Dalot vs Wan-Bissaka

[RedBanker]

Never ceases to amaze me how many stupid takes there are like this.

Here are the 25 most expensive RBs 25 and under according to Transfermarkt:

Player	Date of birth / Age	Nat.	Club	Height	Market value
Reece James	Dec 8, 1999 (23)	England	Chelsea FC	1,80	€70.00m
Achraf Hakimi	Nov 4, 1998 (24)	Morocco	Paris Saint-Germain	1,81	€70.00m
Trent Alexander-Arnold	Oct 7, 1998 (24)	England	Liverpool FC	1,80	€70.00m
Ben White	Oct 8, 1997 (25)	England	Arsenal FC	1,86	€45.00m
Diogo Dalot	Mar 18, 1999 (23)	Portugal	Manchester United	1,83	€32.00m
Emerson Royal	Jan 14, 1999 (24)	Brazil	Tottenham Hotspur	1,83	€30.00m
Noussair Mazraoui	Nov 14, 1997 (25)	Morocco	Bayern Munich	1,83	€28.00m
Pedro Porro	Sep 13, 1999 (23)	Spain	Tottenham Hotspur	1,73	€25.00m
Tino Livramento	Nov 12, 2002 (20)	England	Southampton FC	1,73	€25.00m
Jeremie Frimpong	Dec 10, 2000 (22)	Netherlands	Bayer 04 Leverkusen	1,71	€25.00m
Juan Foyth	Jan 12, 1998 (25)	Argentina	Villarreal CF	1,87	€25.00m
James Justin	Feb 23, 1998 (25)	England	Leicester City	1,83	€25.00m
Kyle Walker-Peters	Apr 13, 1997 (25)	England	Southampton FC	1,73	€25.00m
Takehiro Tomiyasu	Nov 5, 1998 (24)	Japan	Arsenal FC	1,88	€25.00m
Matty Cash	Aug 7, 1997 (25)	Poland	Aston Villa	1,85	€22.00m
Nahuel Molina	Apr 6, 1998 (24)	Argentina	Atlético de Madrid	1,75	€22.00m
Nordi Mukiele	Nov 1, 1997 (25)	France	Paris Saint-Germain	1,87	€20.00m
Vanderson	Jun 21, 2001 (21)	Brazil	AS Monaco	1,73	€18.00m
Neco Williams	Apr 13, 2001 (21)	Wales	Nottingham Forest	1,83	€18.00m
Aaron Wan-Bissaka	Nov 26, 1997 (25)	England	Manchester United	1,83	€18.00m
Max Aarons	Jan 4, 2000 (23)	England	Norwich City	1,71	€18.00m
Dodô	Nov 17, 1998 (24)	Brazil	ACF Fiorentina	1,66	€17.00m
Sergiño Dest	Nov 3, 2000 (22)	United States	AC Milan	1,71	€16.00m
Malo Gusto	May 19, 2003 (19)	France	Olympique Lyon	1,79	€15.00m
Tariq Lamptey	Sep 30, 2000 (22)	Ghana	Brighton & Hove Albion	1,63	€15.00m

Who are you signing then genius?

Give me some of what you are smoking. You are the real genius. Hats off.

 

[Donut]

A new poll would be a lot closer. I changed my vote, AWB is a superior choice for me right now.

 

[The Urban Goose]

AWB - better at defending.
Dalot - better going forward.

Neither is great.

Is the right answer.

Which would I start? It depends - horses for courses and all that.

 

[ManRant]

AWB wasn't very good in a defensive job vs Barca, everybody here seems to be ignoring that.

It's forgotten as it is not fit to the narrative of a few loud posters. It seems close to me between both of them, I would trust the manager to pick one he felt the best for the team, depending on the opponent. Just when some assumed the manager made mistake for choosing one over another, it is OTT and reeks of agenda.

Feel good to have both and looks like both can step up their game even higher.

