D. McDonnell - the Mirror: Jose will be sacked this weekend | BBC: Jose still has board backing

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Are we to stand by a manager who has disrespected the club at every turn, fallen out with his players, the board, the media and anyone else who dares to question his dated managerial methods, lead the club to its worst possible start since the inception of the premier league, forces his players and fans of the club to endure sleep-inducing football and who has yet to sign a player that we could categorically state as a success?

I think not.

I don't think he has disrespected the club. The board are shitting all over this club yet your anger and that of most is directed at the easiest target of them all. Theres only so much Jose can do with the little influence and power he seems to actually have. Its a joke
 
Sacking Mourinho now would be the most amateurish thing this club has ever done, and would be our biggest ever mistake and would just confirm that we are a massive circus who don't know what we are doing. The club needs a reshuffle but thats not down to Jose. He is a scapegoat, and an easy target. We keep Mourinho, we give ed a new role and get him to back off from the footballing matters, get him to concentrate only on sponsorships because hes evidently the best at that, get a good DoF in who will work with Mourinho, and give Jose the control he desires and needs to succeed. When he got this job, I bet he thought thats what he was getting, the opportunity to lay down a legacy of his own in SAF footsteps, and fergie always spoke about the most important factor of his success was the control he had over EVERY facet of the club. Give him that!!!! When he said recently "I am not a manager now, I am a coach, football has changed", you could tell he wasn't happy about it. Wonder if the guy feels like the job was mis sold to him. Give him the reigns and let him do it properly instead of treating one of the best managers of our time like a supply PE teacher for gods sake

Yes we needs a DOF but Jose is not the right man for this club. His tactics, style of play and the way he carries himself have shown this. Why are these things being ignored??
 
Pretty embarrassing for The Mirror if he is still at club after this story. It would destroy the credibility of McDonnell.

Does any journalist have credibility anymore? The vast majority just make up stories who are unfortunately believed by the idiots that read the papers.
 
Sacking Mourinho now would be the most amateurish thing this club has ever done, and would be our biggest ever mistake and would just confirm that we are a massive circus who don't know what we are doing. The club needs a reshuffle but thats not down to Jose. He is a scapegoat, and an easy target. We keep Mourinho, we give ed a new role and get him to back off from the footballing matters, get him to concentrate only on sponsorships because hes evidently the best at that, get a good DoF in who will work with Mourinho, and give Jose the control he desires and needs to succeed. When he got this job, I bet he thought thats what he was getting, the opportunity to lay down a legacy of his own in SAF footsteps, and fergie always spoke about the most important factor of his success was the control he had over EVERY facet of the club. Give him that!!!! When he said recently "I am not a manager now, I am a coach, football has changed", you could tell he wasn't happy about it. Wonder if the guy feels like the job was mis sold to him. Give him the reigns and let him do it properly instead of treating one of the best managers of our time like a supply PE teacher for gods sake

Great post. I’ve highlighted the key word in all of this, control. Fergie had control. Look how often the man uses the word in his autobiography, control was key for him. Mourinho wanted and expected the same at Manchester United. The problem for Jose is those days are gone. When SAF retired control went to the Glazers, fully and completely. Now we are seeing what a Glazer controlled United looks like. It’s not pretty is it...
 
Sacking Mourinho now would be the most amateurish thing this club has ever done, and would be our biggest ever mistake and would just confirm that we are a massive circus who don't know what we are doing. The club needs a reshuffle but thats not down to Jose. He is a scapegoat, and an easy target. We keep Mourinho, we give ed a new role and get him to back off from the footballing matters, get him to concentrate only on sponsorships because hes evidently the best at that, get a good DoF in who will work with Mourinho, and give Jose the control he desires and needs to succeed. When he got this job, I bet he thought thats what he was getting, the opportunity to lay down a legacy of his own in SAF footsteps, and fergie always spoke about the most important factor of his success was the control he had over EVERY facet of the club. Give him that!!!! When he said recently "I am not a manager now, I am a coach, football has changed", you could tell he wasn't happy about it. Wonder if the guy feels like the job was mis sold to him. Give him the reigns and let him do it properly instead of treating one of the best managers of our time like a supply PE teacher for gods sake

So you don't think Mourinho has done anything wrong?

