Dalot vs Wan-Bissaka

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Both are very close but if I had to choose one it will be AWB because Dalot defending against speedy winger is atrocious.

This position is not urgent to upgrade because we have many other positions as priorities.

If we are bought over by Qatar then we can look to upgrade RB.
RB is a hugely important position for us to upgrade, especially with the needs of our right wingers. To actually have quality and balance on both sides of our backline would be transformative.

Striker, central midfield (2 players) and then it's a toss up between keeper and right-back for most vital upgrade.
 
Both. Unless we sign someone truly special who will be one of the best 2 or 3 rightbacks in the world. They arent that. But they're good options
 
Both. Unless we sign someone truly special who will be one of the best 2 or 3 rightbacks in the world. They arent that. But they're good options
They're not good options though, are they? They are what we have to make do with and hope for the best.

Neither meets the prerequisites of an adequate, let alone great right-back.
 
They're not good options though, are they? They are what we have to make do with and hope for the best.

Neither meets the prerequisites of an adequate, let alone great right-back.
Yeah I find it odd that people think what we're currently working is good enough. It's no coincidence we've struggled to build from the right since fecking forever - even when Greenwood was flying he was basically doing it alone. It's essential we get someone in that is a natural going forward.
 
Agree with this page. Neither are elite and both could be sold easily. There has been interest in both previously and we can find better.
 
They're not good options though, are they? They are what we have to make do with and hope for the best.

Neither meets the prerequisites of an adequate, let alone great right-back.

Did you not read? Yes they are. Theres a reason our new manager was spending lots of money in other areas and didnt at rightback, and has commented that he likes both of them. There arent many "great" right backs, if we can find one sure until then we have much weaker areas.
 
Dalot started great but has really tailed off, so it’s definitely an area we can improve on.
RB, CM, CF and probably GK are the 4 positions we need massive improvement to go to the next level.
 
Are we linked with some RBs?

Yes. Jeremie Frimpong most recently.







And more generally The Athletic recently reported that RB would be our third priority behind a CF and CM this summer, with us looking to sell AWB.
 
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Did you not read? Yes they are. Theres a reason our new manager was spending lots of money in other areas and didnt at rightback, and has commented that he likes both of them. There arent many "great" right backs, if we can find one sure until then we have much weaker areas.
This is where I am with this
 
Yes. Jeremie Frimpong most recently.







And more generally The Athletic recently reported that RB would be our third priority behind a CF and CM this summer, with us looking to sell AWB.

Is he any good, must admit dont know 1st thing about the guy.
 
Is he any good, must admit dont know 1st thing about the guy.

Highly rated, very attacking, Dutch, was at City as a youth player so I think counts as homegrown.

Not sure where these stats are from so wouldn't hold them as gospel but they give a gist of the stylistic differences pretty well:

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Did you not read? Yes they are. Theres a reason our new manager was spending lots of money in other areas and didnt at rightback, and has commented that he likes both of them. There arent many "great" right backs, if we can find one sure until then we have much weaker areas.
When has what a manager said about his squad ever been indicative of what they might do in the market? ten Hag has praised Weghorst, De Gea, and McTominay to the high heavens, and made references to them being a part of his future plans, yet would anyone be at all surprised if we see a striker, goalkeeper and midfielder come in? There have been consistent links with Wan-Bissaka leaving and consistent links to Frimpong coming in. I also reckon the fact we keep juggling between Dalot and Wan-Bissaka is proof enough that neither are cutting the mustard for the manager.
 
If we move away from playing deep to a possession based system, Dalot will probably look a lot better.
But I like having the option of 1 defensive RB and 1 well rounded RB.
If we are in the CL, I wouldn't trust someone like Frimpong/Dalot to keep Vini/Mbappe in check.
AWB would be a good option in that case.
But my main issue with Dalot is his consistency, he's completely fallen off after the WC. Look decent vs Brentford but still nowhere close to his pre world cup form. Hope he picks up his form, because there's news that we are offering a new contract.
 
RB is a hugely important position for us to upgrade, especially with the needs of our right wingers. To actually have quality and balance on both sides of our backline would be transformative.

Striker, central midfield (2 players) and then it's a toss up between keeper and right-back for most vital upgrade.
I agree. We need to upgrade right back as well as every other area mentioned. Frimpong with Antony could be great.
 
If we get Frimpong who do we keep as back up?
 
AWB for defence duty for big game or when we want to close out a game at later stage.
We need to get out of this mindset Big teams try to impose their game against every body or atleast go toe to toe even against other big Clubs , I would be really disappointed if Ten Hag isn't thinking along the same lines once he has the players he can rely upon .
 
Dalot has really disappointed me lately. I still think he's the better player but the fact it's even become a valid topic of discussion is pretty abysmal considering how far down in ETH's thinking AWB seemed to be, and how ill suited he is technically. Dalot's limp performances have allowed that with credit also due to AWB for showing some fight.
 
We need to get out of this mindset Big teams try to impose their game against every body or atleast go toe to toe even against other big Clubs , I would be really disappointed if Ten Hag isn't thinking along the same lines once he has the players he can rely upon .
One of the main reasons why Real Madrid keeps winning the CL is their adaptability and versatility.
AWB gives us that option if our right flank gets pummeled, as most of the big clubs have dangerous left winger.
 
