Daily Mail

Just rereading this. Nice punchy intro- I have to admire that.

Sentencing a criminal to 1,000 years in an artificial hell may one day become a reality.
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The Cookie Monster: Undercover Nazi ~

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eet-characters-face-try-recruit-children.html
 
Racist swans.

EDIT: brb can't get paste to work on this shit phone.
 
The Daily Mail: Bringing you the news that doesn't matter since whenever, like.
 
I've had to block it, on Facebook, after a friend of mine started posting several links to it a day (said friend isn't right wing, just finds the place amusing).

I'm now relying on the caf to keep me up to date with the worst it has to offer.
 
Lord DOTA said:
I'm now relying on the caf to keep me up to date with the worst it has to offer.
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How about yesterday's "story" about former talent show contestant Diane Vickers, who apparently displayed "on-trend underboob" whilst on holiday? I kid you not, chiefo.
*cries like Niagara*
 
I'm reading the article about Cina's mod job, which should've gone to someone English.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...res-strong-demand-Muslims-eat-Halal-meat.html

No mention of whether these 200 chains are in heavily muslim populated areas, more sensationalist inflammatory journalism?
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Even if the stores are in areas heavily populated by people who subscribe to Islamic dietary laws, it's still a big step to remove all pork products from 200 stores. Of course it's going to be a big news story. It's a case of nonsense religious practices encroaching further into British society, directly affecting people who do not wish to subscribe to them. It's not just that the Subway stores in question are sourcing all of their products that Muslims and non-Muslim customers can eat from 'halal' manufacturers, they are removing all pork products meaning that the choice of non-Muslim customers is suddenly limited.
 
Count Orduck said:
Subway is also a franchise, so the individual owners can do whatever the feck they like.
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Nobody's suggesting that the Subway stores are breaking any laws.

They can kowtow to divenly ordered 7th Century Arab dietary restrictions if they like, but secular society (including our media) would be wrong not to respond.
 
rednev said:
Even if the stores are in areas heavily populated by people who subscribe to Islamic dietary laws, it's still a big step to remove all pork products from 200 stores. Of course it's going to be a big news story. It's a case of nonsense religious practices encroaching further into British society, directly affecting people who do not wish to subscribe to them. It's not just that the Subway stores in question are sourcing all of their products that Muslims and non-Muslim customers can eat from 'halal' manufacturers, they are removing all pork products meaning that the choice of non-Muslim customers is suddenly limited.
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I think it's another case of someone trying to please everybody when it's obvious you can't. It seems like they are trying to do this by serving halal meat, still edible to those who aren't muslim. We don't really know what prompted this either. The article states "strong demand" from muslims provoked this, but doesn't go into any detail. For all we know Subway did it off its own back to please muslims, make headlines, who knows?

I agree that it's an example of religious practices encroaching onto British society, but it's quite a delicate climate right now. Muslims feel very strongly about this sort of thing, and although a traditionally Christian country, we just don't really (Huge generalisation there). Maybe it's easier for them to just compromise on something like this.
 
rednev said:
Nobody's suggesting that the Subway stores are breaking any laws.

They can kowtow to divenly ordered 7th Century Arab dietary restrictions if they like, but secular society (including our media) would be wrong not to respond.
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Respond to what? A muslim owner of a Subway store decides to make his particular store Halal friendly and you want to "respond"? How? Are you going to throw pig's blood at the customers? If it bothers you that much then don't eat there, but you have no right to tell them how to run their business.
 
Our Subway has been Halal for years. Says so on the door. I don't eat there because the lady serving has really long hair that isn't tied up and up folicophobic when it comes to food.
 
My understanding is a franchise buys the products it sells from it's parent company, so it couldn't sell halal meat unless that's what the parent company offers, let me know if I misunderstand. On that basis the parent company may offer both halal and non halal produce. On response to CD above, a franchise can tell a franchise how to run it's business by the terms they sign up to, rednev can't unless he's running said franchise.
 
I understand the objection of a eatery not having Halal meat but what's the objection to it having Halal meat. If you've no religious objection to how meat is killed why would you have a specific objection if it wasn't killed in the ordinary way?
 
