Dalot vs Wan-Bissaka

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That should be debate over, at least against the top teams anyway.

Dalot shouldn't be criticised for struggling against Saint-Maximim as most RBs will do.

But Wan-Bissaka showed he can completely shutout a top winger which is vital against the top teams.
 
Long Time Red said:
That should be debate over, at least against the top teams anyway.

Dalot shouldn't be criticised for struggling against Saint-Maximim as most RBs will do.

But Wan-Bissaka showed he can completely shutout a top winger which is vital against the top teams.
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AWB is fantastic against individualistic dribblers. He's pretty much tailor built to stop players like ASM or Sterling. His weakness is more against teams who use fast movement and passing to create overloads and one-twos, which many other top teams tend to do.

In saying that, he was very good in general when he came on today so full credit to him. Not just at stopping ASM, but at pretty much everything he had to do.
 
Long Time Red said:
That should be debate over, at least against the top teams anyway.

Dalot shouldn't be criticised for struggling against Saint-Maximim as most RBs will do.

But Wan-Bissaka showed he can completely shutout a top winger which is vital against the top teams.
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AWB is leagues beyond Dalot insofar as AWB's pitfalls are a 'poor' attacking output and positional lack of awareness but Dalot has both of these too.

I actually think Dalot is massively overrated in an attacking sense and AWB is slightly underrated. Especially against big opposition where AWB has very good dribbling and retention skills.

Dalot can't defend well really - he's pretty good at the backpost though, which is a negative from AWB.

Only one of them has any world class aspects and that's AWB and his defending
 
Still Dalot.

AWB is the better fullback if you want to bring someone on at 2-0 up to shut down a dribbler on his side. But we don't start games in that position. And all else being equal I'd rather have the player with superior technique, especially against better sides.

That second half was made for AWB though and he was excellent.
 
sullydnl said:
Still Dalot.

AWB is the better fullback if you want to bring someone on at 2-0 up to shut down a dribbler on his side. But we don't start games in that position. And all else being equal I'd rather have the player with superior technique, especially against better sides.
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What does this 'technique' actually do though? We don't attack any better with him in the team, his ball retention isn't great and he usually fluffs a good chance every match by smashing it wildly over from 20 yards
 
Its not a binary choice. AWB is clearly the better defender, Dalot offers a bit more going forward. A good headache to have and more options for EtH to work with in different scenarios.
 
Coin toss for me. Dalot is too easy to turn one on one.
 
Think today proved there is a use for both of them depending on the game.
 
ItDoesntEvenMata said:
What does this 'technique' actually do though? We don't attack any better with him in the team, his ball retention isn't great and he usually fluffs a good chance every match by smashing it wildly over from 20 yards
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It allows us to play out from the back and progress up the pitch better with Dalot in the team. Which is massively important, not least as (lack of a striker aside) that's currently our biggest weakness as a team.

AWB was excellent today so I don't waste this happy post-trophy glow being critical of him. But in the big picture sense of the direction the team needs to improve in, he's never going to fit. And I say that not even being that keen on Dalot.

Today though we needed someone to shut down ASM in a game we were winning and he did it brilliantly, so it's all good.
 
Both have different qualities. Dalot is the better attacker and AWB the better defender.

ETH can pick one depending on the situation and opponent.

Due to both of their improvements this season I don't think a new right back is needed.
 
Raoul said:
Its not a binary choice. AWB is clearly the better defender, Dalot offers a bit more going forward. A good headache to have and more options for EtH to work with in different scenarios.
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i think AWB attacking game has come on this season, whereas I haven’t seen Dalots game improve defensively.

today was a really measure of this whole discussion, they both got a half and AWB looked better, in a half with far more defending to do.
 
Long Time Red said:
That should be debate over, at least against the top teams anyway.

Dalot shouldn't be criticised for struggling against Saint-Maximim as most RBs will do.

But Wan-Bissaka showed he can completely shutout a top winger which is vital against the top teams.
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Much harder to play at 0-0 against a fresh winger. We also saw near the end why AWB has been second choice, the ball had to go left.
 
Still Dalot, general play especially from the right was not as good in the second half. Maybe due to Anthony suddenly became a bit sloppy. But as most said, RB position is in good hands, we have two very good players there.
 
FriedClams said:
i think AWB attacking game has come on this season, whereas I haven’t seen Dalots game improve defensively.

today was a really measure of this whole discussion, they both got a half and AWB looked better, in a half with far more defending to do.
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Agreed. They've both improved under ETH, as have most of the rest of the squad. I feel completely comfortable with both.
 
sullydnl said:
Still Dalot.

AWB is the better fullback if you want to bring someone on at 2-0 up to shut down a dribbler on his side. But we don't start games in that position. And all else being equal I'd rather have the player with superior technique, especially against better sides.

That second half was made for AWB though and he was excellent.
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When we're playing against Forest or a team that sits deep it makes sense to play Dalot as he's probably better at passing and moving and also switching the play but against the top sides we're much better off having Wan-Bissaka who is elite 1 v 1 defender and can shut down their main attacking threat.

