Dalot vs Wan-Bissaka

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A lot of posters are looking very silly at the moment. I said right at the start that either Dalot was being overrated or AWB was being criminally underrated by many. It became trendy and obsessive to hate on anything he did.

Given the time that Dalot had to play into form, I had no doubt AWB could match or better it if afforded the same time. That's exactly what he's doing now.
 
El Jefe said:
A lot of posters are looking very silly at the moment. I said right at the start that either Dalot was being overrated or AWB was being criminally underrated by many. It became trendy and obsessive to hate on anything he did.

Given the time that Dalot had to play into form, I had no doubt AWB could match or better it if afforded the same time. That's exactly what he's doing now.
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AWB doing well since he came back doesn't change the fact that Dalot is fundamentally better suited to the team we're building, while AWB isn't. It's still very clear which of the two is the better option..

But it's good that AWB's form has stepped up, not least as it means we may get a good fee for him when he eventually moves on. And we probably do need to bring in some significant money this summer.
 
You obviously need both over the course of the season and they bring different skill sets too.
 
Wan-Bissaka after hearing he's off to Wolves

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Credit to AWB! He was very good today! That’s but of skill with the ball in second half was magic.
ETH is building up this squad!!
 
I think AWB is significantly better than Dalot.

He was brilliant that season when we finished 2nd and was severely hamstrung by us playing attackers on the right wing who didn't want to be there, basically leaving all the wide onus on him in an attacking and defending sense.

He didn't play under Rangnick at all but somehow got this reputation as being done. A bit like Shaw under Jose.

I admit his attacking output isn't great compared to your Trippiers and TAAs but this myth that Dalot is somehow better in terms of this output gets me. Dalot never scores, plays poor last passes and shoots at daft times. AWB has put in his fair share of good crosses and popped up with goal and assist contributions. The only thing Dalot has is that he looks silkier in the less important moments.
 
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ItDoesntEvenMata said:
I think AWB is significantly better than Dalot.

He was brilliant that season when we finished 2nd and was severely hamstrung by us playing attackers on the right wing who didn't want to be there, basically leaving all the wide onus on him in an attacking and defending sense.

He didn't play under Rangnick at all but somehow got this reputation as being done. A bit like Shaw under Jose.

I admit his attacking output isn't great compared to your Trippiers and TAAs but this myth that Dalot is somehow better in terms of this output gets me. Dalot never scores, plays poor last passes and shoots at daft times. AWB has put in his fair share of good crosses and popped up with goal and assist contributions. The only thing Dalot has is that he looks silkier in the less important moments.
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We dont concede that goal today with Dalot at RB imo
 
Thought AWB was immense today! The way he dribble through like 3 players.
 
ItDoesntEvenMata said:
I think AWB is significantly better than Dalot.

He was brilliant that season when we finished 2nd and was severely hamstrung by us playing attackers on the right wing who didn't want to be there, basically leaving all the wide onus on him in an attacking and defending sense.

He didn't play under Rangnick at all but somehow got this reputation as being done. A bit like Shaw under Jose.

I admit his attacking output isn't great compared to your Trippiers and TAAs but this myth that Dalot is somehow better in terms of this output gets me. Dalot never scores, plays poor last passes and shoots at daft times. AWB has put in his fair share of good crosses and popped up with goal and assist contributions. The only thing Dalot has is that he looks silkier in the less important moments.
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The myth is that attacking output is the issue.

The actual issue is that Dalot is a lot better at playing out from the back under pressure and progressing the ball forward under pressure. Which matters massively given that's fundamental to how we actually use our fullbacks.

Even with our first choice team on the pitch, those are things we struggle with as a team, as seen by just how often we have to go long when faced with a good side putting us under pressure. We should and will be looking to improve in this area by improving some of the weaker players in the team/squad in that regard, not exacerbating them by downgrading back to AWB at right-back.

It's good that AWB has found form. But his skillset still fundamentally doesn't suit the way this particular manager wants his teams to play football and that will be more and more the case as we keep developing.
 
Bebestation said:
Wan bissaka & malacia are quite similair
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Don't know how you can come to this equation. Malacia attack run is good, defending is average to OK, decision making on short pass has a long road to go, as evidenced yesterday. Which makes Shaw a better 1st choice, and the competition is good for all concern.

AWB is good on defending, strong if he can concentrate for 90min. AWB attack run was closed to none, gradually improving. His short pass and decision making is average to good.
 
ItDoesntEvenMata said:
I think AWB is significantly better than Dalot.

He was brilliant that season when we finished 2nd and was severely hamstrung by us playing attackers on the right wing who didn't want to be there, basically leaving all the wide onus on him in an attacking and defending sense.

He didn't play under Rangnick at all but somehow got this reputation as being done. A bit like Shaw under Jose.

I admit his attacking output isn't great compared to your Trippiers and TAAs but this myth that Dalot is somehow better in terms of this output gets me. Dalot never scores, plays poor last passes and shoots at daft times. AWB has put in his fair share of good crosses and popped up with goal and assist contributions. The only thing Dalot has is that he looks silkier in the less important moments.
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Pure sensationalism. Caught in the moment but Dalot will be straight back in to RB after recovery from injury and rightly so. AWB was brilliant yesterday btw but no way he’s better than Dalot.
 
I don't see any big difference between the 2. Dalot is a bit better with passing and link up play. AWB is a bit better in defending. Both are suddenly a very good RB under ETH.

Yesterday Malacia and him was superb.
 