 

[Kostov]

This version of AWB probably edges it for me. One thing that I think is crucial is that while the have different strengths and are different players, with AWB you can clearly see his world class ability to nullify a player and while prone to positional and focus lapses, he offers IMO the best defensive game from RBs in the game.

Dalot while being much more natural in attack, I don't think he excels in attack in any sort of way like AWB does in defense and tackling. For now I'd focus on other positions I think between the two of them we are all good.

 

[Yorkeontop]

As long as both guys are in form, we are sorted.

 

[el3mel]

Wan Bissaka made a great comeback this season. I never expected him to prove himself again as a main starter.

Another player revived by Ten Hag.

 

[JimmyWils]

Always seems to me like Wan-Bissaka is really solid at the back, but doesn't have much of anything going forward. Dalot on the other hand is a lot stronger going forward, and only slightly marginally at the back, which overall is a no-brainer for me.

Having the options of both however is a brilliant thing for the team.

 

[Shane88]

I don't understand the "Dalot is far better in attack" narrative.

Both their attacking numbers are abysmal. Bissaka is far better on the ball than Dalot and arguably the best 1-on-1 defending fullback in the world. Dalot is average across the board.

 

[Sandikan]

If Dalot gets back to his pre injury form he was looking really good.
Wan Bissaka has been revitalised, but still probably favours certain games.

Either way, you'd think we don't actually need to look at that position now.

 

[Sandikan]

I don't understand the "Dalot is far better in attack" narrative.

Both their attacking numbers are abysmal. Bissaka is far better on the ball than Dalot and arguably the best 1-on-1 defending fullback in the world. Dalot is average across the board.

This part is something I doubt anyone who watches our games could possibly agree on.

 

[MTF]

I don't understand the "Dalot is far better in attack" narrative.

Both their attacking numbers are abysmal. Bissaka is far better on the ball than Dalot and arguably the best 1-on-1 defending fullback in the world. Dalot is average across the board.

There's a phase of play that no one here seems to remember, and is often the one the fullback is most involved in, that's established possession. AWB is the poorest player in the squad in that phase of play, literally a press trigger for opposition and when he releases his pass it's often been telegraphed for about a second and sometimes puts the receiver in a really pressured situation.

 

[jeff_goldblum]

If we were relying on one or the other exclusively I'd say that position would be priority for an upgrade because both have big weaknesses. However, it's a squad game and between the two of them I think we're pretty solid there - horses for courses as others have said.

 

[afrocentricity]

There's a phase of play that no one here seems to remember, and is often the one the fullback is most involved in, that's established possession. AWB is the poorest player in the squad in that phase of play, literally a press trigger for opposition and when he releases his pass it's often been telegraphed for about a second and sometimes puts the receiver in a really pressured situation.

Why does ETH play him?

 

[maurinho]

Am I the only one who sees a future right CB in Wan Bissaka?

I agree. Especially in a 3-4-3

Guy is great defensively

 

[Member 117152]

Whoever plays we aren’t exactly super strong in that position but I’d have Dalot. We don’t need last ditch tackles too often and he gives us a bit more width / control to stretch the game.

AWB apart from the odd mazy run I don’t know what he’s good at on the ball. Takes it into dead ends and provides very little width or threat cutting inside.

The dream (if he isn’t found guilty) would be Hakimi. Shaw is a defensive full back so having a super attacking one on the other flank would be very nice for us.

 

[Rightnr]

Why does ETH play him?

EtH plays Weghorst. Does that mean he rates him as high as a Benzema?

 

[fezzerUTD]

Dalot is rubbish, crossing is woefully bad. AWB can at least defend.

 

[romufc]

Dalot is rubbish, crossing is woefully bad. AWB can at least defend.

This post is definitely a WUM. How can you watch United this season and say Dalot is rubbish? What because he doesn't cross?

You do realise we dont put that many crosses into the box, its actually a tactic from the manager, we prefer to play it around and break a team down than spam crosses.

