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Gaming Cyberpunk 2077 (PC, PS4/5, Xbox One)
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I was actually referring originally to how different games have different strengths. Read Dead's random NPCs definitely behave the most realistically, but what is the AI in combat which is the meat of the game? It's essentially a game from the 2000s or your typical GTA where you have to aim at your target and shoot. On the other hand games which allow you for different approaches such as Deus Ex (holy grail for me) is a bigger challenge for that part of the AI as there are so many possibilities. World population AI - yes top drawer stuff. On actual missions and all - it's like a scripted movie.
I dont think the Witcher's AI is really bad. It's just normal whereas it truly shines in other areas. If the AI is terrible in the Witcher 3 then we're dumping too many games into the rubbish bracket IMO.
I think I know the one, he just stares at you while you eat at chat
the Crucifix brain dance quest?
Spot on – I saw this video and it is genuinely amazing how much detail they have built into this game.
That's amazing but at a cost Red Dead Redemption is one of the most boring games to actually play rockstar have released, its beautiful to look at but lasts forever and is very dull.
Cyberpunk for all its flaws is miles more fun when its working.
Wow fair play to RDR2! That’s amazing, that game was ridiculous though.
That's very true and valid criticism. I think this youtube video was talking about this
But - I don't agree that it's a problem. In fact, I completely disagree.
There are two different philosophies there for me. One the one hand youve got games where you can complete missions in a variety of ways; Hitman (being the obvious one which is literally built on this), Deus Ex, Metal Gear sometimes, and even games like Breath of the Wild.
Then you've got the scripted cinematic ones like The Last of Us, Red Dead Redemption, Uncharted, GTA, and probably hundreds of others.
Which are better? Well that depends on what you want. In terms of making you feel like you are living a movie, I think the scripted philosophy of Last of Us, Uncharted, GTA, RDR win out. If you value freedom and creativity then obviously you aren't going to want that as much.
What is so incredible for me about GTA and RDR is that they combine the two approaches; free open world, reactionary AI with the hyper scripted movie-like moments of the missions. RDR2 is comparable to anything done by Naughty Dog in terms of the quality of it's set-pieces. It's also comparable to anything done elsewhere in terms of the freedom of the open world.
Dunno where I'm going with this
But yeah, CDPR AI is poo
I know what you mean, they're all different kind of games and each has their own place. But over time I've fallen out of love with games like RDR2 and GTA as I genuinely don't believe their gameplay loop offers anything. RDR2 was great in terms of cinematics and the world, but the gameplay is just too bare. Same with GTA. Games that either merge gameplay with cinematics like Witcher 3 (combat is not brilliant but I liked it miles better than those two, and it's more of an RPG)or God of War (brilliant gameplay and narrative), or completely unique experiences like Outer Wilds or Nier Automata are now much more my cup of tea.
Agree with this.
Yeah, it was that one.
That's fair enough and I can understand why some don't enjoy it but for me its anything but boring. It's like playing a western movie and that comes with all the same pacing (issues or qualities) that those movies traditionally bring. I think whats rare though Is that completely immersive feeling of being the character which Rockstar achieved with Arthur in RDR2, the detail in the world is such that you could literally just take a walk and it would feel interesting. It also helps that I love the hunting, fishing and general shooting in that game.
Cyberpunk i also get and I'm enjoying it for completely different reasons.
Red Dead Redemption 2 is the best game ever made.
that's something I feel Ghost of Tsushima wasn't criticized for when it should have been. Literally some of the most limited AI i've seen; when you release hostages and they just run out into the open path and field of vision of Mongols who do absolutely nothing
Graphical upgrades have been exceptional in the past decade or so but I wish game companies would focus more on getting character AI better.
Red dead redemption 2 is the closest thing to a third person western simulator ever made.
It's an incredible achievement.
Unfortunately the majority of the time, the wild wild west was probably quite dull
It's an incredible achievement.
Unfortunately the majority of the time, the wild wild west was probably quite dull
Should really play Half Life Alyx, if you haven't if you really appreciate immersion makes RDR feel mundane.
Boo.
