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Daley Blind - Deal Confirmed
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He's not responsible for going quite as far forward as a lot of full backs are nowadays. If you look at the likes of Evra, Marcelo, Coentrao etc, they're hitting the byline with regularity. Blind looked like he'd been told to make defending his priority. Some of these left backs have been putting in world class performances at the highest level for years.
We're talking about one game here. What you're saying is just ridiculous.
1 world cup match
2 assists
There's nothing wrong with what I am saying. Clearly, I am not saying every performance he produces will be quite as good as today, but the qualities I've mentioned here about him are plain for everyone to see. What you're trying to do is play his ability down for no apparent reason. Not sure why you can't see he isn't really a left back but OK. Certainly, he has an ability which makes him much more than just a left back.. But insist on making him fulfil a criteria he can't possibly. I know Van Gaal won't see it as simplistically as you do.
Can't resist mentioning how Moyesesque that comment about hitting the byline was. Especially when you've just seen a relative masterclass from the young Dutchman tonight. Pointing out how frequently he gets to the byline or not probably isn't the best observation.
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The quality you mentioned in your last post was him playing as a wingback with responsibility. which I'm presuming is being good defensively? You then said he is the best player at the world cup in this role. That's where I think it's ridiculous. There's players at the world cup that have been doing this at the top level for years.
Except he was instrumental in so many of Holland's chances. Not just the goals. He demonstrated plenty of ability to get forward.
Yes, in one game. That makes him the best in his role? Even though there's other players that have been doing this week in, week out for years. Players playing for the best clubs on the planet.
I'd bet you aswell that, if van Gaal had an option, he'd rather have another left back in his team that is currently at the world cup.
He's been doing it in the friendlies prior to the world cup, too. I just don't understand this obsession with big name stars. It's as though you just don't get what makes Blind good, pocco. He has qualities you just don't seem to recognise, and I am not saying that to be harsh, but your view of what a player should be is antiquated.
I wonder if he can handle the physical/high tempo side off premiere league.? With shaw we have seen hime play in our league. More kinda, tried and tested.
And he is 5 years younger.
Oh really? So Herman Van Rompuy can recognise it, but no other top team, their, scouts, coaches or managers can recognise it? That's why they end up with dross like Coentrao, Evra, Marcelo, Alba etc. Antiquated players.
The thing is, you're saying I can't recognise his qualities without actually saying what they are. The closest you've come to that is saying he's playing as a wingback with responsibilities. Why don't you tell me what the qualities are that he possesses which set him apart from the other fullbacks?
And you do realise that these players are 'big name stars' because they're good and playing at some of Europes best teams?
pocco, how many times have you actually watched Blind play?
Why not get both ?
Shaw as 1st choice.
Jettison Buttner.
Blind can play backup CM, LW, LB this season and will be good insurance once Evra inevitably leaves as #2 LB behind Shaw and a situational plug-in CM.
By all accounts we'll be hard-pressed to find such a tidy utility player on the cheap.
Shaw as 1st choice.
Jettison Buttner.
Blind can play backup CM, LW, LB this season and will be good insurance once Evra inevitably leaves as #2 LB behind Shaw and a situational plug-in CM.
By all accounts we'll be hard-pressed to find such a tidy utility player on the cheap.
How am i supposed to take this response seriously?I didn't say those players are antiquated and I don't think we'd be signing Blind as a left back, although we could. I've said before I'd see us signing him as the holding midfielder in a 3 or 5 depending on what system Van Gaal implements at United. His versatility is massively useful in a Van Gaal team because he doesn't strictly stay out wide. He can fill in across the back four. He is composed on the ball. He is fantastic off the ball. Excellent defensively. Has a terrific left foot. As well as being tactically intelligent and aware of where he needs to be at all times, he's hungry and tenacious. Those are a number of his qualities. But what's more, is you can see that he's a leader. He orchestrates things at the back. All things you've overlooked pocco, because he doesn't get to the byline enough in your opinion.
Not many, I've made that known. That's way beside the point though, because you can't make a case that Blind is the best left back at the World Cup, not after one good game in that position. He thrived as a midfielder last season by all accounts, following a period where he looked like being a failed Left Back.
How can you say that he's probably the best Left Back at the World Cup?
We do not really need more utility players right now.
Hyping and signing players based on international tournaments is almost always a bad idea.
You can make a very good case for him being the best left wingback at the world cup, since he's the ONLY fecking left wingback at the world cup
Maybe if we upgrade few off our "utility players".? I agree with @Invictus.
I never said he was. You're talking about him like you watch him every week though.
What people are saying is that he is very good in a certain system asked to play a certain way. Different players have different skill sets which work better in different ways. Comparing a LB playing in a 442 and a LB playing with 3/5 at the back formation is difficult as they have different jobs and work in different ways.
You can make a very good case for him being the best left wingback at the world cup, since he's the ONLY fecking left wingback at the world cup
Yep just like Asamoah was the best LWB in the CL this season.
I didn't say those players are antiquated and I don't think we'd be signing Blind as a left back, although we could. I've said before I'd see us signing him as the holding midfielder in a 3 or 5 depending on what system Van Gaal implements at United. His versatility is massively useful in a Van Gaal team because he doesn't strictly stay out wide. He can fill in across the back four. He is composed on the ball. He is fantastic off the ball. Excellent defensively. Has a terrific left foot. As well as being tactically intelligent and aware of where he needs to be at all times, he's hungry and tenacious. Those are a number of his qualities. But what's more, is you can see that he's a leader. He orchestrates things at the back. All things you've overlooked pocco, because he doesn't get to the byline enough in your opinion.
