Dalot vs Wan-Bissaka

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Must have been a bit off after the illness on Sunday to not have played him on Wednesday
 
Don't think it is even close. Wan Bissaka has a lot more to his game than Dalot does.
 
Quite the turn around from Bissaka! Even showing a lot of skill and calmness on the ball.
 
One thing AWB is doing now that I love is his sudden dart through a gap in midfield after holding the ball up a second, where it looks like he’ll either pass or try and go up the wing instead. It immediately puts us on the front foot by taking out one or more of the opposing midfielders.

Post-WC Dalot, on the other hand, has been much more ponderous and predictable with the ball at his feet.
 
Both are not making me too confident before Champions League matches next season, but Wan is a killer after losing the ball with ability to get it back lightning quick, not to mention can harass any attacker with a clean tackle. Also didn't look half tired today and doesn't get injured very often.

Interesting sings are there.
 
I think people have listened to what the media have said and ran with it. But actually, Wan-Bissaka, has been class on the ball pretty much since he came back into the fold. The pass he made to McTominay was class. What a fantastic performance!
 
AWB has been very good in almost every game, some of the passes was just unreal and didn't expect from him.

Dalot had position locked for first half of the season but now it looks like AWB is miles better than Dalot.
 
The one thing I like from AwB that I didn't think will work is how his crazy slide tackling can help our press.

A few times he's tackled an opponent at the edge of the middle third and turned their counter into our counter.

Tough to see what we do in the summer at RB. Could easily see all three scenarios being possible - we sell Dalot, we sell AwB or keep both. I'd say the first is the most likely with Dalot not on a long contract yet and then it's pretty unclear.
 
roonster09 said:
AWB has been very good in almost every game, some of the passes was just unreal and didn't expect from him.

Dalot had position locked for first half of the season but now it looks like AWB is miles better than Dalot.
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Agreed.

I've been banging this drum for a while now. AWB isn't at the top level but he is now looking like he can do a job for us. I thought today was one of the best games I've seen him play. If we did bring in Frimpong, AWB would be a perfect back up.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Redcafe get it seriously wrong on a poll again.
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Hindsight is great. Up until the World Cup, Dalot was well ahead. It's now shifted in AWB's favour. The idea that the above poll is indicative of Redcafe being clueless is stupid. As great as AWB's comeback is to see, I still wouldn't be surprised to see him leave in the summer.
 
Dalot had a good start but his supposed strength, his attacking play, has been underwhelming
 
Ten Hag has worked wonders on Wan Bissaka, credit to the player for putting the work in. No doubt he is the first choice right back now and although I hope we sign another, I would be gutted to see him leave anytime soon. He has earned that chance with his recent performances and is still improving meanwhile I can’t remember a single good performance from Dalot this year.
 
Neil_Buchanan said:
Ten Hag has worked wonders on Wan Bissaka, credit to the player for putting the work in. No doubt he is the first choice right back now and although I hope we sign another, I would be gutted to see him leave anytime soon. He has earned that chance with his recent performances and is still improving meanwhile I can’t remember a single good performance from Dalot this year.
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His last good performance was before the World Cup.
 
Long Time Red said:
The debate is over.

If there's a RB leaving this summer it should be Dalot.
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Never even began for me. Said it all season, even when Dalot was playing and playing pretty well.....and got absolutely slated a million times for it.

Dalot is an average defender. His positioning is better than Bissaka.....and that is the only thing he is clearly better at. He is marginally better at defending crosses....but offensively always been so over rated, ok driving with the ball but there are dozens of players better, hsi shooting is ok but his passing and final ball has never been much better than Bissakas, its so over rated.

On the other hand Bissaka going forward has been pilloried going forward so often on this site. He isnt special going forward and his decision making isnt brilliant......but he isnt awful and no worse than Dalot. He is decent runnign with the ball and ok when he keeps t simply...that is key for me, a coupel of seasons ago he looked good when he drove up and down the pitch and played the ball off quickly and simply....which he is doing again now, though more creatively, which is good to see. His positioning is still poor and he has some brain farts, but one v one in a good back four, he is top tier.

People were onyl having a debate as Bissaka fell off on his progression last season (liek many) and because Dalot was plying. Could argue same again now as Bissaka is playing. I would like to see us sign an attack minded right back in the summer as a different option that is postionallly beter, it doesnt have to be a big big signing....and its a relatively small net spend as Dalot is the player should be sold at right back this summer.....and that was never a debate for me at any point of th elast 3seasons
 
It’s weird but I think we should be celebrating both players. This thread alone should show that progress is not linear and both have improved to degrees this season, especially from last year.