Ten Hag was wrong not to start Wan-Bissaka today and I hope he learns that lesson for the future.
 
Nothing to pick between them. I understand why Dalot started today, fresh legs and good going forward. The yellow card made it an obvious half time change. AWB was brilliant in the second half. Horses for courses. In ETH I trust.
 
AWB is ahead for me at the moment. Defensively he's brilliant and he's improving going forward. We definitely shouldn't be going after a RB in the summer.
 
Long Time Red said:
When we're playing against Forest or a team that sits deep it makes sense to play Dalot as he's probably better at passing and moving and also switching the play but against the top sides we're much better off having Wan-Bissaka who is elite 1 v 1 defender and can shut down their main attacking threat.

Ten Hag was wrong not to start Wan-Bissaka today and I hope he learns that lesson for the future.
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Wow, what an outrageous claim. ETH was wrong?
 
It's impressive how 2 players who looked absolutely done and are still somehow at the club have both resurrected their United careers to the point where they can be talked about as good squad players.
 
Bold by ten hag to bring him on at half time but it worked out brilliantly. I bet Howe had been saying to the newcastle players at half time to target dalot and try and get him sent off.
 
ManRant said:
Wow, what an outrageous claim. ETH was wrong?
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Yes, one of the very few things he has got wrong since he's been here.

Saint-Maximim v Dalot was always a mismatch and we were very lucky Newcastle didn't get the ball out to their left side quicker in the first half.
 
Dalot needs to hit top form otherwise they're interchangeable depending on what we need.

AwB leads in form atm
 
Raoul said:
Agreed. They've both improved under ETH, as have most of the rest of the squad. I feel completely comfortable with both.
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its certainly comforting to know that whatever money we have to spend in the summer doesn’t have to go on a right back. It might have been the no.1 pick for most people in august in terms of where we need to spend.
 
Simply impossible to say. Before the WC it was no competition. Today AWB looked miles better.... It's good two have two really solid options on the right.
 
At the moment, AWB has to be first choice RB. He’s hardly put a foot wrong in recent games, and he was a big factor in today’s victory, nullifying Saint-Maximin who was causing Dalot so much grief.

Dalot, on the other hand, has looked off the pace since coming back into the team.

I say keep AWB as starting RB until we gives us a reason not to be.

But he definitely still needs to work on his attacking play. I think a biggest part of that is confidence, rather than ability. He just seems to lose his nerve when he’s approaching the opposition box.
 
Eric_the_Red99 said:
At the moment, AWB has to be first choice RB. He’s hardly put a foot wrong in recent games, and he was a big factor in today’s victory, nullifying Saint-Maximin who was causing Dalot so much grief.

Dalot, on the other hand, has looked off the pace since coming back into the team.

I say keep AWB as starting RB until we gives us a reason not to be.

But he definitely still needs to work on his attacking play. I think a biggest part of that is confidence, rather than ability. He just seems to lose his nerve when he’s approaching the opposition box.
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if he could get comfortable using his left foot, he’d do much better in attack. The positions he finds himself in, he should be cutting inside and putting a pass in behind the defenders using his left foot way more often
 
They've both reached a point where it's "depends on the opponent" IMO. Both very good. Very happy to have both as part of the squad. Dalot not showing the form he showed in the first half of the season but he still did well today, but Wan Bissaka is playing brilliantly so all good
 
Both are good but it wouldn't be the worst idea to sell one of them and bring a right-back with more potential.
 
I think the competition between the two is working….AWB was absolutely brilliant today but I also feel he needs the competition.

I think when we expect to have lots of the ball, give Dalot the option but when we have to defend AWB is just superior. It’s great to have both options and it’s not either or..
 
Realistically, it’s still an area that can be improved on. If one had to go to make room for someone better I’d probably lean towards keeping awb but he’s not without flaws, although he was very good today.
 
AWB is the man for the specialist job. The likes of Martinelli, ASM, Grealish, Son etc.. this is the guy you want in the trenches with you.

Against teams where we tend to keep the ball and it's a bit more of a tactical game, I think Dalot is the better option. Also, Dalot hasn't fully regained form after his injury in the WC. He was excellent in the lead up to the WC and would have kept AWB out in this form he's currently in also.

I don't think he did that badly against ASM.. thought the yellow was harsh, he did get skinned that one time where DDG saved well, but it's hard to compare to AWB because he's just a freak in those 1v1 situations.

It was noticeable that when Newcastle went with 2 up top, it allowed Casemiro to drop deeper and help the full backs much more when we were defending. Dalot I thought had slightly less protection in that first half.

All in all, I think it's great to have both options. Dalot will probably start midweek, and you'd fancy a fresh AWB to do a job on Nunez next Sunday. Great options to have.
 
Wan Bissaka has the bigger potential due to his extreme expertise in a couple areas (speed, tackles, defending). Question mark if he can develop his other abilities. Dalot is an all-rounder that doesn't excel in anything particular. Wouldn't surprise me if it's Dalot we upgrade on.
 
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