Dalot vs Wan-Bissaka

[MadDogg]

How? Because he mostly cuts inside going forward and loose the ball? Or because he misses most crosses? A lot better this season, but he dose not offer anything special. Bissaka was poor last season, but been good coming back from injury.

Dalot is much better in the general build-up, which is something that an increasing amount of managers expect from their fullbacks. It helps overload the midfield and gain dominance of the ball and general control of the match. Shaw has always been good at that and has often acted as our main playmaker from the left fullback position. Dalot obviously isn't as good, but he's still much better than AWB.

AWB isn't as bad at attacking as what a lot of people make out. He's not good at it, but he's actually not bad either. It's the build-up out of the back where he's normally terrible.

 

[NewUser777]

Dalot is much better in the general build-up, which is something that an increasing amount of managers expect from their fullbacks. It helps overload the midfield and gain dominance of the ball and general control of the match. Shaw has always been good at that and has often acted as our main playmaker from the left fullback position. Dalot obviously isn't as good, but he's still much better than AWB.

AWB isn't as bad at attacking as what a lot of people make out. He's not good at it, but he's actually not bad either. It's the build-up out of the back where he's normally terrible.

Nah. Bissaka just runs like Bambi on ice, but when he doesn’t play like last season he is just as good. Really hope ETH lets him play more, and develop some good competition for them. Will be good for us.

 

[simplyared]

I definately go for the more modern day wing-back of the two. Dalot any day of the week! However with that said Wan-Bissaka is too good to be just a squad player at utd.

 

[Escobar]

Dalot, that is clear. But good to see that AWB is doing a decent job that hopefully also pushes Dalot. And we might save the fee to buy a RB

 

[izec]

It is Dalot, and it is not even close. Dalot would be a starter for a lot of top clubs actually. AWB would not make the bench.

For where we are heading and want to be, AWB can only be a squad player at best.

 

[saivet]

Dalot is not better defensively. End of story -much better going forward, but not better defensively than AWB

It's not so clear cut when comparing them defensively in my opinion. I'd take AWB in 1vs1 battles against wingers but Dalot in every other defensive situation.

 

[Abraxas]

This whole forum is based mainly on knee jerk reactions game by game. I mean you are saying Dalot has had an excellent season.....when its what 15-20games....go back a year and Milan decided not to buy him after a loan.

I never rated Dalot and did Bissaka. Bissaka did pretty well in his first season and people forget that, Dalot has done little here before this season. Yes he has improved a lot and we have seen Bissaka regress when he needed to improve certain areas of his game hugely.

But I still feel people are under rating Bissaka and vastly getting ahead of themselves over Dalot based on four months and displacing Cancelo in the national team when Cancelo has been poor for Portugal and it has nothin gto do with club football anyway

I'm not convinced your AC Milan statement is exactly right, and I don't know how significant it is even if it is correct. Who knows what the internal reasoning of AC Milan is for anything, it might not even be to do with the player. I don't find that to be a stick to beat him with at all.

You're not including the fact that Dalot was relatively solid under Rangnick. Not earth shattering but he came into a dismal side and did reasonably. This season has been a huge progression of what was already a fairly promising introduction to the side on a consistent basis.

Football is mainly what have you done for me lately not what you did 2 seasons ago so that is probably why not much credit remains in the bank for AWB. That's always how it is going to be when short term results dictate the entire mood around a club. My point is mainly that 2 games against weak opposition is nothing. 15-20 games on the other hand is significant.

 

[Mr Smith]

The eagerness to sell AWB has been extremely premature. I trust Ten Hag to take the time to improve him, as he's done with many of our players. In the meantime, why sell our only cover at RB? Let the two of them spend the next 12-18 months fighting it out for the starting spot, so we can take the time to focus on reinforcements in more important areas.

 

[El Jefe]

Watch games closely(not that you even need to do that to see) and you'll understand how much more important and integral Dalot is compared to AWB.

Like my original post said based on AWB's performances over the last three games the difference has been marginal. You could say it wasn't against good teams which is fair but that's all there is to go on this season so far.

Two areas where the absence of Dalot stands out is his long passing into the channels and his heading at the back post, that's pretty much it. Contrary to what people here say, he isn't that good in possession especially short passing, I've yet to see him have any meaningful connection with Antony on the right wing. He also rarely finds a man with his crosses. His crosses look better than AWB attempts but they are just as ineffective.

Dalot is a 7/10 right back, well rounded and solid, that's it. Sone are going on like this is the equivalent of Casemiro vs Mctominay.

 

[lysglimt]

It's not so clear cut when comparing them defensively in my opinion. I'd take AWB in 1vs1 battles against wingers but Dalot in every other defensive situation.

AWB was rock solid for almost 2 seasons - before he completely fell off the wagon. He has hardly played a game for half a year, and comes back under new management and looks really solid when given a chance. It's not just the 1 vs 1 AWB is really good - it's covering for the centre backs. He is really good at blocking shots - which he has already done a few times in the last games.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Dalot is better, but I still don't rate him that much and think you can upgrade on him ideally.

