Dalot vs Wan-Bissaka

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Borninthe80ts said:
Genuine question though why? Both seem characters that won’t rock the boat and speak well in regard to competition for places.

Clearly Wan is ahead right now but for me unless we can get someone who has been better than both for at least a couple years is it worth it? I’m also hoping for Laird or maybe Jurado come through ala Mainoo.
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Neither will be okay being third choice nor should we have such a costly third choice right back / turn down a fee for said third choice right back. Why can’t either (whoever is better) have this healthy competition with a RB who is at the required level?

A better, more attacking right back would elevate our right hand side. Ambitious teams do not sit idly letting their weak spots drag them down. That criteria is not realistic. Our manager and scouting staff etc need to believe the new RB is an improvement even if they have shown it for 6 months.
 
AWB is currently playing much better of the two and has been since the World Cup.
 
Why we need to upgrade RB when we have 2 very young and developing RBs who have the potential to become world class?

If we were bought over by an owner who has bottomless pit then by all means go and buy a world class RB which may cost min 60M. We desperately need world class ST and MF.

Realistically we should keep both. AWB clearly is the better RB and should be the first choice. Dalot is a very good back up but need to improve a lot of defensive side. He was terrible against St. Max in Newcastle game.
 
I would sell Dalot ( we would get a decent price for a Portugese international). Keep Ethan Laird as backup to AWB
 
Bebestation said:
Do you rate Frimpong as a Dutch fan?
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Can't understand why Koeman does not play him. I rate him higher than Dumfries who can't defend to save his life. But I would like to give Laird a chance. We have other priorities
 
This is so down my personal list of concerns for the summer...it's the one area I think we have two perfectly adequate players that we can rotate. IMHO there is zero reason to sell either of them and/or buy anyone else, and it could potentially create risk if we did that the player coming in would be worse and/or more expensive.

This isn't Fifa 23 or football manager...we can't just keep selling perfectly good players for players that might be rated higher but give us little actual improvement. This one is easy...keep both for next season.
 
pogbasformerbarber said:
This is so down my personal list of concerns for the summer...it's the one area I think we have two perfectly adequate players that we can rotate. IMHO there is zero reason to sell either of them and/or buy anyone else, and it could potentially create risk if we did that the player coming in would be worse and/or more expensive.

This isn't Fifa 23 or football manager...we can't just keep selling perfectly good players for players that might be rated higher but give us little actual improvement. This one is easy...keep both for next season.
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What if we have to sell to fund the incoming this summer?
 
pogbasformerbarber said:
This is so down my personal list of concerns for the summer...it's the one area I think we have two perfectly adequate players that we can rotate. IMHO there is zero reason to sell either of them and/or buy anyone else, and it could potentially create risk if we did that the player coming in would be worse and/or more expensive.

This isn't Fifa 23 or football manager...we can't just keep selling perfectly good players for players that might be rated higher but give us little actual improvement. This one is easy...keep both for next season.
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They are perfectly good if all we want to do is remain top 4 hopefuls. Since that’s where you want us to be then it is indeed an easy one.
 
dutchred said:
I would sell Dalot ( we would get a decent price for a Portugese international). Keep Ethan Laird as backup to AWB
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So Awb is our first choice RB for the foreseeable future? I think some of you are being swayed by a few recent games. He’s still really mediocre on the ball and offers nothing in that regard once teams crank up the press.

This is often the problem with the discourse here regarding the team or individuals - a good performance and it’s issue resolved!, a bad performance and we/ they are shit.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Why we need to upgrade RB when we have 2 very young and developing RBs who have the potential to become world class?

If we were bought over by an owner who has bottomless pit then by all means go and buy a world class RB which may cost min 60M. We desperately need world class ST and MF.

Realistically we should keep both. AWB clearly is the better RB and should be the first choice. Dalot is a very good back up but need to improve a lot of defensive side. He was terrible against St. Max in Newcastle game.
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They're not developing well. This is the fifth season in Dalot's contract with us (4th season with us because he was loaned out for one season). AWB's 4th season. Both was given 5 year contract with option for extra season. With this kind of contract, at the moment we're pressed to renew them, so we can continue their uncertain development.

At their developing rate, it's unlikely neither ever reaching world class potential (personally I doubt they really have all round world class potential). AWB is more useful but he's too expensive for his usefulness. If we're to sign a new RB, we want that one to nail down and play a lot, so having an expensive back up is not ideal. Even when AWB doing well, we're unlikely able to sell and get back what we paid for him

Dalot is much less expensive so his value depreciation if he's just a bench warmer is much less severe in few year time in the future.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Neither will be okay being third choice nor should we have such a costly third choice right back / turn down a fee for said third choice right back. Why can’t either (whoever is better) have this healthy competition with a RB who is at the required level?

A better, more attacking right back would elevate our right hand side. Ambitious teams do not sit idly letting their weak spots drag them down. That criteria is not realistic. Our manager and scouting staff etc need to believe the new RB is an improvement even if they have shown it for 6 months.
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I actually meant being second choice and being in competition with each other and if we don’t purchase another right back. I wouldn’t except either to settle for being third in line and in that case I would expect one to leave.