So you're now moving the goal posts? Just a minute ago he was the best player at the world cup in the wing back role. The point about other players hitting the byline was made to point out that Blind isn't being asked to play as big an attacking outlet as the rest. Defending is clearly his priority, or it was tonight. And by hitting the byline I don't mean just whipping crosses in all night. You know that the players I listed don't play like that. I think that most of these fullback could easily perform as Blind did tonight. They're often caught out defensively because they have to get further forward than Blind. You ask Blind to do that tonight and I bet he wouldn't have looked as solid defensively. It's a sacrifice a lot of teams make.
I didn't say he's the best left back at the world cup. You've missed the point. In making the point I did about his unique position in Van Gaal's system, I just wanted to move the discussion away from these ridiculous comparisons, which are yours and yours alone. I am basing my opinion on the qualities I see in the player, and the way Van Gaal likes to set his teams up. That's it.
IMO we really don't have any utility players adept at filling CM, CDM and defence roles apart from maybe Jones. But if we're to extract the best out of him we really must upgrade him to full time CB. Other than him I struggle to find anyone within the squad who can play multiple primarily defensive positions with proficiency across the midfield or in defence. That's where a utility specialist like Blind would come in handy I reckon like Dortmund have in Kevin Großkreutz. Not really good enough to warrant a regular starting job but can be a good patchup incase our starting XI players get injured. That said I might be wrong and Van Gaal might spot someone from the reserve team to function in a similar vein.
IMO we really don't have any utility players adept at filling CM, CDM and defence roles apart from maybe Jones. But if we're to extract the best out of him we really must upgrade him to full time CB. Other than him I struggle to find anyone within the squad who can play multiple primarily defensive positions with proficiency. That's where a utility specialist like Blind would come in handy I reckon. Not really good enough to warrant a regular starting role but can be a good patchup incase our starting XI players get injured. That said I might be wrong and Van Gaal might spot someone from the reserve team to function in a similar vein.
I think he'd be one of the first names on the team sheet in a holding role. He'd fix a lot of our problems in that department and would certainly be a step on Carrick, who's not the player he was. If you think of it as putting the pieces in their place, Blind would be a fantastic deputy in front of the back four. Strootman would be our box-to-box midfielder and that leaves a third spot for another energetic, technically gifted player.
What an accolade, then. He's the best left wingback currently playing in a 5 man defence for Holland. What's the point claiming this if I can't say that there are other left backs that are better than him and would probably be even better in this role?
Are we now saying that Blind is the best wingback in world football when played in a 5 man defence? Is it not reasonable to expect that better players would probably be better in this role if they were asked to play this role?
I stand by my comment that I don't think the players you mentioned would be as good in Blind's position in the current Dutch side. That is quite generous praise, yes.
I think you should consider for a moment that Thierry Henry, someone with a good brain when it comes to football, marked Blind out as his man of the match. This is in a game where Robben and RVP were on the very top of their game. That alone should make you pause for thought and seriously consider that you might be glossing over Blind.
Umm I can see where you're coming from. And I do admire the player that Blind is - especially his intelligence. But I still think we can do better in terms of filling out first XI spots. We have a good 3 months still to get top drawer players. But if we fail to land our primary targets I have to concur with you in the sense that he is better than what we currently have in the CDM position. That said (and this is pure fantasy) if we sign someone like Martinez or Koke who are more cultured midfielders in my reckoning I honestly don't think Blind is good enough to start over them. Hence the "versatile utility tag" which would be perfect for him because we just don't have a player like that in our squad.
Based on what? The qualities that you listed earlier, when asked what sets him apart, are all qualities I'd associate with the players that I've listed. Ok, some may not be bettter if they had to play as a defensive midfielder, but we're talking about what Blind did tonight. I see no reason why these other players couldn't play that role.
To be honest, this isn't a debate that Blind will settle anytime soon. Let's see in two or three years time where he has got to.
Be too late by then and he may not flourish under another manager as he will under Van Gaal.
He obviously has qualities which could fit teams in different ways. How is that so hard to understand? For example, Baines would be more useful to a team using a front man with good aerial ability or quick movement. Alba and Alves will be more useful to a team who push high up. You could refine it even more and discuss whether a player is stronger when linking play or alongside a certain type of player. I doubt managers of top clubs look at a player and sign him because he is in form. If he fits a certain system (ie Lambert to Liverpool) then it makes sense. You do not need 11 world class players to have a world class team. Atletico have the best defensive unit in world football. You could say none of their defenders are world class.
If van Gaal thinks Blind will be crucial to Manchester United playing in a certain type of system then he will go after him. Same goes for any player.
Poborsky and Cruyff dont agree
But seriously he did looks shit hot. I say go for it
After one match and suddenly Daley Blind is a must-sign now.Redcafe never cease to amaze me.
They agree with my point.
Those (who have watched him) rated him highly before tonight. I would also rather see him signed as a dm. But he has a lot of quality. Tonight showed SOME of the things he brings to the table. I don't know why Pocco has such an agenda against him. Quality players don't get signed all the time. Judging how good a player is by what club he plays for is a little basic. There are tons of quality players who go unnoticed at lower clubs.
No one has said he played a blinder in the second half? For shame.
He plays at Ajax. The biggest club in Holland. Plus he has a famous name. A lot of his teammates some younger than him already got moves to richer clubs. Yes you should not judge a player by what club he plays for but, lets not act like he has been playing in obscurity.
I'm not saying he's a bad player but the reaction is a bit too much fickle.I remember just before the WC many said the only young player from Dutch league they want to sign is Memphis Depay.
Brilliant today but let's not make hasty conclusions. Still a lot to prove this tournament.
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