 

[Drizzle]

AWB was rock solid for almost 2 seasons - before he completely fell off the wagon. He has hardly played a game for half a year, and comes back under new management and looks really solid when given a chance. It's not just the 1 vs 1 AWB is really good - it's covering for the centre backs. He is really good at blocking shots - which he has already done a few times in the last games.

He wasn't rock solid. You're right that he's good at covering centrally in emergency scenarios and in 1-1 situations. But he is constantly caught out of position. Constantly. He gets out of jail a lot by recovering and slide tackling, but that is no substitute for removing the danger before it starts by correct positioning. The best fullbacks are not slide tackle merchants because they don't need to be. He also gets caught under the ball at the far post a lot, so much so that teams were targeting him.

He's no better than Dalot defensively, in fact this season I think Dalot has the edge on him. And going forward there's no comparison of course.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

I think Dalot is better overall and I believe he will be our starting RB, but AWB has been solid since he came back, maybe he will up his game even more and there will be a proper competition for the right back position. At least we don't have to worry about buying a new RB.

 

[Kag]

Before this season I’d have argued Wan-Bissaka and by some margin. To be fair to Dalot, who I had always described as being a bit thick, he has come on leaps and bounds this season. He really looks like he’s turned a corner and is turning into a very well rounded full back.

His positioning has improved, he no longer dives in and gets skinned, and his defending at the back post is brilliant. He’s also really good in possession during the build up.

Going forward, neither of them are particularly effective and that’s why we still need another option there. But Wan-Bissaka is the most disposable of the two given who we have in charge of the first team and what we know about his preferences.

 

[Lentwood]

I think it's closer than some appear to believe, either way, it's nice to have two RBs who are both playing well at the moment

 

[FrankDrebin]

Both are ok and in decent form but they're still a few levels below the likes of James, Trent, Cancelo and even Trippier, just from this league alone.

 

[groovyalbert]

Depends who is playing CB. If it's Varane/Martinez, we can afford to field a less defensively minded RB. If it's Maguire/Lindelof, we need AWB's defensive recovery/pace.

 

[Rightnr]

Both are ok and in decent form but they're still a few levels below the likes of James, Trent, Cancelo and even Trippier, just from this league alone.

Dalot benched Cancelo for Portugal and Pep is not in love with him at the moment.

And Trent? Really... the guy cannot defend.

James is more fragile than your nan's crystal set of glasses while Dalot plays well for us up to three times a week and has been instrumental in our current league position.

Trippier is old and we're trying to build for the future.

It's funny that the forum that rated Harry Maguire somehow thinks Dalot is not good enough

 

[CM]

The eagerness to sell AWB has been extremely premature. I trust Ten Hag to take the time to improve him, as he's done with many of our players. In the meantime, why sell our only cover at RB? Let the two of them spend the next 12-18 months fighting it out for the starting spot, so we can take the time to focus on reinforcements in more important areas.

It's not that premature, really. There have been question marks over Wan-Bissaka for a couple of seasons already and it's pretty conclusive he won't ever be seen as the undisputed starter in this team.

I wouldn't sell him just yet because the RB situation pre-World Cup was a bit precarious with Dalot playing there almost exclusively, but if the right offer arrives in the summer (and hopefully Wan-Bissaka getting more gametime will restore some value) I wouldn't be against a sale at all. I think we all know that Wan-Bissaka is one of a few squad players Ten Hag would like to replace given the choice - we should cash in while he still retains some value.

 

[Giggsy13]

Looks like Ole created at least 14 different redcafe accounts to vote for AWB.

 

[DevTheRed]

AWB has been playing well recently but even when Dalot came on against Bournemouth was attacking difference was way clear.

AWB is a good backup but he won’t start regularly for us while Dalot is still here. He either needs to be happy with being back up or needs to use the next 6 months to put himself in the shop window and leave (which is what I think will happen).

 

[bosnian_red]

You say he is 23 like he is 19? I agree with the other guy, you dont become one of the best right backs in the world in 5months. He has been good but people are over hyping it. I hope you are right with his progression obviously but there are lots of right backs his age and far younger around the world playing at his level already with more talent too.

Cancelo for Portugaol hasnt been the same one for City as national football is irrelevant to the argument on club football but Walker, James, TAA and Trippier have all been better than him and thats just in this country let alone around the world. Top 5 on 4months....complete nonsense

I say he is 23 because he is the same age as Malacia for example yet people expect Dalot to be in his prime. 23 is young for a full back. There are not many fullbacks around who are as talented as him or as complete as him or have shown as much as him by his age.

I say he is one of the best around based on the level he's shown this season, because quite simply he would start for pretty much most clubs in the world. If he was available to take on a free you can be sure that all the top clubs in the world would he offering him contracts. People have left over anti dalot bias from when he wasn't getting chances as a young player in a shambolic team. To not see his progression into a top fullback is just mad.

And yeah, TAA, James, Hakimi, Cancelo are ahead of him as right backs generally. I'd accept walker being on a similar level though at his age city would swap them in an instance. Trippier is better with set pieces/crossing and that's about it. Carvajal similar too. He genuinely would start for every other team out there though.

