Dalot vs Wan-Bissaka

[Rightnr]

AwB is clear at the moment. I'd keep both and focus on striker, midfielders and center back. Goalkeeper if we have time and money left over.

Wasn't that his position originally? As in that's where we signed him to play?

It was always RB as primary position but it was well-known he can play both sides.

 

[AaronRedDevil]

If we sell Bissaka. Ima be pissed. He’s insanely good defensively. If attackers panic when he’s there. Then he’s what you need in the team. No one else can do what he does with his tackles. They are deadly.

 

[redIndianDevil]

Wan Bissaka by a mile. If we are getting Frimpong to then 100% AwB.

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

Re AWB, this season has arguably been his best since joining the club. I've always felt he was a raw talent who badly needed top class coaching which he was never gonna get from Ole or Rangnick but is now getting under ETH.

Why the f*ck are we thinking of getting rid of a player, presumably at a massive loss, who's rapidly improving and looking like reaching his peak?!

Christ, even if people didn't fancy him as a first choice RB, he's surely good enough as a squad back-up?!

 

[Rightnr]

Re AWB, this season has arguably been his best since joining the club. I've always felt he was a raw talent who badly needed top class coaching which he was never gonna get from Ole or Rangnick but is now getting under ETH.

Why the f*ck are we thinking of getting rid of a player, presumably at a massive loss, who's rapidly improving and looking like reaching his peak?!

Christ, even if people didn't fancy him as a first choice RB, he's surely good enough as a squad back-up?!

Mainly because he was nowhere to be seen at the start of the season and there were credible stories he might go as early as the winter.

Obviously, things have changed and more credit to him. Seems to have gone a mini renaissance, similar to Cancelo after his first year at City.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Mainly because he was nowhere to be seen at the start of the season and there were credible stories he might go as early as the winter.

Obviously, things have changed and more credit to him. Seems to have gone a mini renaissance, similar to Cancelo after his first year at City.

Seeing as AWB was injured and ill I wonder if those stories were not as credible as they appeared at the time. I remember there were a few of them.

 

[bosnian_red]

They're both good players but not elite, but good enough to be well down the list of needs to address

 

[sullydnl]

Seeing as AWB was injured and ill I wonder if those stories were not as credible as they appeared at the time. I remember there were a few of them.

The stories that he will be sold have continued throughout the season, as recently as a few weeks ago as reported in The Athletic.

Aaron Wan-Bissaka has done well in the second part of this season but United will listen to offers for him should there be interest. Talks are ongoing over a new contract for Diogo Dalot, who also plays the position

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

The stories that he will be sold have continued throughout the season, as recently as a few weeks ago as reported in The Athletic.

Surely they have the weather guy writing these.

 

[sullydnl]

They're both good players but not elite, but good enough to be well down the list of needs to address

The two obvious priorities are CF and CM.

Beyond that though I wouldn't be overly surprised at any order of priority for the rest on ETH's part. The reports have been that RB was next, it could just as easily be GK, if Maguire is leaving then CB. Even another midfielder or attacker wouldn't overly surprise me depending on outgoings.

What I would say is that if ETH has point blank decided he wants a new RB, then people should be more pleased than displeased at us selling either AWB or Dalot when they've had relatively good seasons. Because that's how you actually get decent fees for players. If they don't fit the plans, making the "tough" call to sell while interest might be high is a good thing.

 

[bosnian_red]

The two obvious priorities are CF and CM.

Beyond that though I wouldn't be overly surprised at any order of priority for the rest on ETH's part. The reports have been that RB was next, it could just as easily be GK, if Maguire is leaving then CB. Even another midfielder or attacker wouldn't overly surprise me depending out outgoings.

What I would say is that if ETH has point blank decided he wants a new RB, then people should be more pleased than displeased at us selling either AWB or Dalot when they've had relatively good seasons. Because that's how you actually get decent fees for players. If they don't fit the plans, selling while interest might be high is a good thing.

Oh for sure. Being ruthless is selling someone even if they do alright, because they don't quite fit your need... Generally though you want the team up to par first before doing that, also needs to be a stand out target out there.

Striker and goalkeeper by a mile the 2 main priorities for me, striker we have championship level given Martial (who is more Europa League level anyway) is always injured and it's the most important position on the pitch to getting results, and in net de Gea is mid table at best for me. Past them it's actual depth for casemiro. Not ideal but we can definitely live without getting a big CM signing. Someone like Lavia for example who can cover casemiro or partner him, can learn off both casemiro and Eriksen. Just a perfect signing for us. Right back just seems kind of unnecessary given there aren't clear top quality targets

 

[Woziak]

Can’t see either going, if we get bought by Qataris, we’ll buy J Frimpong as well and keep all 3, Dalot would be second choice left back as well as Frimpong can play Right Wing and is more of goal threat than AWB and Dalot, but you get the impression, AWB is starting to grow on ETH, he may even turn him into A destructive CDM too.

 

[Member 117152]

I could see AWB doing a job as a squad player for any club on the planet right now. His tackling is 10/10 probably the best I’ve ever seen at that skill.

