You could sign a WC player and it fail spectacularly, there are no guarantees with any signing. He seems (from what I've seen) a lot better than cleverley and Fellaini. Plus with our ever increasing injury list can fill in a number of positions. He works hard and puts a shift in which is something the fans will appreciate. Again it's the start of a overhaul of the squad as a new manager you need players that you can trust and some of our other players who have been told they can leave have had a fair chance in my opinion. Now LVG wants to bring in someone he can trust and knows can do the job.
Daley Blind - Deal Confirmed
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Agreed!
14m is ok for him. But anyone overrating him now, there is certainly a reason, we tried for Vidal for months and then end up with Blind ...
Short gap for Strootman and I'm ok with it.
Short gap for Strootman and I'm ok with it.
A Dutch Phil Neville?
I suppose the concern is how far down the list was he? Surely he would have been in far earlier if he was a priority.
I think he will be the last in.
I think he will be the last in.
Nobody is overrating him here. Nobody has any idea what to expect for him except for the sudden Dutch league experts claiming him to be a bad signing who also suddenly became Portuguese League experts when we signed Rojo.
Di Maria, Herrera, Shaw, Rojo and now Blind
Now sign Vidal or Carvalho on Monday then it's our best transfer window ever
Now sign Vidal or Carvalho on Monday then it's our best transfer window ever
Better looking and less cringeworthy when he speaks! (Sorry Phil)
People should just accept that not everyone is rating blind. The dutch player of the year award isnt really a sign of quality. In the best case scenario, Blind becomes a good squad player. Eventually he becomes another Buttner, Felaini, Cleverley, Anderson, young, valencia kind of guy. Someone who will never be able to fully convince anyone and hangs around for way too long.
The problem of the squad isnt depth. Its quality. We are out of the CL and not playing the league cup. We dont need a bigger squad.
The problem of the squad isnt depth. Its quality. We are out of the CL and not playing the league cup. We dont need a bigger squad.
Fellaini is a long ball merchant who looks akward at a top club. The worst thing blind can become is Oshea mark2
We've lost Rio, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, Nani, Zaha and with several more to move on before monday's deadline. We're not going to have a bigger squad.
Fellaini just needs to be coached. In theory he could be a fantastic shield for the defence. In practice he lets players wander past him.
He could be much worse than that. Also, Fellaini does not really play a lot of long ball so I have no idea what you are saying there.
Justification for that assertion?
I am very happy with blind. However i think youre unfair with fans. For years weve seen a decline in terms of quality as even targets from some mid table spanish liga club were described as impossible 4 us to get. Now shit had hit fan and the club has shown eagerness to spend big. You cant blame the fans for reacting that way
Rome wasn't built in a day, let's just see how things plan out in the next 12 months!
It has been brought up a ton of times. There is plenty of average players who have won that award.
Fellaini best role is as a no 10 with a team playing a physical/long ball football. Thats the best way to exploit his physical frame, his aerial dominance, his aggressiveness and his superb chest contol of the ball
And i cant imagine blind to be a worse player then oshea
In 3-5-2 Blind allows us to move on Ashley Young and Cleverley both probably, recoup a good fee and lesser wages considerably.
Anyway, the players you mentioned are mediocre specialists. There's a chance Blind becomes similar but he still has good technical attributes and covers 3 different positions if required. And there's also a chance like Carrick who when signed wasn't the highest profile, he grows into the DM role and atleast becomes a able debuty to eventual Carrick successor. (Strootman possibly.)
He doesn't solve our midfield problems from what i've seen and has limited ceiling but is a decent signing and knows LVG's system and philosophy. Plus his confidence isn't already shattered mentally like our squad players and it shakes up the squad.
Amongst the last five winners have been Suarez, Vertonghen, Bony. It's not a sure shot measure of quality but it's also ridiculously ignorant to say that plenty of average players have won it.
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Delay Blind is a good player but not really the big improvement we would need. The price is also absurd if the quoted 25M € are true so it's not surprising for me that this deal hasn't happened so far.
He's a good buy IMO. Every great team needs a utility man or two. Currently we have 0 utility men.
Seems the deal has happened at 18 million euros.
I am being a bit hyperbolic but, the other two winners over the period you mentioned are Theo Janssen and Mounir El Hamdaoui. Plus his competition for the award were the likes of Graiano Pelle, Dusan Tadic and Alfred Finnbogason
Generally strikers who scored 40 goals though who were obviously never going to be as good in a strong league.