 

[RedOrange]

Is this actually an either-or decision? It feels like we've just got the RB spot nailed down for the next few seasons at least and we can spend the transfer budget on a new CM, CF and GK.

It's a good thing for the manager to have 2 different options at one position and if we're going to compete in 4 competitions then there will be plenty of minutes for both of them.

 

[fezzerUTD]

This post is definitely a WUM. How can you watch United this season and say Dalot is rubbish? What because he doesn't cross?

You do realise we dont put that many crosses into the box, its actually a tactic from the manager, we prefer to play it around and break a team down than spam crosses.

Alright touchy touchy. He’s not very good. Your defending of him is beautiful though, maybe you would make a good right back.

 

[MTF]

Why does ETH play him?

Dalot has started slightly over half the games since he's been back from injury I reckon (at a quick glance).

I'm not denying what AWB does provide, which is some world class shutting down of left wingers that are looking to create via carrying/dribbling in the final third. If that's the main threat of the opposing team it's worth playing AWB. But the team does play around his limitations in possession, in terms of which positions he takes up and where he's really considered a viable option to receive a pass. Namely, he rarely takes up or receives a pass in the sort of DM position on the right like Shaw does on the left.

 

[romufc]

Alright touchy touchy. He’s not very good. Your defending of him is beautiful though, maybe you would make a good right back.

Yep backing your players is touchy... I reckon you would make a good ABU.

 

[fezzerUTD]

Yep backing your players is touchy... I reckon you would make a good ABU.

Oh give me a break. I think Dalot is not a good footballer and im hounded by some drone over it, blabbering on about EtH tactics thinking you know what you’re on about when all i stated was he’s not a good crosser. Casemiro scored from a cross a few times so we cross enough. You’ve only been here 3 years with over 11k posts go outside or something.

 

[afrocentricity]

EtH plays Weghorst. Does that mean he rates him as high as a Benzema?

Does he have Benzema on his team? What an asinine post...

 

[romufc]

Oh give me a break. I think Dalot is not a good footballer and im hounded by some drone over it, blabbering on about EtH tactics thinking you know what you’re on about when all i stated was he’s not a good crosser. Casemiro scored from a cross a few times so we cross enough. You’ve only been here 3 years with over 11k posts go outside or something.

I see you think you are some kind of bully, this is a football forum if you were not aware. I suggest you go try have personal attacks on people in person rather than sitting behind a desk and doing it thinking you are some big man saying go outside. What I do with my time should not concern you.

If you dont want people replying, dont post. simple.

Casemiro has scored from set plays, if you think Casemiro scoring from a few crosses = United spam crosses, shows your football IQ.

 

[FriedClams]

It's AWB. He's legitimately one of, if not the, hardest player to go past in world football. There is no argument whatsoever for someone to be better as a full back in a one-on-one defending scenario. Dalot doesnt come close to the top of any list of fullback prerequisites unless we start measuring the amount of high fives someone gives.

 

[Strootman's Finger]

It's AWB. He's legitimately one of, if not the, hardest player to go past in world football. There is no argument whatsoever for someone to be better as a full back in a one-on-one defending scenario. Dalot doesnt come close to the top of any list of fullback prerequisites unless we start measuring the amount of high fives someone gives.

I really like AWB and would continue to pick him at the moment, but the modern fullback is about a lot more than just defending. But I personally think AWB is underrated when we are talking about things other than defending. I feel like AWB has gotten himself into really good attacking positions lately, he seems to slot into the half spaces and becomes almost like another midfielder.

 

[Eli Zee]

It's AWB. He's legitimately one of, if not the, hardest player to go past in world football. There is no argument whatsoever for someone to be better as a full back in a one-on-one defending scenario. Dalot doesnt come close to the top of any list of fullback prerequisites unless we start measuring the amount of high fives someone gives.

That's true. But he has weaknesses.

1. Less offensive output / efficiency.

2. He sometimes is careless / not paying attention, so he's out of position or not marking his man right, which can be fixed and I think that he's already improved on a lot since ETH's arrival.

