybe that Gary looked better on the ball then Aaron from the get go? Or that back then, a full back like Neville, got good at crossing as a personal skill for attack. Today, fullbacks are asked to play CM even, a huge ask from a technical level. Would G. Neville be able to play at the same level today? As a crosser, CM (inverted FB), dribbling because the winger is inside, etc?
I think the standard for top clubs was set by players like Roberto Carlos and Alves. Good in defence and good in attack and today even central roles. It's arguably the most demanding position I would say.
Dalot all day everyday and twice on Sunday. Wan-bissaka I'd gladly sell on Tuesday.
If this was asked last year the answer would have been Ethan Laird as both were the on cafs most hated list. See the effect of what a bald manager can do.
Really not sold on the “attacking talent” of Dalot.
Honestly. He's rubbish in the final 3rd. Have thought so for a while now.
Ah, yes, let's comment on him after his first game back from a month-long injury.
Has his best ever run of games for Utd before WC, improving all the time. When played in Qatar looked very good. Comes back for first start after WC and injury not a great night and is suddenly shit again
@bosnian_red top 5 right back in the world eh?
If AWB put in the performance Dalot did today his thread would have 3 pages of abuse already.
I said it earlier in here, Dalot has yet to have any meaningful connection with anyone we've played at RW. His short passing isn't great at all, his strength is in the longer passes into the channels or central spaces where Martial and Bruno occupy.
Not against Dalot at all but my issue has always been making out Dalot to be far better than AWB when he clearly isn't.
If AWB put in the performance Dalot did today his thread would have 3 pages of abuse already.
I said it earlier in here, Dalot has yet to have any meaningful connection with anyone we've played at RW. His short passing isn't great at all, his strength is in the longer passes into the channels or central spaces where Martial and Bruno occupy.
Not against Dalot at all but my issue has always been making out Dalot to be far better than AWB when he clearly isn't.
You said he was amongst the top 5 full backs in the world after a good 4months.
Saying not many around at his age of 23 and then saying Walkers on a similar level but his age you wouldnt swap him....so what, you are not talkin gabout swapping players you are talking about the best 5 full backs in the world based on 4months of performances against a player who has been one of the best full backs in the premiership for several years if not the best.
Yes he has progressed, who said he hasnt? You are saying he is based on 4months at 23 one of the best full backs int he world....now that IS mad
It was his first game back after an injury...
Wan-Bissaka had barely played this season yet that wasn't factored in when judging his 4 most recent performances and comparing him to Dalot in this thread.
Dont disagree with majority of what you havesaid there. My initial point though was he is beig over hyped far too much after a good four months, he hasnt been exceptional but he has been decent, yet now for some he is one of the best right backs in the world, its nonsense. He also wasnt solid last season, he was average if being generous going both ways.
I just dont think you can label a players quality generally based on a few months, that is very flavour of the month though appreciate thats the way of the world, in there time here there has been little difference between the two players and neither for me has nailed on the spot.
Its been a poor deade for the club and a lot of that has been the quality of players here. Only a year or so ago it was all about the progression of the likes of Fred, Mctominay and Lindelof when none of them are good enough for the first eleven and its quite apparent I would think the improvement in our side with the players that have been signed in those positions thsi summer.
Not saying sell everyone who isnt top quality performance wise and replace them, we arent Chelsea, but some saying we dotn need a right back now after 4months is a bit mad based upon a longer period. Lets judge him at the end of the season, but personally I dont think overall he has been better than pretty good so far this season, that being a huge progression mind you on my opinion of his performances last year which is very different to yours
Dalot was really poor
He refused to cross into the box
Was performance I’ve seen from him for a long time
He refused to cross into the box
Was performance I’ve seen from him for a long time
Rusty. He'll be back to his best when upto full fitness
He is performing on the level of a top 5 right back, and I wouldn't swap him for any but 4 RB's around is my point.
On the season he's performing as one....
Strong disagree on his short passing being any sort of issue. He's formed a decent link up with Antony. But generally our bigger issue at RW has been simply not having a RW.
As for your last point... You must then have an issue with Ten Hag thinking Dalot is our clear cut starter and Wan Bissaka is barely relevant cover in his eyes?
WB strength when he first came was that last ditch sliding tackle, which a good defender eouldnt necessarily have to do all the time, if he anticipated where the ball would go. He was caught out of position quite a lot and his forward play was virtually non existant. Considering Woodward had supposedly had 104 RBs scouted and paid £55 mill for him, shows this was a pretty poor decision.
Dalot is usually a lot better going forward and seems to be getting better with his defensive duties. For me he is the better of the two
Dalot is usually a lot better going forward and seems to be getting better with his defensive duties. For me he is the better of the two
Agree that AWB has struggled with his positioning - but he is a lot better 1 vs 1, he is a lot better at blocking crosses and he is a lot better at blocking shots. So yes - defensively he is better
Still think Wan-Bissaka has looked most sharp recently.
I prefer Dalot but not sure whether it’s the fact he looks more fluid as a footballer or actual performance.
Not much in it to be honest, one is high in confidence and the other is being given the back heel. Doubt this is the right time to compare them.
Not much in it to be honest, one is high in confidence and the other is being given the back heel. Doubt this is the right time to compare them.
I think Dalot is improving more, but neither are top class.
Dalot is better. AWB will never be worldclass. Neither is Dalot. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong.
I'd actually be inclined to start AWB v City, as mad as that sounds.
Preferred AWB yesterday, he is a lesser passer but more agressive and combative in transition.
Sounds reasonable to me. He's a decent 1 v 1 defender and I'd trust him to nullify someone like Grealish in the same way he used to do against Sterling. It's a shame the other aspects of his game are currently so far off what we need.
Yeah, let's start AwB, we don't need to have a right side of our attack after all
His best games in a Utd shirt have been against City.
I still prefer Dalot if he’s fit to play.
I too would prefer Dalot, regardless of how good AWB has ever been against City.
AWB would really limit the right side of our attack by starting against City. They would easily control the game. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense and I think choosing Dalot over AWB against teams like City is reflective of that saying.
If we're planning on hanging to our own goal for 90 minutes I say go for it. But having Wan Bissaka starting means all our back building will go through the left with Shaw and Martinez. We've seen time and time again how easy is to preassure Wan Bissaka to lose the ball, to the point that it doesnt even take hard pressing for him to screw up.
Dalot offers way more not only on attack but in the build up. City have struggled to create chances in the last few games, De Bruyne is not currently at his best so I say we go for it. We're not beating them in possession but at least let's face them with some dignity. Im tired of playing like a relegation team against them, specially at Old Trafford.
Wan Bissaka was always great vs Sterling but tended to get destroyed by Foden
It's mostly his own fault but Antony absolutely sucks ass playing with AWB. Although against City AWB makes most sense if we want to play deep and soak up pressure. Any kind of a high line and you're asking him to do a lot of positional defending against a team that uses a lot of runs from deep. We actually need to fix the teamwide concentration problem because they all love a switch off.
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I'd forgotten just how badly they murdered AWB in those games last season until this reminded me. Christ I hope he steps up with Dalot out.
He had a good game
A very good game.
He showed some technical skills today
He was brilliant!
Another example of ten hag magic touch, it's a shame ten hag wasn't here when awb joined, fred is another one that looks improved under ten hag