I think Wan Bissaka is a useful squad player he's shown in the big games how effective he can be against top quality wingers

Not sure about Dalot, he's pretty poor defensively and his best attribute which is attacking is pretty bang average, we should have a better first choice RB in my opinion.
 
Highly rated, very attacking, Dutch, was at City as a youth player so I think counts as homegrown.

Not sure where these stats are from so wouldn't hold them as gospel but they give a gist of the stylistic differences pretty well:

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Thats a cool comparison. Is it just this season? Dalot's numbers are surprisingly good.
 
We need to get out of this mindset Big teams try to impose their game against every body or atleast go toe to toe even against other big Clubs , I would be really disappointed if Ten Hag isn't thinking along the same lines once he has the players he can rely upon .

Agreed. I can’t understand people clamouring for a new goalkeeper but wanting to keep AWB. It’s such a hinderance having him receive the ball, unless he’s able to quickly shift the ball and run into space.

Those stats further up the page are pretty much exactly how I’d have imagined them look. If Dalot could offer a little bit more creativity then he’d be ideal.
 
If Dalot could offer a little bit more creativity then he’d be ideal.
At least with AWB he can be used as a defensive specialist.

Say what you will but I'd rather have a specialist than a journeyman, upgrade Dalot with Frimpong.
 
Highly rated, very attacking, Dutch, was at City as a youth player so I think counts as homegrown.

Not sure where these stats are from so wouldn't hold them as gospel but they give a gist of the stylistic differences pretty well:

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Frimpong looks a bit of a concern defensively. Only 2 progressive passes all season as well?
 
Highly rated, very attacking, Dutch, was at City as a youth player so I think counts as homegrown.

Not sure where these stats are from so wouldn't hold them as gospel but they give a gist of the stylistic differences pretty well:

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This doesn't exactly make Dalot look good and it's becoming apparent he too isn't good enough. With AWB ETH tends to minimise his involvement building up in our half (it's also why his performances on the ball get a bit overrated, he isn't actually taking as much risk and isn't expected to), instead has the DM coming over to rightback in the first third of play. Asides from starting Dalot in poor form the fact he doesn't have full trust to let AWB play from the back makes me think he'll never fully be ETH's cup of tea.
 
It's a shame because I thought Dalot was really (and finally) kicking on earlier in the season both defensively and offensively but it's still a problem position. A quick attacking fullback should help us create a lot more and also hopefully we can see Malacia keep up his improvement.
 
Thats a cool comparison. Is it just this season? Dalot's numbers are surprisingly good.

Not sure tbh, I just stole it off twitter. Wouldn't place too much weight on it beyond it neatly showing how their relative strengths differ.
 
Highly rated, very attacking, Dutch, was at City as a youth player so I think counts as homegrown.

Not sure where these stats are from so wouldn't hold them as gospel but they give a gist of the stylistic differences pretty well:

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Interesting and pretty much sums up what we’ve been told about Frimpong and what we know about our current two RBs.

For me, Dalot is very balanced but current lacks any outstanding qualities. Given his age he needs game time and we’ve seen how he tends to need a run of games to get to his best, so with Frimpong coming in he’ll only get the odd game here and there.

Dalot still also hasn’t signed a new contract either which means there’s a risk he goes next summer for free, which we need to start getting better at avoiding. If we can get £20-30m this summer we should take it.

AWB on the other hand is much less balanced but does have outstanding defensive qualities and can come in and do a specific job, like we saw in the Carabao final. He’s also homegrown, doesn’t seem to need a run of games like Dalot and we have the option of an extra year on his contract so we don’t risk losing him for free next summer. If he’s not happy next season or isn’t performing quite at the level we need, we can evaluate him again next summer.

In short: Dalot out, Frimpong in, AWB see again in 2024.
 
Did you not read? Yes they are. Theres a reason our new manager was spending lots of money in other areas and didnt at rightback, and has commented that he likes both of them. There arent many "great" right backs, if we can find one sure until then we have much weaker areas.
Tell me when or why a manager has stated he dislikes a player who he has to use and work with for a season. His job is to keep their morale high and try and extract the best he can out of a squad, no matter what his actual thoughts are regarding the predicament and standard. He also has to prioritise with the budget, which obviously means going to the most ruinous areas of the team first. RB is a dire position for us, but so too is striker and central midfield and they are more important areas of the pitch so get tended to first - same goes for his first season managing here: CB, CM and the RW are bigger priorities than fullback.

A good fullback knows and understands his role in both directions - or at least is exceptional in one direction - and is rock solid in terms of dependability, which is why it’s a 7/10 position as that consistency enables the flank and all on the inside to trust and rely on the FB always doing what he’s supposed to be doing. A great fullback excels in whatever niche it is that they have. Neither player is a good fullback; both fail to understand the fundamentals of being a rounded, competent fullback and neither have the technical proficiency to be dependable, and the biggest sin of all is the lack of consistency they have both shown.

A great right-back is the dream; in the interim a good right-back would enhance this team no end. Settling on either of these two, even whilst waiting for a gem to emerge, is setting this team back and causing unbalance in every regard when it comes to what they are contributing.
 
There’s been a winner for a while now but AWB keeps widening the gap.