Far less likely a midfielder and a DM at that will have so much of a performance drop. Regardless there are examples of players coming from the dutch league and showing they are quality players. Depay could be the next one, looking at his early season performances. Not to say Blind will play upfront and start biting people before moving for 70 million to Barcelona but you can't really discredit a player like this before he's even kicked a ball (or signed) for us.
Is it official? 18M still sounds a bit much but those seem to be the prices these days especially if a big club is involved. Oh and I also balme Woody for announcing that we have 250M € to spend which of course made every club we asked for a player go up a notch or two in terms asking prices.
I trust LVG's judgement.
Agreed. Theo Janssen was a beast too, roughly as talented as Sneijder and Van der Vaart. He just didn't have the mentality, otherwise he could've played at every club in the world, seriously. His shooting technique almost matched David Beckhams, great vision too. So the last 4 winners before Blind weren't avarage players at all.
Apologies if this has been posted already. It's a compilation of his performance against PSV last season and it gives you an idea of how he solves the #6 role. He definitely seems to have the technical and tactical ability for it.
I actually think we have too many. Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Welbeck, Cleverley, Kagawa, Fellaini and Young are all pretty versatile and have played more than one position for the team. In fact, keepers aside, it's only really Shaw, Hernandez, Carrick and Fletcher that are nailed down to one position. There's plenty of versatility in the side.
And yet the dutch national team ended 3rd in the WC which is much better to what the italian/english/spanish side could get.
I wouldnt underrate them that much
He's not ideal, he's certainly no Vidal or Carvalho, but can you lads honestly look me in the eye and tell me he isn't a major improvement to Cleverley and Fletcher?
I mean I would be a major improvement to Cleverley and Fletcher.
I mean I would be a major improvement to Cleverley and Fletcher.
Not official so far but Telegraaf which is fairly reliable broke it in a big way in Holland today with details. Daley Blind also favorited a tweet about joining United which seems good evidence these days and English journos reporting advanced negotiations.
What I've seen from him in the few games I watched him play outside the WC, he was quite poor. But for that price he certainly is a good squad addition. Just that I really hoped that we'd stop buying squad players and focus more on potential/proven-very good/world class players. Still would've prefered De Jong though.
There is no doubt that great talent come from that league. I really think Memphis Depay is going to be a star eventually. But, it is a league where top talents leave as soon as possible.
I don't think I was very harsh with the fans really.
We all know how tough last season was and that mistakes were made along the way which led us to fail so spectacularly, not least the lack of investment in the squad.
The point is that we have already signed a lot of quality players such as Di Maria, Shaw and Herrera, then why would you not be happy with a Blind? I'd be more understanding of any disappointment if it was our first signing of the summer.
He might not turn out to be a superstar or the answer to all our prayers but looks to be a useful addition to the team. Especially since LVG will know him so well and I'd trust his judgement.
It will take us a while to get to our absolute best. We can't expect to go from last season's United to become among the world's best teams in a summer. Good thing is that it looks to me like we are taking all the right steps.
its not ignorant at all. There are great dutch footballer and some of them won this trophy. But some players, who won it, wouldnt even be able to start for any EPL team at all. So in which world is this a sign of quality? I dont say that you are automatically shit, but that its irrelevant.
Again, I dont think we should buy any player who is only eventually slightly better than the likes of young. Yes he is versatile, but eventually not good enough to play any of those positions on a high level. I think he´ll fail dramatically as wing back because he wont be able to cope with the speed of the EPL. He´ll do okay in midfield, because he is a decent player in this area, but in this area we already have enough "decent players".
If van gaal thinks that he needs more quality on this postion, he should sign someone who has the ambition to be a starter for the next 4-5 years and if he just needs cover, he should use some of the deadwood. Blind is the deadwood of tomorrow.
Good news as it's another fresh face and one who's been effective in Van Gaals system. Could help to show our current players just exactly how to play it, all well and good being shown in training but surely it will help having a teammate alongside who is already well versed.
It was like we had already signed this lad about 6 weeks ago, the biggest surprise would be us not signing him.
It was like we had already signed this lad about 6 weeks ago, the biggest surprise would be us not signing him.
Ding Ding Ding.
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