D. McDonnell - the Mirror: Jose will be sacked this weekend | BBC: Jose still has board backing

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Well, at least it looks like he is not backtracking and is still certain he will be gone until next week.
I trust him.

He was spot on with LVG and Moyes, and isn't changing his stance even with the club denying it.

Jose is a dead man walking.
 
There are two types of people in the media: journalists and content writers. The journalists are the ones who actually find genuine sources. The content writers just churn clickbait.

This guy seems like a journalist, so he's written the story based on genuine info. And surely Sky would have checked the provenance of the source before they discussed it live on air.
 
I honestly think there is next to no chance of Zidane taking over. He’d be mad if he did.

We're the place that reputations come to die, both players' and managers'. Zidane would be well-advised to hold out for Juve, France, or maybe PSG.
 
You can't write a story like that and suffer little consequences if it turns out to be false.
Either you source is shit or you're lying which means you're not worth listening to.
I already see this bullshit being woven into the narrative, oh the club have been put off by the backlash... No. The journo shouldn't get away with that.
Why should the club feel shame unless the club knowingly leaked it as a whole?
 
He wrote an article about an independent transfer review stating that Martial wasn't worth what we paid for him. The Mirror used "what a waste of money" as a big back page splash, but journalists aren't responsible for the headlines their articles are given.
So he has a track record of being correct :smirk:
kidding, I wuv marty boy
 
There are two types of people in the media: journalists and content writers. The journalists are the ones who actually find genuine sources. The content writers just churn clickbait.

This guy seems like a journalist, so he's written the story based on genuine info. And surely Sky would have checked the provenance of the source before they discussed it live on air.
Have you seen the shit that Sky runs?
 
I honestly think there is next to no chance of Zidane taking over. He’d be mad if he did.

I wouldn't say there's no chance. I think it would be tempting for him of he was offered the position. I'm not sure how true the stories are that say he's interested in the job - that could all be shite - but if we do hire him, i strongly believe it would be another mistake and that could exacerbate things further.
 
During the same windows, Bailly and Lindelof went for similar or superior fees than Skriniar, Umtiti or Hummels, I don't even need to mention the dozens of players that went for far less or players like Bonucci that were in very particular context.
People like to mention the fact that he's spent £60m on CBs as a sign he's shopping in the bargain basement but ignore that he has a €200m central midfield.
 
I honestly think there is next to no chance of Zidane taking over. He’d be mad if he did.
I hope it's not Zidane but can't see how he'd be mad to take the job. One of the biggest jobs in world football, along with the knowledge that he can probably demand a lengthy contract with a juicy pay-off if it doesn't work out.
 
I just hope we haven't delayed the sacking because of a few people who are virtue-signaling about loyalty and decency.

I agree our board is a shambles but Mourinho is famous for his divisive, self-serving behaviour so I find it hard to dredge any sympathy for him. Especially as he's going to earn more for failing than any of us will ever do for succeeding.
 
I hope it's not Zidane but can't see how he'd be mad to take the job. One of the biggest jobs in world football, along with the knowledge that he can probably demand a lengthy contract with a juicy pay-off if it doesn't work out.

Reputational damage when it all, inevitably, goes tits up.
 
Where did I say I don't want him gone? All big clubs sack manager but all the clubs you mentioned hire winners who actually win stuff with their clubs before being sacked. Why are we still in such a mess, six years on despite investing almost £600m? The answer for that is crystal clear to me, it all starts at the top and there is no plan in place to where we are headed. Everyone expected a smooth transition, United will continue to be successful and the board won't have to worry too much about future planning because manager will take care of it all. It doesn't work like that in 21st century anymore, SAF was an exception but everyone needs to pull their weights for us to be successful and that includes players, fans, manager, staff and the board.

Personnel changes need to happen at board level too, there are continuously hiring wrong managers and wasting everyones time and money. A banker turned CEO is taking the final call as to which players are to brought in, how on earth fans don't see this as a bigger problem?

David Gill worked for First Choice before United. Just saying!! We gave managers money. £600m, the alternative is not to give the managers money. How would that go down. Ed didn’t say Yo Jose got buy Bailly and Matic, I like them two.
 
it's shambolic that after Moyes and van Gaal this club still can't properly sack a manager without any leaks and media circus. Wouldn't be surprised if this turned into another "dead man walking" scenario where he's sacked several times in the media before it actually happens.

I just wish this club would have a clear plan going forward. Sacking Mourinho is absolutely necessary, but beyond that? What should the team look like, what's the style of football, what's the identity? All those questions should influence the choice of manager. I'm not sure the club asked themselves these questions before at the least the last two appointments, and the lack of a concrete plan has cost this football club. If there's due diligence and Zidane is the one who ticks the most boxes, then great. But I just fear they'll quickly throw him in because of his name and because he's available. A proper DoF can't come soon enough.
 
David Gill worked for First Choice before United. Just saying!! We gave managers money. £600m, the alternative is not to give the managers money. How would that go down. Ed didn’t say Yo Jose got buy Bailly and Matic, I like them two.