Both players have their strengths and weaknesses, which are always wildly overstated. I sure I can find posts at the start of the season praising Dalot’s defending at the back post and other critics of Wan’s composure. I’m wondering are those same folk holding the same opinions?

I’ve always believed that Wan could reach higher levels, and for me his issues are confidence based rather than attacking output as others have suggested. I also believe Dalot will find form again and hopefully they push each other to higher levels.
 
Borninthe80ts said:
It’s weird but I think we should be celebrating both players. This thread alone should show that progress is not linear and both have improved to degrees this season, especially from last year.

Both players have their strengths and weaknesses, which are always wildly overstated. I sure I can find posts at the start of the season praising Dalot’s defending at the back post and other critics of Wan’s composure. I’m wondering are those same folk holding the same opinions?

I’ve always believed that Wan could reach higher levels, and for me his issues are confidence based rather than attacking output as others have suggested. I also believe Dalot will find form again and hopefully they push each other to higher levels.
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The difference is Dalot had what, a 10 game decent spell where he looked good but other than that has been distinctly mediocre his entire United career.

Wan-Bissaka had a very good first two seasons but has really improved on the ball this season.
 
Say what you want about AWB missing a near open-goal with a split second to react, or some wayward passing. He's clearly trying hard to be more attacking despite it not being a natural part of his game.

Defensively, I wouldn't want anyone else at right-back to make a tackle. Dalot just passes through games and his attacking output isn't that impressive.
 
Whenever AWB plays you will never see a match where opponent left winger keep exploiting the left side to create chances like what happened vs Newcastle when Dalot was playing (against St. Max)

AWB is fast and strong in defense. Now he is starting to contribute to attack. Tremendous improvement overall. Suddenly RB is not necessarily to upgrade in the summer.
 
jesperjaap said:
Never even began for me. Said it all season, even when Dalot was playing and playing pretty well.....and got absolutely slated a million times for it.

Dalot is an average defender. His positioning is better than Bissaka.....and that is the only thing he is clearly better at. He is marginally better at defending crosses....but offensively always been so over rated, ok driving with the ball but there are dozens of players better, hsi shooting is ok but his passing and final ball has never been much better than Bissakas, its so over rated.

On the other hand Bissaka going forward has been pilloried going forward so often on this site. He isnt special going forward and his decision making isnt brilliant......but he isnt awful and no worse than Dalot. He is decent runnign with the ball and ok when he keeps t simply...that is key for me, a coupel of seasons ago he looked good when he drove up and down the pitch and played the ball off quickly and simply....which he is doing again now, though more creatively, which is good to see. His positioning is still poor and he has some brain farts, but one v one in a good back four, he is top tier.

People were onyl having a debate as Bissaka fell off on his progression last season (liek many) and because Dalot was plying. Could argue same again now as Bissaka is playing. I would like to see us sign an attack minded right back in the summer as a different option that is postionallly beter, it doesnt have to be a big big signing....and its a relatively small net spend as Dalot is the player should be sold at right back this summer.....and that was never a debate for me at any point of th elast 3seasons
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Good analysis, I agree with all of that. Especially the point about AWB keeping it simple in attack, ie not asking or expecting him to be a TAA or a Reese James in his attacking play. Not many RBs can do what they do (in an attacking sense) so no point expecting him to emulate that.

And he does occasionally lose concentration and switch off defensively but 9 times out of 10 his speed and inspector gadget legs allow him to recover. Plus his height is a bonus for him, we don't have a lot of tall players in the team.
 
Long Time Red said:
The difference is Dalot had what, a 10 game decent spell where he looked good but other than that has been distinctly mediocre his entire United career.

Wan-Bissaka had a very good first two seasons but has really improved on the ball this season.
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I would say it was more than a 10 game spell over half a season, not that I’m saying his he has made the most of his talents as regularly as he should. Up until the World Cup the chat was about him being the leagues form fullback. Def wouldn’t say mediocre.

I agree that Wan was good for 2 seasons and his form dipped like everyone last year. However I’d suggest that he was showing those traits on the ball previously too. I’ve always thought if he could find a regular partner on the flank he could show them more. He moves into unusual positions and can play one twos to open up play. Also think he would have more assists if we had a six yard box striker.

As was suggested before I think he should have been capped by England at least a couple of years ago, when he was in similar form. However his ‘ weaknesses’ going forward, for me, were over blown then too.
 
Alexander-Arnold showed yesterday why you need to have a RB with decent level of defensive competence.

