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It is funny how they want a 'moral high ground' in terms of the way they kill animals. Yeah, lets kill this animal and eat it, but do it in a less hurtful way. They get so enraged by that its unbelievable. This is their excuse when they say why they don't want Halal meat, and also the fact they are scared muslims will take over the country. Ignorance is the cause of this.

There was less panic about horse meat being in their foods ffs. I am not saying that Halal meat should be in every place, but counter argument to not having halal meat is stupid. They call they way Muslims slaughter animals as 'barbaric', you do know you are still killing the animal and your eating it if you do it any other way?

People forget that the animals do not suddenly out of nowhere and get slaughtered in the UK slaughter houses, they get electrically 'stunned' before they get slaughtered!!
 
Snowjoe said:
I didn't eat meat for about 6 months after watching that, it was awful. I'm convinced that if you want to eat meat you should have to kill at least one animal so you know what's actually going on, people are far too detatched from reality.
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You just run them over in your van and murder them!
 


mass farming chickens with tubes down their throats is ok as long as their neck is broken... get a grip mate. As far as slaughter goes, Halal is hardly Cruel compared to the life time of cruelty most animals go through these days just for us to eat.

Case closed.
 
To be fair, I've got no problem at all with how they kill it. It should be labelled though since some people genuinely do care and some how believe free range stun guns are better. Outrage at muslims taking over is one thing, but genuine belief that people should have information available to them is another.
 
Ryan's Beard said:
To be fair, I've got no problem at all with how they kill it. It should be labelled though since some people genuinely do care and some how believe free range stun guns are better. Outrage at muslims taking over is one thing, but genuine belief that people should have information available to them is another.
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My understanding is that a lot of halal slaughterhouses use stun guns as well. If that is the case then the major difference between halal and non-kosher meat is the prayer which is four sentences not having an impact on the meat.

I think free range meat should be labelled and highlighted for sure as that is definitely worth buying if eating meat and animal welfare is your big priority. But the rhetoric and reaction to all of this is a bit unbelievable really.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
My understanding is that a lot of halal slaughterhouses use stun guns as well. If that is the case then the major difference between halal and non-kosher meat is the prayer which is four sentences not having an impact on the meat.

I think free range meat should be labelled and highlighted for sure as that is definitely worth buying if eating meat and animal welfare is your big priority. But the rhetoric and reaction to all of this is a bit unbelievable really.
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Like I said, I don't really care how it's killed. I think it should be labelled though in general. If it is the case that they're stunned first it's tricky to get morally outraged. People will try though. That's not "proper" Halal though is it if it's stunned first? I know a few who wouldn't want to eat pre stunned meat because it's not actually Halal. Which'll piss stricter Muslims off if they find out they're being fed fake halal stuff. So again it's a labelling issue.
 
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Ryan's Beard said:
Like I said, I don't really care how it's killed. I think it should be labelled though in general. If it is the case that they're stunned first it's tricky to get morally outraged. People will try though. That's not "proper" Halal though is it if it's stunned first? I know a few who wouldn't want to eat pre stunned meat because it's not actually Halal. Which'll piss stricter Muslims off if they find out they're being fed fake halal stuff. So again it's a labelling issue.
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Oh don't get me wrong, majority of my post wasn't aimed at you. More at the reaction by The Daily Mail and the Sun to have designated so so much moral outrage over this.

Not too sure if stunning has an impact on halal or not. I'm sure Muslims themselves disagree on it, but my understanding is if the animal is stunned but not actually killed from stunning then it's fine.
 
I don't get the Halal meat uproar.

1. If meats are not labelled as 'Halal', Muslims will not purchase them. Therefore, the idea that Britain is conforming to Shariah law is made redundant. The reason supermarkets are using halal meat is because it is cheaper.
2. No one cared how meats were killed before any of this
3. I'm pretty sure Halal meat is 'instant killed'. This is similar to when Britain had capital punishment and hangings were done in a way where the person was killed instantly and went through no pain. Is electrocuting an Animal a better way of slaughter?
4. It tastes the same, and is the same meat.
5. Subway taking pork off the menu can be explained by a variety of reasons. If the owners are Muslim, selling haraam (forbidden) goods is against their religion (same goes for things such as alcohol). Also, if subways are in a heavy populated Muslim area, having pork on the menu does not make financial sense. Or maybe pork at subways isn't selling well period?
6. Should all meats now be labeled telling us the way they were killed? 'This animal was electrocuted'. 'This animal had its neck slit'. No one would give a shit. They'd go for the cheaper one, which is likely to be the halal one by the looks of it.

Supermarkets and restaurants are businesses. It makes financial sense to buy and sell halal meat so they do so. If it is labelled then Muslims will buy it as well. If it isn't then they are losing out on sales.
The Daily Mail is a business. It has done its job and is getting hits.
 
The Mail are famous for flip flopping opinions (hate all Muslims, love reasonable Mulsims, etc, etc) to feed controversy and keep the $ rolling in. Of course finding a Muslim bloke who also gives them a quote like Mockney posted is a huge bonus for them.
 
Loved those Japan training exercises with the 'rhino':lol:
 
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Why didn't they put "not to an actual bank where you keep your money" next to bank too.
 
There's an old Dudley Moore film called Crazy People. He plays a burnt out advertising exec that ends up writing "honest" adverts with a bunch of people in an asylum. I think if they advertised the Daily Mail, it'd be "written by cnuts, to be read by cnuts"
 
Bill.s.preston said:
There's an old Dudley Moore film called Crazy People. He plays a burnt out advertising exec that ends up writing "honest" adverts with a bunch of people in an asylum. I think if they advertised the Daily Mail, it'd be "written by cnuts, to be read by cnuts"
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"Hello, hello, hello! What a wonderful word is hello"
 
That Berry tries to pack as much sugar as possible in to everything she makes. My Mrs used to do her hair and one day Berry gave my Mrs one of her salad dressings. When we tried it was so sweet and disgusting we ended up throwing it away.

Simple Vinaigrette recipe: Salt, ground pepper, Dijon mustard (experiment to your preferred taste) equal quantities of red wine vinegar and olive oil. Shake it up, use an old mustard jar or similar to make it up in, put the top on firmly & give it a good shake. NO feckING SUGAR you old bat!
 
Colin129 said:
That Berry tries to pack as much sugar as possible in to everything she makes. My Mrs used to do her hair and one day Berry gave my Mrs one of her salad dressings. When we tried it was so sweet and disgusting we ended up throwing it away.

Simple Vinaigrette recipe: Salt, ground pepper, Dijon mustard (experiment to your preferred taste) equal quantities of red wine vinegar and olive oil. Shake it up, use an old mustard jar or similar to make it up in, put the top on firmly & give it a good shake. NO feckING SUGAR you old bat!
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They are liberal with the butter too. Not sure about the red wine vinegar in your recipe, aren't you doubling up on the vinegar with the mustard?
 
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