Fair enough, it was widely reported in the media that he was going to be replaced.
He dug his heels in and didn’t want to go which is why it took so long for them to get Sarri in.
D. McDonnell - the Mirror: Jose will be sacked this weekend | BBC: Jose still has board backing
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He dug his heels in and didn’t want to go which is why it took so long for them to get Sarri in.
It doesn't mean he himself was told by the board he was getting the sack midseason. Both are different concepts.
This whole damned business has been played out in the media. The club has more leaks than the Titanic had. Why should this episode be any different? The dignity of this club has been dragged through the gutter. Sir Matt must be turning in his grave.
You have to understand how Woodward financial brain works. It is purely financial and not football related. Choosing to announce bad news during the weekend is always better for big companies so the initial shock does not affect the stock market price. The shock would cool off until the next trading day and the price hit will be minimal.
Also if Mourinho is sacked, again its not because of the bad football we are playing. Its probably financilay speaking its better to pay his 26 million contract break now rather than not qualify for champions league and lose more. Its all about money.
Also if Mourinho is sacked, again its not because of the bad football we are playing. Its probably financilay speaking its better to pay his 26 million contract break now rather than not qualify for champions league and lose more. Its all about money.
Our board is truly rotten. We can call for Mourinho's head (or I'm predicting any future manager's in a year or two, if Eddy continues to 'spearhead' our footballing decisions) and despise the football we play, but do not look past the root of all our ailments as a club since the day SAF ceased to be around to hold all the crumbling walls together. This board is not equipped at all to run Manchester United Football Club, and the slimy way they have gone about this stuff since the days of Moyes is abhorrent. The one thing Eddy Woody and co. can guarantee.
We used to ridicule other teams over the years for how they handled their managers and internal affairs, but we have somehow managed on countless occasions (in just 6 short years) to stoop to multiple levels below that. Everyone and his mother knew Jose would throw his toys out of the pram if he didn't get his transfer targets. Everyone knows how Mourinho gets success. Everyone except the person who appointed him, apparently. Giving him a shiny new contract, then publicly not backing him 6 months later and leaking all kinds of rubbish just to 'one up' Mourinho and low-key boast about his own footballing knowledge. Back the man or sack him in July already.
Classless, amateurish and disgraceful. Waste of a season.
We used to ridicule other teams over the years for how they handled their managers and internal affairs, but we have somehow managed on countless occasions (in just 6 short years) to stoop to multiple levels below that. Everyone and his mother knew Jose would throw his toys out of the pram if he didn't get his transfer targets. Everyone knows how Mourinho gets success. Everyone except the person who appointed him, apparently. Giving him a shiny new contract, then publicly not backing him 6 months later and leaking all kinds of rubbish just to 'one up' Mourinho and low-key boast about his own footballing knowledge. Back the man or sack him in July already.
Classless, amateurish and disgraceful. Waste of a season.
Because Ed loves to tell the media first before telling the managers that they're getting sacked.
Journos getting sources or leaks from inside the club about their plans for the managerial position is different than the board telling he manager in his face he's getting the sack and be reported by the media he was told he will get the sack.
In our state and Conte's one, it's clearly the first. Not sure how you're reading it any differently but fair enough and sorry if I talked in an aggressive way earlier. Let's agree to disagree.
Ex players and individuals with sources close to the club claiming there are deeper issues in the club, rather than just blame the manager. But people on here seem to know better about the club's internal matters. Not sure which group to trust there.
Anyhoo if this news is true, the board better make damn sure they have already done extensive research and nail down a top class replacement.
Bit of sympathy for Jose, he could never catch a fecking break the moment he stepped into this club. With the way this club is run, from the board to the players, I would say the manager position for this club is a poisoned chalice at the moment and no manager in his right mind would be interested.
Anyhoo if this news is true, the board better make damn sure they have already done extensive research and nail down a top class replacement.