The negative style, the falling out constantly with players, the lack of any sort of fluid play between our forwards?
He's the manager, he's responsible for the performance on the pitch, and that hasn't been good enough.
 
Yes we needs a DOF but Jose is not the right man for this club. His tactics, style of play and the way he carries himself have shown this. Why are these things being ignored??
Exactly. If we get a DOF who is going to suggest or buy players to suit United style, will Jose agree with this as he has different ideas? If he does. Why has he not been playing the United style and buying players for that style all along?
 
I don't think he has disrespected the club. The board are shitting all over this club yet your anger and that of most is directed at the easiest target of them all. Theres only so much Jose can do with the little influence and power he seems to actually have. Its a joke

To whom do you attribute the blame for our results on the pitch?
 
Yes we needs a DOF but Jose is not the right man for this club. His tactics, style of play and the way he carries himself have shown this. Why are these things being ignored??
They're not being ignored, most people are saying this. I am not the biggest fan of the football we are seeing, but he has the squad he has and I don't for one second buy into this idea that hes doing it on purpose. He doesn't trust his defence, and can we blame him off what we are seeing??? He is a professional and has proven (i dont care what anyone says to the contrary, its irrefutable) he is one of the best. I trust his is putting that team out to play in the best way he believes possible to get a result. That team isn't the team he wants, its the team hes got to work with. Give him more of his own players, give him more control, back him when players are being outspoken or disrespectful and give him the time he deserves. In regards to the way he carries himself, Mourinho has always been the same and we knew that when we signed him. He is a serial winner, and he hasn't got the backing to be able to win at the minute. He gets absolutely ZERO credit for last season or the season we won the Europa. None. Its now looking like a miracle in hindsight but he does not get the credit.
 
Yes we needs a DOF but Jose is not the right man for this club. His tactics, style of play and the way he carries himself have shown this. Why are these things being ignored??

There are still people who think Moyes should have had more time, so it's not surprising that someone will still be arguing Jose staying makes sense, despite all the circus and negativity round the team.
 
To whom do you attribute the blame for our results on the pitch?
The boards decisions, the players attitudes, and in parts mourinhos behaviour at times but its not as black and white as ITS MOURINHOS FAULT. Theres a much deeper issue at this club, and no new manager will suddenly turn things around.
 
Sacking Mourinho now would be the most amateurish thing this club has ever done, and would be our biggest ever mistake and would just confirm that we are a massive circus who don't know what we are doing. The club needs a reshuffle but thats not down to Jose. He is a scapegoat, and an easy target. We keep Mourinho, we give ed a new role and get him to back off from the footballing matters, get him to concentrate only on sponsorships because hes evidently the best at that, get a good DoF in who will work with Mourinho, and give Jose the control he desires and needs to succeed. When he got this job, I bet he thought thats what he was getting, the opportunity to lay down a legacy of his own in SAF footsteps, and fergie always spoke about the most important factor of his success was the control he had over EVERY facet of the club. Give him that!!!! When he said recently "I am not a manager now, I am a coach, football has changed", you could tell he wasn't happy about it. Wonder if the guy feels like the job was mis sold to him. Give him the reigns and let him do it properly instead of treating one of the best managers of our time like a supply PE teacher for gods sake

Give this man a medal!
 
So you don't think Mourinho has done anything wrong?

The negative style, the falling out constantly with players, the lack of any sort of fluid play between our forwards?
He's the manager, he's responsible for the performance on the pitch, and that hasn't been good enough.

I guarantee you if his ‘negative style’ had us top of the league right now, you wouldn’t give a toss about any if that.
 