3. I think we will have trouble controlling games if he's not as good at holding the ball, dribbling, passing, etc as the other players, which leads to more defending.

 

[Bosws87]

Dalot is average at everything at best.

AWB is exceptional at tackling and one of the best 1 v 1 defenders in the world, just look at Saint Max on Sunday and check out his frustration after playing against AWB, he changed the game nullified Newcastles only attacking outlet.

At least with AWB you have best of class in something and can work on the others.

 

[Red in STL]

I can see a bunch of stats coming to this debate, this could turn in to a DDG style thread!

 

[FriedClams]

That's true. But he has weaknesses.

1. Less offensive output / efficiency.

2. He sometimes is careless / not paying attention, so he's out of position or not marking his man right, which can be fixed and I think that he's already improved on a lot since ETH's arrival.

3. I think we will have trouble controlling games if he's not as good at holding the ball, dribbling, passing, etc as the other players, which leads to more defending.

All true. I think if you look at what ETH has done with both him and Dalot, there has been clear improvement, but I think AWB ceiling can be much higher than Dalot's. Dalot has to improve all facets of his game, whereas it's really hard for AWB to become better defensively. It's not hyperbole, he is genuinely one of the hardest players for a winger to go past that has ever played the game. His issue is that he's a bit slow to react on give and go's.

 

[Lynty]

I like them both this season.

But i've always liked AWB, even last season. I've never understood the people who bash him for low attacking output...we haven't even got a good number 9 and our two first choice right wingers have 1 assist each. Lets sort out that before pointing fingers at defenders for not providing goalscoring chances.

He does his primary job. The rest will come with coaching and confidence - both of which were absent from the squad last season.

 

[Rightnr]

Why does ETH play him?

No, what's idiotic is the assumption that if EtH plays someone they have no weaknesses and using that as some foolish argument to say AwB is not weak in possession.

 

[Negative Red]

Wan-Bissaka is my preferred choice of right-back. I just feel more relaxed when he's playing over Dalot. I don't think he's as bad on the ball as you get told to believe. Aaron just has super-long-spider-legs that make him look awkward.

 

[Rightnr]

Wan-Bissaka is my preferred choice of right-back. I just feel more relaxed when he's playing over Dalot. I don't think he's as bad on the ball as you get told to believe. Aaron just has super-long-spider-legs that make him look awkward.

He's definitely not as bad as I initially thought but he's basically Smalling at right back.

His best performances are only ever likely to get us to a group stage in the CL, we need better in possession.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

AWB has the potential to be like Shaw. Super solid defensively and also contributing in attack. However, AWB attacking ability may never be as good as Shaw. Shaw is considered one of the best at his position.

Dalot almost cause/cause us a goal every game. I don't see his attacking is much better than AWB too.

Happy to have both. If really I have to choose 1 it will be AWB. He is world class in defensive ability.

 

[fezzerUTD]

I see you think you are some kind of bully, this is a football forum if you were not aware. I suggest you go try have personal attacks on people in person rather than sitting behind a desk and doing it thinking you are some big man saying go outside. What I do with my time should not concern you.

If you dont want people replying, dont post. simple.

Casemiro has scored from set plays, if you think Casemiro scoring from a few crosses = United spam crosses, shows your football IQ.

If anyone is the bully and name caller its you WUM, ABU. Take all this macho man attitude elsewhere im not interested. You came onto me for stating my opinion, just because it doesn’t align with yours. Don’t reply I won’t see it.

 

[afrocentricity]

No, what's idiotic is the assumption that if EtH plays someone they have no weaknesses and using that as some foolish argument to say AwB is not weak in possession.

Blah........... Blah...

ETH has played him in some huge games and you think he's pretty much useless as a footballer. I suspect you're talking shite again

 

[Fortitude]

Posts in here would make you think we're looking at August '22 versions of these players and not the iterations they've become.

Lazy tropes being rolled out with little objective analysis.

At least acknowledge the changes and improvements that are going on throughout the season.