A side like Madrid would probably get some use out of him when they are closing out big games. He’s that elite at his limited skillset it’s a great option to have for anyone off the bench.

Dalot meanwhile I get he’s an all round player but master of nothing. He can be replaced much easier.

 

[Top]

Really hope we do not sell AWB to a rival team.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I’d sell Dalot. He’s not particularly good at anything. Awb is poor on the ball but an incredible one on one defender. Mitoma would have created a lot yesterday if he wasn’t facing Awb.

Neither are starter material for a top team.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

The two obvious priorities are CF and CM.

Beyond that though I wouldn't be overly surprised at any order of priority for the rest on ETH's part. The reports have been that RB was next, it could just as easily be GK, if Maguire is leaving then CB. Even another midfielder or attacker wouldn't overly surprise me depending on outgoings.

What I would say is that if ETH has point blank decided he wants a new RB, then people should be more pleased than displeased at us selling either AWB or Dalot when they've had relatively good seasons. Because that's how you actually get decent fees for players. If they don't fit the plans, making the "tough" call to sell while interest might be high is a good thing.

GK is as obvious as midfield

 

[Isotope]

I’d sell Dalot. He’s not particularly good at anything. Awb is poor on the ball but an incredible one on one defender. Mitoma would have created a lot yesterday if he wasn’t facing Awb.

Neither are starter material for a top team.

If possible, I'd sell Malacia than Dalot. Dalot is a better cover for both sides.

 

[yfoFC]

I’d sell Dalot. He’s not particularly good at anything. Awb is poor on the ball but an incredible one on one defender. Mitoma would have created a lot yesterday if he wasn’t facing Awb.

Neither are starter material for a top team.

I honestly feel people have a hard time letting go of preconceived notions on forums (or irl) as this is clearly an area AWB has improved on massively this season

He has been been better than Dalot offensively in recent weeks (apart from that horrendous miss) best exemplified by his wonderful skill to beat two Brighton players today and it's not the first time he's shown such skills recently

People need to learn to revise their opinions based on current evidence as shocking as it is, people (players included) do grow and add more to their skill set.

AWB hasn't been poor on the ball in quite sometime

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I honestly feel people have a hard time letting go of preconceived notions on forums (or irl) as this is clearly an area AWB has improved on massively this season

He has been been better than Dalot offensively in recent weeks (apart from that horrendous miss) best exemplified by his wonderful skill to beat two Brighton players today and it's not the first time he's shown such skills recently

People need to learn to revise their opinions based on current evidence as shocking as it is, people (players included) do grow and add more to their skill set.

AWB hasn't been poor on the ball in quite sometime

Actually people are too easily swayed by results. He has improved - there was this one peformance a few games ago (Everton?) when he was seemingly a different player - but in general aside from being the best version of himself Awb cannot do more. He’s not suddenly going to become a high quality player on the ball. We can revise it to decent from poor but it’s all semantics and in the context of one of the worlds biggest football clubs.

Like I said, I’d keep this version of Awb over Dalot. But he’s still not starting 11 quality if we want to match the top teams.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

If possible, I'd sell Malacia than Dalot. Dalot is a better cover for both sides.

I quite like Malacia and having a left footed LB tbh. Unless they’re peak Cancelo or better, Irwin level on the ball.

 

[yfoFC]

Actually people are too easily swayed by results. He has improved - there was this one peformance a few games ago (Everton?) when he was seemingly a different player - but in general aside from being the best version of himself Awb cannot do more. He’s not suddenly going to become a high quality player on the ball. We can revise it to decent from poor but it’s all semantics and in the context of one of the worlds biggest football clubs.

Like I said, I’d keep this version of Awb over Dalot. But he’s still not starting 11 quality if we want to match the top teams.

I disagree, he's the best in the world at doing his number 1 duty as a RB and now he's shown he's decent going forward. His link up play with Antony has been outstanding and only thing I would critic is he needs to add more assists

But I feel he's better than the options we'll get out in the market. Time will tell which one of us is correct and I agree that his good form sample size has been too small to bank on him 100% but I have every faith and confidence in him to be our starting RB and do a great job

 

[Isotope]

I quite like Malacia and having a left footed LB tbh. Unless they’re peak Cancelo or better, Irwin level on the ball.

Cancelo or Irwin level won't be a backup though . That would be United legend level.

 

[DOTA]

I disagree, he's the best in the world at doing his number 1 duty as a RB and now he's shown he's decent going forward. His link up play with Antony has been outstanding and only thing I would critic is he needs to add more assists

But I feel he's better than the options we'll get out in the market. Time will tell which one of us is correct and I agree that his good form sample size has been too small to bank on him 100% but I have every faith and confidence in him to be our starting RB and do a great job

I don't think so. He makes some excellent tackles but he still switches off at the back post and it seems less and less likely that can be removed from his game.

 

[justsomebloke]

The way things stand, this is the wrong debate - the issue is neither Dalot or AWB have shown enough to warrant faith as a clear starter at RB going forward. And we don't need both of them for a backup.