Sacking Mourinho now would be the most amateurish thing this club has ever done, and would be our biggest ever mistake and would just confirm that we are a massive circus who don't know what we are doing. The club needs a reshuffle but thats not down to Jose. He is a scapegoat, and an easy target. We keep Mourinho, we give ed a new role and get him to back off from the footballing matters, get him to concentrate only on sponsorships because hes evidently the best at that, get a good DoF in who will work with Mourinho, and give Jose the control he desires and needs to succeed. When he got this job, I bet he thought thats what he was getting, the opportunity to lay down a legacy of his own in SAF footsteps, and fergie always spoke about the most important factor of his success was the control he had over EVERY facet of the club. Give him that!!!! When he said recently "I am not a manager now, I am a coach, football has changed", you could tell he wasn't happy about it. Wonder if the guy feels like the job was mis sold to him. Give him the reigns and let him do it properly instead of treating one of the best managers of our time like a supply PE teacher for gods sake
Mourinho used to be a PE teacher.
 
Does any journalist have credibility anymore? The vast majority just make up stories who are unfortunately believed by the idiots that read the papers.

There is no smoke without fire as they say.

I find it hard to believe a journo would make up such an elaborate story, not if said journo cared for his/her reputation.
 
Which big club doesn’t sack managers? Like I don’t get it. You do a good job at United you get backed and not sacked. If you do a poor job you get sacked. Simple. Jose would have been sacked at Bayern, Madrid, Barcelona even PSG if he produced the same results as he’s doing now. If anything the board are doing the 10 SAF commandments thing and the fans are still moaning.

Where did I say I don't want him gone? All big clubs sack manager but all the clubs you mentioned hire winners who actually win stuff with their clubs before being sacked. Why are we still in such a mess, six years on despite investing almost £600m? The answer for that is crystal clear to me, it all starts at the top and there is no plan in place to where we are headed. Everyone expected a smooth transition, United will continue to be successful and the board won't have to worry too much about future planning because manager will take care of it all. It doesn't work like that in 21st century anymore, SAF was an exception but everyone needs to pull their weights for us to be successful and that includes players, fans, manager, staff and the board.

Personnel changes need to happen at board level too, there are continuously hiring wrong managers and wasting everyones time and money. A banker turned CEO is taking the final call as to which players are to brought in, how on earth fans don't see this as a bigger problem?
 
I guarantee you if his ‘negative style’ had us top of the league right now, you wouldn’t give a toss about any if that.

But we're nowhere near the top of the league, we're currently languishing down in 10th with no clear sign of that changing anytime soon.

Stick to the facts rather than what if's.
 
I guarantee you if his ‘negative style’ had us top of the league right now, you wouldn’t give a toss about any if that.

We tolerated it last season. It was an uneasy alliance.

Without the results, there is absolutely no sway, and it's time for him to go.
 
Where did I say I don't want him gone? All big clubs sack manager but all the clubs you mentioned hire winners who actually win stuff with their clubs before being sacked. Why are we still in such a mess, six years on despite investing almost £600m? The answer for that is crystal clear to me, it all starts at the top and there is no plan in place to where we are headed. Everyone expected a smooth transition, United will continue to be successful and the board won't have to worry too much about future planning because manager will take care of it all. It doesn't work like that in 21st century anymore, SAF was an exception but everyone needs to pull their weights for us to be successful and that includes players, fans, manager, staff and the board.

Personnel changes need to happen at board level too, there are continuously hiring wrong managers and wasting everyones time and money. A banker turned CEO is taking the final call as to which players are to brought in, how on earth fans don't see this as a bigger problem?

Just one thing, the current managers of all the clubs mentioned weren't winners when their club hired them.
 
I can't believe people want to give Mourinho even more power to turn us into his horrid vision of football, it's like paying the electric bill for Dr. Frankenstein.
 