Sarri and Atletico's current DOF, Andrea Berta, were also initially bankers.:D
 
One upside to a potential Zidane appointment is his reputation. Without a doubt with his reputation as a player and for his success at Madrid in Europe he'd attract elite players who would want to play for him.
 
He is and we fans know it from just watching football on tv. So explain to me how the board ( who most likely know alot more about him than us ) chose to give him the job?

The board is the shitshow, knowing fully well about his behaviour in the past they still hired him. They fecking put us in this mess. Jose just did like he always does and very few of us are shocked at his behaviour. They put the fox in the hen-house and now we're blaming the fox for killing the chickens, bad analogy I know but it's not far from the truth.

Look, I want Jose gone as much as some of the other fans but we have to point fingers at the ones that are ultimately responsible for this mess and it's not Mourinho.

No title in 4 years; Pep going to City. It was hardly a made decision to hire him. His CV is one of the best... who would you have hired.
 
Feck it, keep him just to stick a big two fingers to all the journos I say. Player power can kiss it. Finish mid table then have a fire sale of everything & everyone substandard.

Never know, the Glazers might feck off too. Bonus.
 
I hope it's not Zidane but can't see how he'd be mad to take the job. One of the biggest jobs in world football, along with the knowledge that he can probably demand a lengthy contract with a juicy pay-off if it doesn't work out.

Financially it certainly won't hurt him. But he'll fall short of expectations on the pitch, will have to deal with a boss who's prepared to publicly undermine him and veto his transfer targets on non-footballing grounds, and will also inherit a toxic dressing room where player power has run amok and falling out with the wrong 'superstar' will cost you your job. There will definitely be some reputational damage when it all inevitably goes wrong.
 
Feck it, keep him just to stick a big two fingers to all the journos I say. Player power can kiss it. Finish mid table then have a fire sale of everything & everyone substandard.

Never know, the Glazers might feck off too. Bonus.

Yes that makes sense, because at the end of the day, getting one over people who write for newspapers is what really matters.
 
I’ll be surprised if he’s not in charge by the time our subsequent home game against Juventus is up towards the end of October. Don’t see him as being that on the brink.
 
Financially it certainly won't hurt him. But he'll fall short of expectations on the pitch, will have to deal with a boss who's prepared to publicly undermine him and veto his transfer targets on non-footballing grounds, and will also inherit a toxic dressing room where player power has run amok and falling out with the wrong 'superstar' will cost you your job. There will definitely be some reputational damage when it all inevitably goes wrong.

When did that happen?
 
Feck it, keep him just to stick a big two fingers to all the journos I say. Player power can kiss it. Finish mid table then have a fire sale of everything & everyone substandard.

Never know, the Glazers might feck off too. Bonus.
What happens to the manager that finishes mid table?
 
Feck it, keep him just to stick a big two fingers to all the journos I say. Player power can kiss it. Finish mid table then have a fire sale of everything & everyone substandard.

Never know, the Glazers might feck off too. Bonus.

...right
 
What happens to the manager that finishes mid table?

Who cares? The club and its performances aren't important it's all about manager power, showing that he has stones and might.
 
Why would Zidane want to take over this squad in season, when he’s only got the January window to make any changes? Let’s be honest, this squad is just not good enough - should be better than 10th yes - but we are nowhere near title contenders. I do think time is up for Jose but I am worried about what happens next, once he’s gone.
 
Woodward should try to be coach. He is constantly vetoing and managing the club like he is some football expert.
 
Are we now going to pretend that Woodward didn't veto Mourinho's targets this summer?
 
Financially it certainly won't hurt him. But he'll fall short of expectations on the pitch, will have to deal with a boss who's prepared to publicly undermine him and veto his transfer targets on non-footballing grounds, and will also inherit a toxic dressing room where player power has run amok and falling out with the wrong 'superstar' will cost you your job. There will definitely be some reputational damage when it all inevitably goes wrong.
Every manager's job brings the risk of reputational damage if it goes wrong. I'd assume most managers usually have confidence in their abilities to make things go right though.
 
Woodward veto'd a number of Mourinho's targets in the summer and then briefed journalists all about it when the window shut.

And it was for non football reasons? Nothing to do with the team construction, the perceived quality of the players or maybe the potential compensation demanded by their clubs?
 
I just hope we haven't delayed the sacking because of a few people who are virtue-signaling about loyalty and decency.

So true. Gary Neville is a great guy but not very realistic sometimes ....at least not in public.
 
Never read so much illogical nonsense in defense of a manager that deserves to be sacked.
 
They run gossip sections on Sky Sports News, sure. But they devoted a segment of their key football programme to it last night.
Yeah but they talk about literally everything, they have 24 hrs to fill.
There isn't an ounce of quality control at that station.
 
And it was for non football reasons? Nothing to do with the team construction, the perceived quality of the players or maybe the potential compensation demanded by their clubs?

Woodward has no footballing expertise and is therefore in no position to make judgements on the basis of team construction or player quality, and he himself claims that transfer fees (and our unwillingness to pay them) paid no part in the summer's shambles "we were prepared to spend £100m on the right CB", "we can do things in the markets other clubs can only dream of" etc etc.
 
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