Plugsy said:
I understand the objection of a eatery not having Halal meat but what's the objection to it having Halal meat. If you've no religious objection to how meat is killed why would you have a specific objection if it wasn't killed in the ordinary way?
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Exactly.
 
Plugsy said:
I understand the objection of a eatery not having Halal meat but what's the objection to it having Halal meat. If you've no religious objection to how meat is killed why would you have a specific objection if it wasn't killed in the ordinary way?
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It's an ethical, rather than religious objection (to not want Halal meat) for a lot of people. The idea of the animal not being stunned having it's throat cut does not sit well with some.

The way it has been explained to me (that the death is very fast) and what I've seen of non-Halal abbatoirs, I would think it's a better death for the animal in a Halal or Kosher abbatoir.
 
Plugsy said:
I understand the objection of a eatery not having Halal meat but what's the objection to it having Halal meat. If you've no religious objection to how meat is killed why would you have a specific objection if it wasn't killed in the ordinary way?
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Well for animal lovers they have the objection of it is less humane. I don't know the specifics so maybe I'm wrong.

Personally I wouldn't care but why can't they have Halal meat and pork?
 
limerickcitykid said:
Well for animal lovers they have the objection of it is less humane. I don't know the specifics so maybe I'm wrong.
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Apparently so, but something tells me the people who get frothy in the mouth about the existence of Halal meat aren't all free-range organic mung-bean munching animal rights activists, if you know what I mean.
 
Count Orduck said:
Respond to what? A muslim owner of a Subway store decides to make his particular store Halal friendly and you want to "respond"? How? Are you going to throw pig's blood at the customers? If it bothers you that much then don't eat there, but you have no right to tell them how to run their business.
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Obviously the response I'm referring to is the initiation of a discussion. I'm glad the Daily Mail made a big issue out of it.


2 Man Midfield said:
I think it's another case of someone trying to please everybody when it's obvious you can't. It seems like they are trying to do this by serving halal meat, still edible to those who aren't muslim. We don't really know what prompted this either. The article states "strong demand" from muslims provoked this, but doesn't go into any detail. For all we know Subway did it off its own back to please muslims, make headlines, who knows?

I agree that it's an example of religious practices encroaching onto British society, but it's quite a delicate climate right now. Muslims feel very strongly about this sort of thing, and although a traditionally Christian country, we just don't really (Huge generalisation there). Maybe it's easier for them to just compromise on something like this.
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The big story here isn't that their chicken/beef/turkey is halal only, it's that they are removing all pork products from the stores. There is no religious requirement for Muslims to refrain from eating in places where pork is served, the only requirement is that they themselves do not eat (or handle, in some interpretations) pork, so if there is a demand for the stores to remove pork products, it is essentially a demand by a particular religious group that those who do not wish to subscribe to the specific rules of that religious group must do so regardless.

It might seem like a trivial issue but clearly there is a wider discussion to be had regarding the future of British society. The justification (that these stores are in 'Muslim majority' areas) being used to defend the Subway stores is a concerning one. Especially as it's being used by some on so called liberal left. Majority rules is a dangerous principle in a liberal democracy, and one that the left in particular is supposed to be cautious of. Are people prepared to accept supermarkets banning the sale of alcohol in 'Muslim majority' areas because there might be a local demand for it? What about religious dress codes in restaurants and shops in areas where there is a demand from a majority (or vocal minority) of a particular religion? After all, by the principles of those who are defending Subway, if it's legal and there is the local demand, private business owners can do what they like.

In a secular country, people shouldn't impose their own religious views on other people. Even where private businesses are concerned. The secular principle is designed to protect the religious just as much as the non-religious, especially those from minority religious groups like Islam. Christians shouldn't be able to impose their religious values on Muslims, just because they are the dominant group. We're lucky in Britain that overall we have a very mild and non-aggressive form of Christianity (Anglicanism) as the dominant religious group, but demographics are different at local levels. We are a very segregated country and it will become increasingly important that we embrace secular values.
 
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