 

[justsomebloke]

I honestly feel people have a hard time letting go of preconceived notions on forums (or irl) as this is clearly an area AWB has improved on massively this season

He has been been better than Dalot offensively in recent weeks (apart from that horrendous miss) best exemplified by his wonderful skill to beat two Brighton players today and it's not the first time he's shown such skills recently

People need to learn to revise their opinions based on current evidence as shocking as it is, people (players included) do grow and add more to their skill set.

AWB hasn't been poor on the ball in quite sometime

No, but he also is a long way away from being a high-impact RB offensively.

 

[yfoFC]

I don't think so. He makes some excellent tackles but he still switches off at the back post and it seems less and less likely that can be removed from his game.

Yes, that's a weakness to his game but I heartily disagree that it is something that cannot be worked on.

ETH is a great coach, I have faith he can coach this aspect of AWB (even if not directly but a version of what McCarthy is doing for Rashford to work on specific weaknesses). It is definitely coachable

 

[yfoFC]

No, but he also is a long way away from being a high-impact RB offensively.

Let me ask. What is his number one duty as a defender?

 

[The Boy]

Awb is poor on the ball but an incredible one on one defender.

Surprised people are still saying this, his skill with the ball has come on leaps and bounds this season, as seen yesterday.

 

[DOTA]

Surprised people are still saying this, his skill with the ball has come on leaps and bounds this season, as seen yesterday.

Running with the ball has been a welcome addition to his game but the passing is still really not great.

 

[gajender]

Surprised people are still saying this, his skill with the ball has come on leaps and bounds this season, as seen yesterday.

No it hasn't its still the same , his problem is more about ball progression , quality of passes and in general being inability to deal with press well .

It's good he showing improvement in form might be easier to get decent fee in Summer for him .

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I disagree, he's the best in the world at doing his number 1 duty as a RB and now he's shown he's decent going forward. His link up play with Antony has been outstanding and only thing I would critic is he needs to add more assists

But I feel he's better than the options we'll get out in the market. Time will tell which one of us is correct and I agree that his good form sample size has been too small to bank on him 100% but I have every faith and confidence in him to be our starting RB and do a great job

That’s a lot of hyperbole. He’s the best one on one defending RB but football has evolved and the role now encompasses many more things than this supposed number 1 duty. That is if we want to be a top class side. If we don’t then enjoy Awb being decent on the ball then. At Palace it was indeed by far his number 1 job which is nowhere near enough at United. Good option to have, not a starter material.

It’s funny. People want us to dominate games like Arsenal and City but a few good results / run of displays and players like Awb will apparently do and we forget that we are usually camped on our half against teams like Brighton because we don’t have players suited to dominating (like Awb)

 

[Woodzy]

AWB as backup, new right back as first choice.

Id probably have Dalot as a backup left back over Malacia right now, and Shaw as a backup CB.

 

[Fortitude]

The way things stand, this is the wrong debate - the issue is neither Dalot or AWB have shown enough to warrant faith as a clear starter at RB going forward. And we don't need both of them for a backup.

Depends. Both as backups on either flank works, I think.

But starters? Neither are in what that class should represent.

 

[Bebestation]

AWB isn’t just a 1 vs 1 defender anymore. He intercepts, has better positioning, doesn’t get beat on the back post and has heading ability.

AWB is now a great defensive all rounded fullback.

Only the fanbase that only rated attacking fullbacks will not see this.

 

[ArbeitervonWien]

AWB as backup, new right back as first choice.

Id probably have Dalot as a backup left back over Malacia right now, and Shaw as a backup CB.

Right back would be quite low on my priority list right now. CF, GK, CM, back ups for DM and CB would all come before a new RB in my book. Dalot and AWB can both be great on their day and they complement each other well. I'd have no complaints going into the new season with those two.

 

[Bebestation]

I don't think so. He makes some excellent tackles but he still switches off at the back post and it seems less and less likely that can be removed from his game.

When did this last happen?

 

[DOTA]

When did this last happen?

There was a particularly infuriating example, possibly last month.

 

[Bebestation]

Some fans are just southgate like.

Will play Frimpong or TAA directly in front of Mbappe.

That’s why I know AWB isn’t going anywhere - any tactical manager isn’t going to let go of a player that can completely shut off a whole side of the pitch by himself - especially since the modern game the attacker comes arguably more from the wide than the Centre.

 

[HarryP]

We have to be ruthless and sell AWB while his stock is high.

He's a good player but he doesn't fit the profile of an ETH right back. There's a reason why we've been one of the worst clubs in the world in terms of player sales in recent years - we only try to sell players who've been frozen out or are in a bad spell of form.

We should get £30-35m for him in the Summer and reinvest towards a player who's a better fit for ETH's system.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

My only concern with keeping AWB are the rumours he wanted to go back to London, it kind of feels like he’s here on borrowed time as he doesn’t want to stick around but the way he’s played & the faith shown mean that could easily have changed.