You actually hit the issue I have on the head, who out of the candidates are of that required level? I know every transfer is a risk and would never suggest resting on the improvements made but it’s like people are saying change without highlighting exactly who is better and why.

In reality it comes down to trust I suppose. If Ten hag believes the current duo suffice for now, especially in regards to purchases in other crucial positions we shall see. Also for me the potential candidate will have have needed to have shown form for over 6 months. Ideally 18 months to 2 years.
 
Keep both. Both of them play very well today as LB and RB.

Dalot doing fine at RB except one sloppy touch that almost cause the team to concede.
 
I would be happy to keep both as I think it will not cost a lot to maintain both on our payroll. We should only get rid of one when we have signed an undisputed world class RB.
 
If we could combine both we’d have a fecking great right back, for me I think it’s AWB over Dalot and I think if we brought Frimpong in I’d move Dalot on then keep Laird as third choice as injury free Laird can do the same things that Dalot can.
 
Are they actually... both good at the same time now? :nervous:
 
amolbhatia50k said:
So Awb is our first choice RB for the foreseeable future? I think some of you are being swayed by a few recent games. He’s still really mediocre on the ball and offers nothing in that regard once teams crank up the press.

This is often the problem with the discourse here regarding the team or individuals - a good performance and it’s issue resolved!, a bad performance and we/ they are shit.
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Yakuza_devils said:
Keep both. Both of them play very well today as LB and RB.

Dalot doing fine at RB except one sloppy touch that almost cause the team to concede.
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:lol:
 
Typical EtH. We're arguing who should start and he starts both
 
Dalot gives us versatility, can cover LB also. AWB has improved so much, he’s a lot better on the ball and he’s quite decent at dribbling.
 
Dalot was impressive as a left back, and Wan-Bissaka continues to impress on the right.

Two solid options. We've been heavily linked to Frimpong, but its not a priority, in my opinion.
 
I love his attitude and his professionalism. I think it would be a terrible shame to lose someone of this character, especially given his admiration for the club.

Diego Stuart Pearce Dalot

Get in son
 
If we can get Dalot to playing pre-WC levels, and AWB to continue this upward trend I don't see any reason why we would get a new RB in considering we absolutely need CM (i'd argue 2) a ST, a CB and i'd say more crucial than RB is a GK
 
I still think a WC attacking FB makes a huge difference to a side. Neither of them provides that attack wise. Maybe it can balance out if we have a Marcelo, TAA type fullback on the other side but Shaw is pretty balanced and does everything well.

I think a punt on a young attacking fullback would be worth it but not the most important area to address clearly.
 
Teja said:
I still think a WC attacking FB makes a huge difference to a side. Neither of them provides that attack wise. Maybe it can balance out if we have a Marcelo, TAA type fullback on the other side but Shaw is pretty balanced and does everything well.

I think a punt on a young attacking fullback would be worth it but not the most important area to address clearly.
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Somewhere, Marcelo just winced at this.
 
golden_blunder said:
Can we stop the narrative now that he’s useless on the ball when he’s clearly not
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Still don't think he's all that but I guess his style is just really awkward.

He himself does not seem to trust his technique though - he purposely refused a shot on goal Dalot would take even though I'm not sure he'd do much worse than that skied effort in the first half.
 
Neville’s insistence in calling him Diego Dalot continues. Merson-esque.
 
golden_blunder said:
Can we stop the narrative now that he’s useless on the ball when he’s clearly not
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Exactly. He was good in the first 1-2 season with us. Not sure what went wrong the 3rd season with Ole. He was so bad (like Rashford) that everyone want him to be sold.

Luckily both came back strongly and became one of the best player in the position in the PL. What a turnaround, magical.

Now, hope Maguire and Lindelof next to improve.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Exactly. He was good in the first 1-2 season with us. Not sure what went wrong the 3rd season with Ole. He was so bad (like Rashford) that everyone want him to be sold.

Luckily both came back strongly and became one of the best player in the position in the PL. What a turnaround, magical.

Now, hope Maguire and Lindelof next to improve.
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A good positive post!
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Exactly. He was good in the first 1-2 season with us. Not sure what went wrong the 3rd season with Ole. He was so bad (like Rashford) that everyone want him to be sold.

Luckily both came back strongly and became one of the best player in the position in the PL. What a turnaround, magical.

Now, hope Maguire and Lindelof next to improve.
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Like most of our players, AWB is simply benefiting from better coaching and clear instructions, as well as the team working far better as a unit. We now have a clear plan when we have the ball and and, as we have all seen in recent weeks, when there IS a plan and there ARE proper passing angles, AWB is more than capable on the ball
 
Yeah. The competition and the jeopardy of being sold has served the pair of them well. Both in the form of their united careers i'd say
 
I rather keep both. We have over 50 games to play in each seasons.
 
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