D. McDonnell - the Mirror: Jose will be sacked this weekend | BBC: Jose still has board backing

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It's simply sickening the way the club is run now. Shameless.

And what's the point of wasting all this time and money and only to sack the manager now? Who is going to be able to replace him?

This club is now officially worse than Chelsea.
 
It could be that Jose's camp made it look like a leak to pressure the board to either sack him or back him in public.

He used one of those to get a contract extensions while leaking all over the places that PSG was interested in him.
 
All these leaks about transfers and this sacking makes it look like Ed is trying to be pally with the Media so that they keep his name out of the dirt. But the blame game on everyone around him, but no one asks the tough questions about him in the papers. I think both Ed and Mourinho need to go.
 
Sunny Jim said:
Who else is out there? I mean i want Jose gone (sadly, i really hoped he would stay here for years) but do we have a reasonable replacement?
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This is why we have failed to adequately replace SAF. We don't need title winners to make us play better, we need a coach who will work with the team to improve us. Real Madrid are completely stacked and have world class players all over the pitch and have Ronaldo. Yes winning CL thrice is a huge achievement but I'm concerned about Zidabe's coaching credentials. We are very messy and have problems all over the pitch, not sure of Zidane can handle it.

I am very impressed by the way Nuno Esprinto has coached Wolves, Jardim also has experience. We really should have gotten Sarri but seem to have missed out on him just like Klopp.
 
ash_86 said:
Board needs to feck off. The signs were there all of summer and pre-season. They wait and wait and wait and then act 8 games into the season. I'm done with this incompetent board. Two years from now we'd be saying the same thing again. Rinse repeat.
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Yep, they stuck with LvG at the start of 15/16 when we were playing poorly despite winning, although many top managers, younger and better, were on the move. This was also despite knowing LvG wouldn't be staying beyond 3 years anyway.

Then they haven't sacked Jose till now which is a travesty as the manager himself, before anyone else, had effectively downed tools during preseason by claiming that we should prepare for difficult times ahead.

I have no illusions that the next manager will do much better as the foundations are rotten. But no point in pessimism from the start, and a change is badly needed now.
 
Any manager should be treated respectfully by the club. It's embarassing to learn things like that from the media. Hope they haven't leaked info.
 
SER19 said:
If you’re a fan of any rival club I imagine it does yes
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Most fans of other clubs want Jose to stay though. They think he's doing a great job right now. And they are worried that the next manager might get things right.
 
dwd said:
Yet he sacked his joint managers at Salford who had got them all their promotions only to bring in a bigger name. He’s a walking hypocrite.
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Wow, didn't even know about that. People like these should be kept far far away from the decision making at our club.
 
SER19 said:
If you’re a fan of any rival club I imagine it does yes
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I agree with @TsuWave . We can hopefully start our season after Newcastle now.

As for your rival fan comment, I bet the majority would prefer us to keep José because they know we're going nowhere under him. You could argue we're not going anywhere under the board either, which you're free to do so and probably have a point even though they've backed both van Gaal and Mourinho, but with a new manager in charge we'd at least get to freshen things up before - hopefully - reevaluating our long term approach.
 
Treble said:
Most fans of other clubs want Jose to stay though. They think he's doing a great job right now. And they are worried that the next manager might get things right.
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Yagami said:
I agree with @TsuWave . We can hopefully start our season after Newcastle now.

As for your rival fan comment, I bet the majority would prefer us to keep José because they know we're going nowhere under him. You could argue we're not going anywhere under the board either, which you're free to do so and probably have a point even though they've backed both van Gaal and Mourinho, but with a new manager in charge we'd at least get to freshen things up before - hopefully - reevaluating our long term approach.
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What I mean to say is that for 5 years rival fans have had Christmas almost every day with the shambles we are in. If i were watching Liverpool handle this latest manager the way we have, new contract in January, not backed in summer, leaked sacking in October, I would be pissing myself laughing. How does that timeline make any sense
 
SER19 said:
What I mean to say is that for 5 years rival fans have had Christmas almost every day with the shambles we are in. If i were watching Liverpool handle this latest manager the way we have, new contract in January, not backed in summer, leaked sacking in October, I would be pissing myself laughing. How does that timeline make any sense
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I see but they are worried now. Our squad ain't that bad and a new manager can make us compete with Liverpool. I'm sure they won't be happy.
 
Treble said:
I see but they are worried now. Our squad ain't that bad and a new manager can make us compete with Liverpool. I'm sure they won't be happy.
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I think that maybe yes a new manager might improve us. Might not. But either way run as we are our successes will be sporadic and not really amounting to or building towards anything. The club is a mess.
 
Kapardin said:
Yep, they stuck with LvG at the start of 15/16 when we were playing poorly despite winning, although many top managers, younger and better, were on the move. This was also despite knowing LvG wouldn't be staying beyond 3 years anyway.