Bit of sympathy for Jose, he could never catch a fecking break the moment he stepped into this club. With the way this club is run, from the board to the players, I would say the manager position for this club is a poisoned chalice at the moment and no manager in his right mind would be interested.
Yeah say that all you want but that was also said by many when Moyes and LVG were sacked and whoever our next manager is the majority of fans will be calling for his head by 2021 as well. We've become a joke. The managers aren't the problem, i don't know what is, but we are heading down a path that will see us chop and change managers every few seasons when things go bad for a while. We have no patience. We never should have sacked Moyes.
Unlike LvG, whom I was glad to see leave, I actually feel a bit sad for Jose. He gets his compensation, but his career's really unravelled since 2014. Hope he succeeds at his next job.
Imagine if Shanahan not only had to coach the team but also run the draft, make decisions on player acquisitions, player cuts, practice squad decisions, etc. Imagine if John Lynch or the entire GM job didn't exist and it was Shanahan and Jed York basically making all of the significant football decisions. It's pretty easy to see how it could all turn into a bit of a shiteshow right?
That’s fair enough man, maybe it wasn’t the best example it was just the first thing I thought of.
For what it’s worth I’m not claiming anything that I’ve said to be fact I just think there’s more to this than meets the eye. Especially with somebody like Mourinho, a master of the “dark arts”, who has a history of leaking information like this.
I personally think it would benefit him because I think he’s lost a lot of fans/support recently and if this was to come out like it has done tonight then the club and board would take a lot of heat and shift the focus of blame from him and his poor performances onto them and how they’ve handled the situation. I also think that that may be why he is still as it stands going to manage the game against Newcastle because the match going fans will support him and not the board and give him a send off. Then he walks away with his £15 million and a bit more respect from most people.
So this is it then it seems?
I'll believe this when I see it.
The man is a terrible manager for a club that aspires to win things. The whole story about him telling Rio to watch videos of Jagielka is prove enough for a keen observer of football that he's a mid table PL manager at BEST.
The correct diagnosis is "We should never have appointed Ed Woodward CEO". The fairy dust from SAF never existed. It's a DOF and a manager/coach. That's the model in modern football.
Such a shame. If only we had sacked him sooner. We could have gotten either Tuchel or Sarri.
Hopefully Woodward sacks himself next.
Hopefully Woodward sacks himself next.
Not sure how do I feel about this.
We need to change but who'll replace Jose? The main culprit behind, Ed Woodward Also need to be roasted in public. There's no coincidence we've been struggling since he became CEO of this club.
We need to change but who'll replace Jose? The main culprit behind, Ed Woodward Also need to be roasted in public. There's no coincidence we've been struggling since he became CEO of this club.
Yeah I get that. I also get that we needed a football director since Ferg left. Woodward is a great money guy, but football doesn't always translate into that. So thats why I don't understand how that is not obvious, and not dealt with before we recycle another manager who is not the best fit and has been cracked
Part of me wonders what the anti-jose brigade will say once he's sacked, we get a new manager, and the same BS continues. As i've said, Jose will have to go because the players have stopped playing for him. However, when we realise the board and player ego are having a HUGE say on what is happening in our club, the next manager is walking into a mine field that they likely wont survive.
Get your next set of excuses ready lads, we are about to reset AGAIN and will simply repeat the sacking cycle in 1-2 seasons.
Get your next set of excuses ready lads, we are about to reset AGAIN and will simply repeat the sacking cycle in 1-2 seasons.
Could there have been a worse time in a season to sack Mourinho? Our next 7 games will be insanely difficult to win regardless of manager - wouldn't you want to ease someone in when the results are easier to achieve?
Conversely, we could completely capitulate under Mourinho too in our next 7 games considering our recent form.
He never should have got a 3rd season. We didn't plan well enough and I really hope the club has a plan for his successor, but I remain doubtful.