The quality of wingers in the Premier League is only going to continue to rise and you can't have a liability at RB regardless of how good they are going forward, ay least against the other top teams.
 
Borninthe80ts said:
It’s weird but I think we should be celebrating both players. This thread alone should show that progress is not linear and both have improved to degrees this season, especially from last year.

Both players have their strengths and weaknesses, which are always wildly overstated. I sure I can find posts at the start of the season praising Dalot’s defending at the back post and other critics of Wan’s composure. I’m wondering are those same folk holding the same opinions?

I’ve always believed that Wan could reach higher levels, and for me his issues are confidence based rather than attacking output as others have suggested. I also believe Dalot will find form again and hopefully they push each other to higher levels.
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We can celebrate both but we have to get rid of one.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Whenever AWB plays you will never see a match where opponent left winger keep exploiting the left side to create chances like what happened vs Newcastle when Dalot was playing (against St. Max)

AWB is fast and strong in defense. Now he is starting to contribute to attack. Tremendous improvement overall. Suddenly RB is not necessarily to upgrade in the summer.
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RB was never going to be the priority this summer, but if the club are able to get Frimpong or Pavard as rumors have been speculating it should still be done. Keep AWB as a rotational player and sell Dalot.
 
The coaches are doing an exceptional job, I would never think AWB can be so comfortable with the ball now, they are performing magic!
 
Todd said:
RB was never going to be the priority this summer, but if the club are able to get Frimpong or Pavard as rumors have been speculating it should still be done. Keep AWB as a rotational player and sell Dalot.
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Im not sure Pavard is attacking enough to keep AWB as the 2nd option.

Pavard could maybe be a back up RCB as well as being RB - but I’d go for a even more attacking option.
 
The Caf does it again. 100% behind Dalot, then AWB steps in due to injury and WC and now 100% behind AWB.

Dalot has improved defensively by miles since ETH joined us. He was by far the worst defensive RB in the league and before the WC had become very good. AWB has improved in distribution, ball progression, positioning, pretty much everything. AWB had good seasons under Ole, so we knew he could do the job. Just goes to show you what a fraud Ralf was, managing to make both of them much worse than their ability.

I actually think that both have their merits and we’d be wise to keep both. Forget Pavard (who is more of a CB than RB IMHO). Let’s spend money on a top class striker, and more midfield assets.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
We can celebrate both but we have to get rid of one.
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Genuine question though why? Both seem characters that won’t rock the boat and speak well in regard to competition for places.

Clearly Wan is ahead right now but for me unless we can get someone who has been better than both for at least a couple years is it worth it? I’m also hoping for Laird or maybe Jurado come through ala Mainoo.
 
I would sell AWB and keep AWB brother who joined us in Jan.

On a serious note, I thought Dalot was exceptional before the World Cup but since then has either been injured or average. All in all we have seen 3 to 6 months of a good Dalot and nothing else really.

With AWB, in my opinion, he is the best defensive right back in the league, possibly the world. His major flaw was getting up the pitch, creativity, quick passes, crossing a ball or in general getting the ball in a attacking position. Since Jan, he has improved massively. With coaching, staying injury free, proper direction and ETH, I think his ceiling is much higher.

Dalot cannot defend, Frimmpong is not the best defender (from what I have seen but happy to be corrected as I genuinely have not seen much of him), so it makes sense to not have two right backs that do practically the same thing.

I voted AWB, i stand by it and continue to be impressed with his improvement. A proper pre season, who knows what he could be. He could also be the best back up in the world, if he wants to stay.
 
Long Time Red said:
The debate is over.

If there's a RB leaving this summer it should be Dalot.
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I agree totally with this. Dalot started the season well, but the way AWB has played since the new year has been superb..He has his flaws but I feel Dalot flatters to deceive more often than not..
getting a Frimpong and having a defensive full back as backup maybe be the exact thing we need in regards to squad depth.
 
Wan-Bissaka featured in 23 games this season (12 premier league, 5 carabao cup, 2 fa cup and 4 europa league). We won 19, drew 3 and lost 1 (away to Arsenal). Not bad. Like his progress, i feel like although he still has brainfarts (like giving away the ball after 15 seconds vs Everton in a dangerous position with a very bad pass) and is no world beater offensivly, he improved a lot and right now i am feeling way better with him starting than with Dalot.

Think RB should not be prioritized this summer as the competition of AWB and Dalot is good and they are both not too far off each other. Both not world class but we have bigger issues and both are in the best age, so maybe one can step up and improve even further.
 
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