Then they haven't sacked Jose till now which is a travesty as the manager himself, before anyone else, had effectively downed tools during preseason by claiming that we should prepare for difficult times ahead.

I have no illusions that the next manager will do much better as the foundations are rotten. But no point in pessimism from the start, and a change is badly needed now.
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Change is needed right from top to bottom. Jose is just a clog in the machine. The entire underneath is rusted and needs to be replaced. Hope we go for a caretaker manager, get the DoF onboard and then look for the manager in the summer under his guidance.
 
SER19 said:
What I mean to say is that for 5 years rival fans have had Christmas almost every day with the shambles we are in. If i were watching Liverpool handle this latest manager the way we have, new contract in January, not backed in summer, leaked sacking in October, I would be pissing myself laughing. How does that timeline make any sense
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Sometimes, you should stop caring about what rival fans think. We should all be happy and relieved that the incompetent fool is on the verge of fecking off, before he does more damage.
 
If this is true, sacking Jose is the right decision but leaking the news to the press is a very shitty way to do it. Have some class and tell the man to his face instead of going behind his back. Jose probably knows exactly what's going on since they did the same thing to LVG by talking to Jose we'll before the sack.
 
tombombadil said:
Exactly. Tail wagging dog. It preposterous.

This board is shameless and disgusting and clueless. They're being played by the media and some player agents and the manager gets the blame.
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:lol: Sure. They're being "played". The media is the reason we're in 10th place.
 
SER19 said:
I think that maybe yes a new manager might improve us. Might not. But either way run as we are our successes will be sporadic and not really amounting to or building towards anything. The club is a mess.
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You have a point, unfortunately.
 
Bravo Man Utd, club is a joke these days.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Sometimes, you should stop caring about what rival fans think. We should all be happy and relieved that the incompetent fool is on the verge of fecking off, before he does more damage.
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I don’t. I was responding to a fan of ours saying today is like Christmas. Today, when our club has yet again shown itself to be an absolute circus, is meant to be a good day? Such a shallow point of view.
 
Yeh, I've been thinking they've been waiting for the international break to pull the trigger.

It is snide when it gets leaked early though. The way the LVG news broke was well out of order. Didn't even let him enjoy his cup win.

Also don't think the players haven't been "trying to win", but I think there's definitely a subconscious 10% of your performance that isn't there if you're not happy. I don't think that's a lack of professionalism, I think that's just human nature.

Neville is pretty spot on too, having read the whole thing. I do think Jose needs to go, but Woodward needs to go too. There's no point hiring a cheque book manager if you're not going to back him. Absolutely pointless. And when Woodward was vetoing transfers because he didn't think they were good enough the writing was already on the wall.

You also can't hire Moyes, LVG and Jose and then complain that the football is shit. Car crash at boardroom level since Fergie left (and probably before)
 
The club is in absolute mess. Would Zidane even want to come here and inevitably be sacked when the wheels fall off again after 18 months?
 
SER19 said:
What I mean to say is that for 5 years rival fans have had Christmas almost every day with the shambles we are in. If i were watching Liverpool handle this latest manager the way we have, new contract in January, not backed in summer, leaked sacking in October, I would be pissing myself laughing. How does that timeline make any sense
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That's a fair point. Though, to be fair, in those 5 years we've still won 4 more trophies than them :D

As @Treble said, I doubt they're happy with us sacking José now anyway. Like, when they sacked Rodgers when it was obvious he was taking them backwards after that impressive 13/14 season, I wasn't too happy because I knew they were going nowhere under him.
 
ash_86 said:
Change is needed right from top to bottom. Jose is just a clog in the machine. The entire underneath is rusted and needs to be replaced. Hope we go for a caretaker manager, get the DoF onboard and then look for the manager in the summer under his guidance.
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A caretaker from October? Why?

DOF yes, but no reason why we can't be looking long term with a manager too.
 
SER19 said:
I don’t. I was responding to a fan of ours saying today is like Christmas. Today, when our club has yet again shown itself to be an absolute circus, is meant to be a good day? Such a shallow point of view.
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I'm just delighted that we're getting rid before more damage is done. For once, the board isn't waiting for things to get way worse before acting. If you think that's a circus, Fair enough, your POV.
 
WPMUFC said:
Part of me wonders what the anti-jose brigade will say once he's sacked, we get a new manager, and the same BS continues. As i've said, Jose will have to go because the players have stopped playing for him. However, when we realise the board and player ego are having a HUGE say on what is happening in our club, the next manager is walking into a mine field that they likely wont survive.

Get your next set of excuses ready lads, we are about to reset AGAIN and will simply repeat the sacking cycle in 1-2 seasons.
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Sack the new manager, amazing how people can't see it.
 