Your point about Milan too was nonsense, they wanted to keep him and was a starter for them.

 

[bosnian_red]

How? Because he mostly cuts inside going forward and loose the ball? Or because he misses most crosses? A lot better this season, but he dose not offer anything special. Bissaka was poor last season, but been good coming back from injury.

You know there is a hell of a lot that happens in football between both boxes right? A lot of important, you know, build up stuff? The ball doesn't magically appear at our forwards feet and they aren't shit if it doesn't get to them.

Dalot is fantastic with build up play. He is so proficient technically, he plays excellent progressive passes through the lines into attackers on a weekly basis, he is great at running with the ball and getting it up there, he has incredible stamina and strength. His final ball is ever improving too. Defensively, he has excellent positioning and has proven to be a very solid defender, and especially aerially he is genuinely one of the best right backs around (this has been a thing for a while).

Anyway, it's a good thing ten hag is our manager and not some on here. He sees Dalot as our long term set and forget right back.

 

[Mickeza]

Dalot is better suited to ETH due his progressive passing from deep and switches of play - something AWB doesn’t do. Hopefully AWB is willing to stick around for 6 months and compete though - good player who is nowhere near as bad on the ball as people state and is actually a very good ball carrier. He does have a tendency to go to sleep when tracking runners though - two consecutive home games a team has nearly scored from it.

 

[Kostov]

It's clear that Dalot has made the RB spot his own, he is a better fit and obviously a better footballer alround. However clowns claiming AWB is a shit RB clearly have an agenda or have never seen AWB play for us. He is good RB and easily capable deputy if we choose to keep him around.

 

[Rightnr]

Cancelo binned off at HT again. Dalot looking better and better in comparison

 

[Leftback99]

We can do better than both.

 

[daveskimufc]

I have been impressed with the last few games of AWB. But dalot had 15mins on Tues and you can see a difference.

The loss of "trustworthyness?" defensively in Dalot is easily made up in him being FAR more comfortable on the ball

 

[charlenefan]

Dalot has converted me this season

AWB has been good since coming back into the side though

 

[AltiUn]

We can do better than both.

100%.

 

[eire-red]

Dalot is superior in probably all aspects bar tacking, is younger and relatively more inexperienced. He has all the tools to be a very competent RB.

AWB lacks the fundamentals to play in a progressive football team, but is a good second option in cups and bottom of the table opposition.

 

[Rightnr]

We can do better than both.

Yeah? Who?

 

[mattunited1978]

Dalot by a country mile

 

[Scorpy]

Obviously Dalot.

 

[NewUser777]

You know there is a hell of a lot that happens in football between both boxes right? A lot of important, you know, build up stuff? The ball doesn't magically appear at our forwards feet and they aren't shit if it doesn't get to them.

Dalot is fantastic with build up play. He is so proficient technically, he plays excellent progressive passes through the lines into attackers on a weekly basis, he is great at running with the ball and getting it up there, he has incredible stamina and strength. His final ball is ever improving too. Defensively, he has excellent positioning and has proven to be a very solid defender, and especially aerially he is genuinely one of the best right backs around (this has been a thing for a while).

Anyway, it's a good thing ten hag is our manager and not some on here. He sees Dalot as our long term set and forget right back.

Fantastic in the build up
Let’s just leave it here..

 

[Red the Bear]

Dalot offers more.

 

[bosnian_red]

Fantastic in the build up
Let’s just leave it here..

Honestly, this reaction to saying Dalot is fantastic in the build up is just showing a complete lack of football understanding... He is every single game among our top progresses of the ball with his passing and ball carrying, aka the build up play. He rarely loses it. He's reliable in possession.

Hell, last season even he was really improving with all these stats, when everyone else was garbage, but didn't fully put it together until this season.

 

[giggslover]

I've been trumpeting Obi-Wan Bissaka over Dalot for some time, but I am being converted. Yes I think Dalot gives us more going forward, but I believe AWB is still the better defender and I still think Dalot overhits his crosses WAY too much.

That being said I think Dalot might just pip him for this particular United team. I think Obi-Wan just comes at the wrong time in football where the offensive minded fullback is the most coveted position in the sport at the moment.

 

[Abraxas]

I've been trumpeting Obi-Wan Bissaka over Dalot for some time, but I am being converted. Yes I think Dalot gives us more going forward, but I believe AWB is still the better defender and I still think Dalot overhits his crosses WAY too much.

That being said I think Dalot might just pip him for this particular United team. I think Obi-Wan just comes at the wrong time in football where the offensive minded fullback is the most coveted position in the sport at the moment.

I'm not convinced AWB is a defensive mastermind. There is quite a difference between being good one v one, faced up by a winger and being a complete package. Dalot is very good at covering the backpost aerially, for example.

AWB also has a habit of switching off at inopportune moments and letting a runner completely go, or being the one to play somebody onside.

 

[Deleted 112447]

I think that some level of defensive skill can be learned but attack and quality on the ball not so much, at this level. AWB could improve IMO but Dalot is just natural at most things that ETG wants.