Nothing compared to the state of those still backing and defending Mourinho in 2018 such as Jose arse dwellars like yourself...
D. McDonnell - the Mirror: Jose will be sacked this weekend | BBC: Jose still has board backing
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Nothing compared to the state of those still backing and defending Mourinho in 2018 such as Jose arse dwellars like yourself...
It was briefed to the BBC that he had the money but only for the players he liked. Like Varane. So go figure?
Backing Jose as a manager or not backing him isn't the conversation anymore. It's about understanding those with no football expertise have no business vetoing transfers over daft reasons. His targets were much better than what we have.
Nice to see you always result to a civil war to try and get by.
That it was a quality reason meaning a football reason?
His targets were much better than what we have were they? Strange then that after already buying so many players we're no better than we were when he took over. But hey keep telling yourself another 1 or 2 transfers would have made all the difference, and what a state the rest of us are for thinking its a good thing he wasn't allowed to squander more money
I don't think very much, or any of it, is in defence of Mourinho.
Some people, including Gary Neville, are apparently concerned that the problems at the club extend beyond that of a miserable manager on his way out. Those problems are likely to persist after Mourinho's time comes to an end, and will likely continue to sabotage any chance of success for the club going forward.
It's not a case of either/or. It's entirely possible to simultaneously hold the view that Mourinho is rubbish and the club is badly run.
First we have scouts that write reports and which one the things you mentioned aren't football reasons?
It's crazy, I keep seeing people saying that anyone who thinks a change of manager will change anything at the club is deliuded, but those that think keeping him and giving him power over Woodward will change things for the better are even more deluded. Most logical fans just want a manager that plays good football, doesn't keep burying his own team in interviews and lifts the morale of the players in the hope we get top 4, if we keep Mourinho we'll be lucky to get top 6.
We are slowly becoming the Lidl version of Madrid.
He deemed them not good enough for the prices he was being quoted. That was his right to do and happens at other clubs.
Ed doesn't look at transfers for footballing ability alone. He looks at brand value, sell on value etc.
It's not an issue as such but his weighting so high on monetising his transfers that it causes a rift. And on top of it he will refuse to splash necessary marquee cash on vital cogs to the wheel if they aren't stars.
Capello confirmed who Jose wanted this summer. Both would have needed stupid bids, but Woody was only saving that for a varane sort of brand and ignored Jose's targets.
https://m.calciomercato.com/en/news...efenders-mourinho-wanted-to-sign-this-s-64741
It's not even about Jose anymore. Any manager will have this issue under Ed. You know a lot about Zidane and his tenure at Madrid. Was part of his exit down to him not getting his preferences on transfer activity over Perez? If so, do you think it bodes well for him if he joins us? Why would he even want to come if this is a warning light at the club? He can waltz into Juve instead knowing the set up is much better when Allegri goes.
Lidl is value for money though, you get what you pay for. We charge Waitrose prices for Lidl own brand food.
Had Mourinho signed Alderweirald or Boateng in the summer, he would probably have fallen out with them and benched them by now.
Why are people picking sides? Both Ed and Jose are dreadful.
The more I think about it the more worried I am that woody is going to cave from the self righteous United fans up in arms about this, and not get rid of Mourinho. He just seems to lack the conviction.
Really hope I’m wrong and he pulls the trigger today.
Really hope I’m wrong and he pulls the trigger today.
He has terrific managerial pedigree and took the team 2nd on 81 points. You can argue that no one individually looked better. I can argue the team as a whole was factually better.
It doesn't really matter though - the problem is a non footballing ceo is getting his nose into footballing matters such as transfer targets and it will be an issue for the next manager too.
I want Jose sacked but the club leaking this shit in advance just like with LvG is shocking, if true. Sums them up, really.
The club didn’t leak the LVG story.
“No football expertise” is a joke coming from forum posters that live vicariously through newspapers columns and pundit opinions. Woodward has been involved with this football club for over a decade. “b-b-but he’s a money man”, which doesn’t mean he doesn’t know football, it isn’t mutually exclusive, and again, I’d trust his expertise over a random forum poster that thinks Aldeireweld and/or Perisic would have drastically changed the way we play.
Great majority of players, including, maybe even especially, the ones he brought in, either stagnated or outright regressed under Mourinho. At some point you gotta stop throwing money down the drain.
Is there anyone actually arguing that we don’t need a DOF as well to take over the football side of things from Woody?
Regardless of that, we still need to get rid of Mourinho.
Just read yourself, you make things up and then act as if they were facts, United hasn't signed a single particularly marketable player outside of Pogba in the last 5 years. You use Capello has some sort of source without even considering the fact that Skriniar clearly stated that he was going nowhere and that maybe Koulibaly wasn't available, also Capello doesn't tell you anything about why it didn't happen.
Varane isn't a particularly marketable player and he is far better than all the players you mentioned up until this point.