They're not being ignored, most people are saying this. I am not the biggest fan of the football we are seeing, but he has the squad he has and I don't for one second buy into this idea that hes doing it on purpose. He doesn't trust his defence, and can we blame him off what we are seeing??? He is a professional and has proven (i dont care what anyone says to the contrary, its irrefutable) he is one of the best. I trust his is putting that team out to play in the best way he believes possible to get a result. That team isn't the team he wants, its the team hes got to work with. Give him more of his own players, give him more control, back him when players are being outspoken or disrespectful and give him the time he deserves. In regards to the way he carries himself, Mourinho has always been the same and we knew that when we signed him. He is a serial winner, and he hasn't got the backing to be able to win at the minute. He gets absolutely ZERO credit for last season or the season we won the Europa. None. Its now looking like a miracle in hindsight but he does not get the credit.

I'm sorry but it's the same defence that we had last season, we conceded 28 goals.
So what has changed since then? Jose has pretty much thrown our defenders under the bus so what we are seeing is them playing with a lack of confidence and direction. If the defence was good enough last season why isn't it good enough this season?
 
Not sure how Jose can turn things around at this point. We look like we have no plan or desire this early in the season which is a big worry. I think it’s more likely for Ed to hold onto him until it’s mathematically impossible for 4th than it is for Jose to get sacked now. The circus goes on
Yup, don't know why so many people think he'll be sacked anytime soon. Unless we get genuinely battered in the upcoming games (which we might), I can't see the board sacking him anytime soon.

He usually does decently agaisnt the top teams, so I don't think we will get humiliated against Chelsea and Juventus. However, if the players don't bother, it could get very embarassing for the club.
 
I can't believe people want to give Mourinho even more power to turn us into his horrid vision of football, it's like paying the electric bill for Dr. Frankenstein.

That's nonsense, Dr. Frankenstein was a brilliant scientist.
 
So this was all bs? What a joke, I was happy at the chance of seeing the clown getting the sack and now sky and everyone else are reporting it was all nonsense.
 
The boards decisions, the players attitudes, and in parts mourinhos behaviour at times but its not as black and white as ITS MOURINHOS FAULT. Theres a much deeper issue at this club, and no new manager will suddenly turn things around.

Mourinho selects the team and is responsible for motivating that team in preparation for the game, he is also responsible for deploying said teams tactical approach and strategy.

The buck stops with the manager, this has been true of football since the creation of the game. Why does not apply to Jose Mourinho?
 
This is a circus. Either walk/sack or stay. I blame Jose. He's been a lunatic for some time now.
 
People saying give Mourinho ho more control. Feck off! He has more control than any club he's ever managed and that's why he's not been sacked. More control to do what, spend huge amount of players that are useful for no more than two seasons, sell expensive signings for peanuts cause they don't adjust to his stone age football?
Feck off. We need a DoF.
 
There is no smoke without fire as they say.

I find it hard to believe a journo would make up such an elaborate story, not if said journo cared for his/her reputation.

In that clip he talked about a "feeling" that time was up.

Most likely he has been told Jose is going, but there is that slight doubt that someone internal has been saying a bit too much based on "feeling" rather than fact, and they've both jumped the gun a bit.

That'd be so disappointing, as you always know when it's time for a change. There's usually one horrible limp defeat that shows players have given up. Moyes losing 3-0 to Everton, and the 3-1 v West Ham being great examples of this
 
What's the betting we get 10 mins of good football today at home to a pathetic side and we get all the "turned a corner", "galvanised" "right behind Jose", "it's different now" crap then in 2 weeks we go to Chelsea and don't even have a shot on target.
 
People saying give Mourinho ho more control. Feck off! He has more control than any club he's ever managed and that's why he's not been sacked. More control to do what, spend huge amount of players that are useful for no more than two seasons, sell expensive signings for peanuts cause they don't adjust to his stone age football?
Feck off. We need a DoF.

How do YOU know he has more control at United than ‘any club he has ever managed’?
 
Just one thing, the current managers of all the clubs mentioned weren't winners when their club hired them.
The idea that top clubs should only hire managers that have won stuff before is nonsense. Top clubs would just end up recycling managers endlessly.
 
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