Fair played to the two of them they have both clearly worked hard on the weaknesses. Dalot has came on alot defensively maybe the loan in Italy is to thank for that and In the last few weeks you can see awb has improved in the final third. Both still young so will continue to improve

Not too many clubs in the world have our riches in both full back positions
 
Played really well. Not sure why he'd move now, as he seems content to be a backup pushing the starter and he probably wants to improve as a footballer and knows he's doing it under Ten Hag and might not if he goes back to Palace or to Wolves or wherever. I still expect Dalot to be the starting RB.
 
AWB seems to be better with his feet or maybe it was just a confidence issue. Normally I wouldnt trust him to control the ball in tight spaces, usually he turns around and passes it backwards but there were at least two occasions yesterday where he didn't, showed good composure on the ball and played the ball forward afterwards.
 
Be interesting to see if AWB has saved his United career if he continues this form as all the reports were he was for sale

Based on both their form this season so far id be happy continuing with both next season and focus on other areas in the transfer window
 
The best thing about AwB doing well is that we can get more money for him in the summer and buy a proper RB for EtH's system.

The kneejerk reactions on here are not surprising but I'd be amazed if he's at United come 1st September 2023.
 
Rightnr said:
The best thing about AwB doing well is that we can get more money for him in the summer and buy a proper RB for EtH's system.

The kneejerk reactions on here are not surprising but I'd be amazed if he's at United come 1st September 2023.
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Who is a proper RB for Ten Hag’s system? Considering Malacia who has some similar qualities at fullback was Ten Hag’s choice for a left back signing.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Who is a proper RB for Ten Hag’s system? Considering Malacia who has some similar qualities at fullback was Ten Hag’s choice for a left back signing.
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Malacia has nothing in common with AwB, except the shirt they are wearing right now. He's actually good at football although not as good as Shaw.

As for who'll come in, that's not my job.
 
Dallot is more well rounded in my opinion but I've always admired AWB's defensive work,
Dallot's upturn in form has definitely given AWB a rocket up his backside. Good to see them both fight it out for first place.

But we're linked with another RB now I believe? Dutch lad from Milan.
 
If AWB continues to play like He did on Saturday then He is going nowhere,
He was really good defensively and offensively
Confidence and a good coaching setup seems to be bringing out the best in him
 
Let's not forget that AWB was considered a good signing when he arrived from Palace and had a good start. Dalot, conversely, was hailed as a great future full-back by Jose when he signed him and did very little. He had a longish period of injury and looked very suspect defensively. It was difficult to see where he would fit in and the widespread expectation was that he would be sold on. AWB is returning to his earlier form and Dalot has progressed. I would favour Dalot as first choice in the current setup but we need two right backs, so I expect AWB will be kept on if his good form continues.
 
Even if AWB has no long term future here at United it's good that he'll at least increased his market price with these showings.
 
AWB has done very well recently, and it's good to be reminded that there's an actual positive value player there. It helps us either way, whether he stays here or if we sell him in the summer. Short term and long term, I still prefer Dalot but AWB certainly earning his place right now.
 
Rightnr said:
Malacia has nothing in common with AwB, except the shirt they are wearing right now. He's actually good at football although not as good as Shaw.

As for who'll come in, that's not my job.
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The simpleness of implying AWB just isn't 'actually any good at football'. Such a general statement, and a false one at that. Nobody who isn't any good at football can do what he does consistently, do what he did against City. It's just unbelievable the way people phrase themselves these days. Is it lack of perspective or do they really feel they would do better themselves maybe?
 
VeevaVee said:
We need the depth. We can use both.
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Came to say this.

The fact that both are continuously improving under Ten Hag to the point where you're comfortable with either starting is just an amazing feeling.
 
Lee565 said:
Another example of ten hag magic touch, it's a shame ten hag wasn't here when awb joined, fred is another one that looks improved under ten hag
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I think Fred has always been quite good. It he joined City he’d have been viewed as a decent signing. The problem with Fred is that he’s not like Casemiro a player who can come in an individually improve a crap team or team that isn’t playing well. Fred plays well when the team is playing well and he’s around quality players.
 
MikeKing said:
The simpleness of implying AWB just isn't 'actually any good at football'. Such a general statement, and a false one at that. Nobody who isn't any good at football can do what he does consistently, do what he did against City. It's just unbelievable the way people phrase themselves these days. Is it lack of perspective or do they really feel they would do better themselves maybe?
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There is the other side of the argument. He’s not a player ETH would want but ETH is getting the best out of him. Now imagine if ETH was backed and could sign players that suited his system.
 
I think Ten Hag should let both battle it out till end of the season, I am for Dalot as I see him as the better player overall, but I would love to see AWB given game time and let him build form and compete for a spot, with that, either AWB comes out on top or at very least market himself as a good PL level RB which means we can easily recoup some good money if we sell him.
 
If ten hag can get more of the same from bissaka for the rest of the season then it will definitely boost his value up to another 10 million
 
Bebestation said:
Wan bissaka & malacia are quite similair
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Not a bad shout.

I personally don't see anything bad about having two fullbacks that are good defensively and two that are better attackers in Dalot and Shaw.

Atleast it allows to pick the best type of player depending on the tactics or opposition for the match.
 
Dalot has clearly offered a higher level this season than Wan-Bissaka, IMO. But mainly I'm pleased AWB has played well enough that we actually have reason to believe he can play without weakening the team very fundamentally. Contrary to expectation.
 
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