Oh sh*t
I'll be surprised if we didn't get one. We were heavily linked to Monchi near the start of Jose's time here but that was shot down with a leak or something saying Mourinho didn't want one and wanted more control of who the club are signing (see: Chelsea and him ending up with Djilobodji instead of Stones).
If Mourinho is gone, I think we'll work towards signing a DoF before the summer.
This has probably been posted already (apologies, just catching up) but checking Twitter feeds, McDonnell has also previously correctly reported Moyes' and LVG's sacking before the official announcement.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-sack-david-moyes-3438544
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/axe-set-fall-louis-van-8016430
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-sack-david-moyes-3438544
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/axe-set-fall-louis-van-8016430
The way LVG was sacked immediately after winning the FA cup was disgraceful. His performance deserved the sacking but the timing was almost inhumane.
Now this report. We have every right to feel discontent with the way the club hierarchy operates now. But considering how Mourinho has behaved these past 6 months, the number of times he has disrespected the club and its history, I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for him.
Now this report. We have every right to feel discontent with the way the club hierarchy operates now. But considering how Mourinho has behaved these past 6 months, the number of times he has disrespected the club and its history, I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for him.
There have been a few NFL coaches that managed to do this fairly well, holding both the HC/GM roles, or having final/all say on all football operations and personnel decisions. Holmgren called all the shots in Seattle when he was there; Belichick does the same in New England (de facto GM); Reid in Philadelphia held all say during his time; Shanahan practically ran the entire show during his Denver tenure, and he held the GM title in Washington though Little Danny Snyder acted like a small-time Jerry Jones in reality.
Some could argue Payton holds all power in New Orleans regardless of the actual GM seat-filler, and Carroll seems to have full control in Seattle regardless of who's holding the GM role.
Then there's the 89-93 Cowboys when anyone with legit knowledge of what occurred knew Jimmy ran the entire football operations side while Jerry ran the football administration side. That is until Jerry craved that acceptance from the media, the public, the football people and booted Jimmy out.
Yes please!!
Carrick and McKenna caretaker managers till we find a permanent solution.
Carrick and McKenna caretaker managers till we find a permanent solution.
I understand not wanting to go down the road of changing managers every couple of seasons, I don't want that either, but not sacking Moyes? Come on. He was seriously out of his depth. There was absolutely no signs of him being able to manage United. Nothing. None. Zero.
Which is really important, but he’s also intelligent, has what seems to be a philosophy or vision and has a world of experience in football. Not accounting, football.
I'm still surprised SAF didn't push himself to take on a DOF role and oversee/assist someone like Moyes whom he handpicked.
Maybe the next one won't work out either. But that doesn't mean you support incompetence. One change that's needed is better than none.
One of the world's most successful managers who simply isn't good enough for us anymore. Enough of putting people on a padestal based on past glory. We need to get the basics right rather than constantly going by reputation and big names. Mourinho has been a complete disappointment and he's bringing the house down this season. At any big club this would be out of order.
Definitely agree that the next choice is critical. Like it was after LVG really. All we can do is hope that we get it right.
The people that are blaming the managers are also in agreement that there are deeper issues at the club. We just don't think those issues absolve any bit of blame from Mourinho. Mourinho is still at fault for the crap football we watch. Woodward is at fault for hiring these crap managers that don't fit United and are not part of a vision for what the club wants.
Ffs.. I've wanted him gone since the Seville loss so I don't have a problem with this, but we're back to square once again. Sacking Mourinho is all well and good but if the board and Woodward remain then we're just going to be shit for a long time no matter who is in charge, I do not trust them to have the right plan going forward. Who could honestly produce success in this squalor? fecking shambles leaking it to the press too.
it hasn't been one change, it's been 3. So tell me, when the next manager can't cope with player ego and the board vetoing transfers, how much closer will we be to winning the title?
How many managers are you going to call incompetent? It's it going to be another 10 years and 10 managers before people click on that its not ALL down to the manager.
I hope we consider Fonseca for the job now that Tuchel is at PSG.
And where was this support for LVG?
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