Such a dumb idea to have skip forward because the same button as crouch.
Not only is my guy for some reason crouching during this conversation but in trying to stand up I've accidentally skipped dialogue.
Not only is my guy for some reason crouching during this conversation but in trying to stand up I've accidentally skipped dialogue.
Some of the default keybinds are a bit daft. Why is F the action button?
is it representative of the shite show so far?
So my hunt to get an x box series x before the launch of this failed and I buckled and bought it for my Xbox S. The game content is interesting and fun but man, it looks like something you’d see on the Mega drive. It’s horrible. Things popping up out of nowhere, huge grainy blocky pixels, floating guns, invisible enemies, the constant loading screens and the damn crashing all the time.
It really seems like the old gen just doesn’t have the power to run it. I honestly can’t get over how bad the graphics are. It’s like doom or Duke Nukem. Feel like it misses out video dialogue or parts of the story at times and occasionally I’ve gotten a call and it’s two at the same time. So the cop lady and the dalsman taxi are speaking to me over the top of each other.
it really needs a lot of patching.
It really seems like the old gen just doesn’t have the power to run it. I honestly can’t get over how bad the graphics are. It’s like doom or Duke Nukem. Feel like it misses out video dialogue or parts of the story at times and occasionally I’ve gotten a call and it’s two at the same time. So the cop lady and the dalsman taxi are speaking to me over the top of each other.
it really needs a lot of patching.
I think that whilst the game is indeed vast, the biggest issue with last gen performance isn't so much the consoles themselves but the lack of optimization by CDPR. Like a lot of stuff in this game, due to pressure to release it, they had to just get it to "work".
I do wonder if the fact that on PC it doesn’t use the core of an AMD processor efficiently is linked to the base console experience? After all they are aging AMD Jaguar cores. The extra grunt on the PRO and X versions is provided by their respectively stronger GPUs
Took me a while to register what was happening at first I thought the fast forward effect was just part of being a cyber human
"Thank you for contacting PlayStation.
CD Projekt Red is currently working on patches and updates to fix bugs and crashes, and to improve overall gameplay experience of Cyberpunk 2077.
Please visit https://en.cdprojektred.com/ for information on any patches or updates to Cyberpunk 2077."
Absolute cnuts of the highest order, can't even reply to it!
I wouldn't really mind it sitting in the library until I get the ps5, but just the way they took everyone's money and fecked em' doesn't sit right with me.
To be honest I actually don’t think I have. The only other time I had similar trouble was Destiny where I’d have to clear my inventory out occasionally but it didn’t make me run slower luckily. I have to say I admire the attention to detail in that aspect of this game at least.It's been a core feature of RPGs for decades. It's less 'attention to detail', more 'genre staple'.
Yeah, that's pretty bad. You should say that you'll get the refund now and buy it again later after it's patched rather than wait a few months with a game you're not going to play until that happens. I reckon Sony will reverse their decision on this and allow refunds because it's getting to major news sites at the moment.
Also the game has no AI for crowds or traffic. And here I thought it just needed a patch.
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Are the PSN store's terms even legal? I'm a PS fanboy, but their return policy has always sat badly with me, say compared to PC storefronts.
I thought under EU law you were allowed digital refunds? Hence why steam had to start offering it. (It’s within 14 days or something)
I've sent a follow up to this explaining pretty much what you said. Will not be holding my breath nor any hope, though.
I only started buying digital content over the last year or so tbh and have never had to return anything. Having now experienced it gotta say it seems proper dodgy for the consumer. The moment you start download you're fecked, how's that fair? There could be so many issues that pop up.
https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/can-i-get-a-refund-on-a-digital-download
Wonder if this applicable?
Wonder if this applicable?
I've been digital since PS4 launch and never really had a problem with anything I've bought, but I'd be super pissed off if I had bought this for that and gotten that response, automated or no.
Be fecking ironic if Sony screw up their perceived advantage after the last generation due to unfair refund policy on a non-exclusive title. They've got to cave, surely?
They really are having a shit week. And it’s not gamers who wanted that game pulled, it was the CCP because there’s a meme that mocks XI Jinping.