Also United don't sell players for money.
This. Giving Ed Woodward as a reason not to sack Mourinho is bullshit.
Depay didn't look good under LVG and nor did Di Maria or Schneiderlin or Falcao. It's not a matter of managers. Woodward simply has no place to have a say on footballing matters. This is why we need a DoF.
He was with the club for 10 years. What was his role? He was vital in the profit making part of the club but not on any football matters.
It seems a number of posters are unable to grasp this fairly simple reality.
I agree both are to blame
Good. Let Carrick and McKenna take over till the board can get a DoF and subsequently a new manager in.
Fair enough on the Capello article - but the likes of Alderwierald were definately available and interested. I don't need to source an article to prove that do I?
No we don't sell for money. But we certainly buy with our brand in mind. Pogba, Di Maria and Falcao being good examples.
Re. Varane, perhaps he is. But you don't veto getable transfers for a player who isn't and might not ever be for us.
Moyes too. We're pretty shite at sacking managers.
That presumably means he ok'd the players we actually did sign then? Does he therefore carry some of the blame for the last 5 years of largely disastrous player recruitment at the club, in your view?
Mirror certainly used to have good sources at the club (I'm talking 10-20 years ago), no idea if they still do. But if Jose is sacked, I really hope we give a new appointment some thought and don't just dive in again - a la Moyes and LVG (and to an extent Jose). We so so need to get it right this time (if this is the time)
So let me get this straight, signing good players is for brand and not for football? Di Maria was hailed has the best performer in CL that year, Pogba was labelled the best all around midfielder in the world and Falcao was a gamble on loan. I have been vocal about pushing Woodward aside and bring a DOF but the nonsense that you are peddling is just incredible, be objective we don't need to make shit up to have a solid argument against Woodward on the football side.
What are you on about lol. Your argument was that Mourinho and his camp knew he was sacked and leaked it to the media mentioning Conte as example, then you go on and say that Conte joined the preseson and was disgusted to see he was sacked, that means he ultimalely didn't know he would be sacked and was still waiting to see the club decision, completely different about your claim that Mourinho camp knows he's sacked, leaked it to the media and gonna manage the game tomorrow as if it's nothing!
Well thanks for poving my point right.
You didn't also tell us why we didn't see these leaks when Mourinho was sacked by Chelsea.
I mean, how are you not getting the Conte reference.
Please, you have no idea why targets were rejected. You are assuming it is because of so and so reasons but you can't be sure.
Even ignoring transfer targets, can you honestly say that mou has done a good job with the players we have? Doesn't he deserve to be let go for the mess we are in? I agree with us needing a better football brain in the club but that doesn't preclude mou sacking.
Aye didn't buy three good footballers for the football side, it was purely to sell shirts! Agenda posting at its finest.
Why Lingard? He's a much better player than people give him credit for, he's homegrown and one of our best players last season. Ok he's not a world beater but he's a great player to have in the squad.
Ed shouldn’t have that responsibility. If Mourinho had genuine concerns about an aspect of his squad, Ed should’ve sat up and taken notice. Either he should’ve trusted Mourinho’s word and backed him or dismissed him over what is essentially irreconcilable differences.
Ed picked the one option that wasn’t on the table.
If he has been given the "dreaded vote of confidence" by the Board, that normally means he will be gone very soon. A Newcastle win today will see the clamour for him to go reach fever pitch. The cost of binning him and possibly the lack of an obvious candidate to replace him - and the likely cost of this if it involves someone already in a job - are probably the main factors keeping him at United just now.
Watching United games on TV just now must be like tuning into "car crash TV" for fans of other clubs, while for United fans it is quite simply painful to watch.
Watching United games on TV just now must be like tuning into "car crash TV" for fans of other clubs, while for United fans it is quite simply painful to watch.
This is incredible. Di Maria was arguably in the top 5 players in the world the season before we signed him. Falcao was arguably the best striker in the world, and gambled on a loan, now all of a sudden these players were signed to sell shirts. The mental gymnastics here is ridiculous.
This is right up there with the people who claim that Sanchez wasn’t a Mourinho signing. It’s the ultimate cop out. Anytime a signing doesn’t work out, say it was a club signing to absolve the manager of any blame. Can’t wait to hear how Lindelof was signed to tap in to the Swedish market, or how Mkhitaryan was guaranteed to bring in more advertising revenue
This is where we will just disagree. I didn't rate either Di Maria or Pogba as highly before they joined and am right that they weren't a good fit for the club.
And I have been objective - my criticism of both players was before Jose managed a single game for us. I didn't say they weren't signed for footballing reasons whatsoever but they were signed with the brand in mind. Of course they were very players too, but we were busy building a Galactico brand rather than looking to spend more wisely.
Better late than never
If he gets sacked in the next week I wonder if we will get that Morrata chap in from Juventus as role of DOF and follow up with a new manager that will work well together.
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