Yagami said:
I agree with @TsuWave . We can hopefully start our season after Newcastle now.

As for your rival fan comment, I bet the majority would prefer us to keep José because they know we're going nowhere under him. You could argue we're not going anywhere under the board either, which you're free to do so and probably have a point even though they've backed both van Gaal and Mourinho, but with a new manager in charge we'd at least get to freshen things up before - hopefully - reevaluating our long term approach.
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Good luck with that. I'd imagine that it will take an absolute strong-willed manager to get used to Ed & Co, and quite a bit of time to get these bunch of players to buckle down. And on top of that, he has to convince Pogba to stay at the club. I'd be willing to wager that Pogba is still looking for a move in the near future.

Replacing the manager is one thing. The whole club is a mess at the moment, and I don't think that getting a new manager in is going to help our cause much for the foreseeable future, let alone the next game.
 
Everyone talking about leaking, it’s hardly a leak. It’s one journalist out of many who has got the story. If it was in all the papers, yes, have a go at Woodward, the club, whoever for being underhand and leaking but I think that’s wrong in this case.
 
Micky Targaryen said:
Good luck with that. I'd imagine that it will take an absolute strong-willed manager to get used to Ed & Co, and quite a bit of time to get these bunch of players to buckle down. And on top of that, he has to convince Pogba to stay at the club. I'd be willing to wager that Pogba is still looking for a move in the near future.

Replacing the manager is one thing. The whole club is a mess at the moment, and I don't think that getting a new manager in is going to help our cause much for the foreseeable future, let alone the next game.
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I reckon it'll be an interim manager who wouldn't have the worries of convincing Pogba to stay and whatnot, don't you? I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case.

The whole club is in a bit of a mess, sure, but I still believe if we got a progressive manager in like our rivals have who would then sort our teams cohesion and whatnot out in training, we'd at least play some good stuff that could bring new found optimism into the club going into next season. That's all I'm hoping for, personally.
 
MDFC Manager said:
I'm just delighted that we're getting rid before more damage is done. For once, the board isn't waiting for things to get way worse before acting. If you think that's a circus, Fair enough, your POV.
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Still about 8 months late in my opinion. I'm also happy he's going, but whilst I'm happy he's going I can still be unhappy at the way the club has once again gone about it's business.

We're an absolute shit show and have been for years. If this was a rival club we'd be laughing out tits off, because we'd know that it isn't going to be fixed purely by replacing the manager.
 
I don’t feel any happiness hearing this even though I agree Mourinho’s time is up. I think it is in part because it feels like deja vu from when LVGs time was coming to an end and nothing seems to have changed with another cycle of manager merry go round. Plus, realistically, there are no obvious choices that would come in and improve us straight away. If the board is pulling the trigger now, then most probably they have Zidane tied up and I am not sure he is the right answer.
 
Carl said:
Still about 8 months late in my opinion. I'm also happy he's going, but whilst I'm happy he's going I can still be unhappy at the way the club has once again gone about it's business.
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That's pretty fair. Giving the buffoon a contract extension was in my view a worse decision than giving Moyesy a 6 year contract. Incredibly poor decision making.
 
If they had just sacked him after the West Ham game - even then you would have a completely different vibe about the decision taken and how it was handled. Just before a game and keeping the guy in charge as a dead man walking is bizarre.
 
redIndianDevil said:
This is why we have failed to adequately replace SAF. We don't need title winners to make us play better, we need a coach who will work with the team to improve us. Real Madrid are completely stacked and have world class players all over the pitch and have Ronaldo. Yes winning CL thrice is a huge achievement but I'm concerned about Zidabe's coaching credentials. We are very messy and have problems all over the pitch, not sure of Zidane can handle it.

I am very impressed by the way Nuno Esprinto has coached Wolves, Jardim also has experience. We really should have gotten Sarri but seem to have missed out on him just like Klopp.
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Yeah i like Nuno as well. Seems like a great guy as well. And i share your concerns about Zidane.
 
MDFC Manager said:
That's pretty fair. Giving the buffoon a contract extension was in my view a worse decision than giving Moyesy a 6 year contract. Incredibly poor decision making.
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I really don't think Jose is a buffoon. He needs to go, but he's not responsible for this failure IMO. He'll go down as one of the greatest managers of all time.
 
MDFC Manager said:
I'm just delighted that we're getting rid before more damage is done. For once, the board isn't waiting for things to get way worse before acting. If you think that's a circus, Fair enough, your POV.
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The same board gave him a huge contract in January. Then elected to rule the roost transfer wise, start the season with a manager they didn’t back, see us fall off the pace and now publicly leak news so we likely have a manager taking a really important game at home knowing he is being sacked and players knowing it too. The only thing misssing is juggling. Utter circus
 
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