If he is going to cost 40 mil euros, why not sign Di Maria for 10-15 mil more. I am not all convinced with this player even after the world cup that he is a top class player to warrant that price.
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Van Gaal on Cuadrado:
"I can't speak about Cuadrado, because if I'd say something about him, his price would increase".
No denial.
"I can't speak about Cuadrado, because if I'd say something about him, his price would increase".
No denial.
We definitely need one player who is absolutely rapid. And I don't think we should sacrifice technical ability. And that's a pretty rare combination. So if this guy has that I'm all for signing him.
Where are you going to play Mata, RvP, Rooney and Di Maria?
It seems this guy is absolutely perfect for the wing back role.
Would Barcelona not have bought Dani Alves if they had Ashley Young at right wingback?
Exactly. Ashley Young is an option at right wing back/right or left wing. We'd be silly to not pass up on someone we think right for the position because we have Ashley Young.
Besides-which Ashley Young is 29, learning a new role and can play either side. In fact he's said he prefers the left.
While Young has done well and for my money deserves to start over the likes of Rafael and Valencia, I dont think a top team would pass on a top player for their "specialist" position because a 29 year old had a good preseason.
If he keeps it up he'll be getting games whether we sign Cuadrado or not
While Young has done well and for my money deserves to start over the likes of Rafael and Valencia, I dont think a top team would pass on a top player for their "specialist" position because a 29 year old had a good preseason.
If he keeps it up he'll be getting games whether we sign Cuadrado or not
He is not worth £30m, it would be a waste of valuable funds.
Di Maria in the CM role he played for madrid or as a winger in a 4-3-3?
Exactly, which dumbasses would do that?!
Rodriguez and him were a joy to watch at the World cup. I hope you guys snatch him up before Barca, would hate seeing him there.
Him and Herrera in the CM role would be unbalanced IMO. We are also likely to play 5-3-2 more this season.
Agree with that, I would play him instead of Herrera if needed with a more combative AM. I was pointing out that we can give him 20 odd appearances this season by playing him as a CM,winger or even in the robben role in a 5-3-2. If our long term plan is to move to a 4-3-3 he really is too good to miss out due to one season of the squad being unbalanced.
Where is the article these quotes supposedly come from? I have seen nothing in the English press. If Van Gaal said something like that the Sun, The Mail, everyone would be running it.
Fair points tbh. Depends on what van gaal's strategy is long time. I definitely think he's gettable considering PSG's struggles to complete a deal for him.
Can’t say I know anything about the player beyond a youtube clip someone posted earlier. But from what I can tell it looks like he can dribble and take a man on which is something the team needs as we really don’t have too many players that actually do this currently. If he is quick as people are saying and can play RWB or further forward then I wouldn’t have to many issues with signing him. Whether he is worth the values being thrown about I have no idea though
He said that, but without reference to Cuadrado. He said something like, "I can't talk about players..."
So, really, Van Gaal said some generic stuff about transfers and someone decided he was talking about Cuadrado? Guess that's the internet for you...
That's how I read it. Apparently, he said it after the Liverpool game - he was not talking specific players though.
He would be great for us, but £30 million is a bit excessive.
Much more suited to LVG's system than ADM, in my opinion.
Much more suited to LVG's system than ADM, in my opinion.
That makes more sense. Especially as before the Roma game Van Gaal said he won't talk about individuals, especially those of another side eg Stootman. Strange these transfer comments weren't in the Sky interview I saw though. Maybe he spoke to someone else too?
True, if van gaal wants to play with wingbacks then cuadrado might just be a better fit.
You are right about him being pretty young and if need be his position can be changed but to me he seems a proper left back. A full back, that is. His crossing was quite ok last season if I remember correctly even if not great, the issue in his games so far for us is that he is playing wingback which is a lot different and you need genuine attacking instincts of a wide player which are not always present even in attacking fullbacks.
The same sorta issue happened with Roberto Carlos. One would think him being possibly the best attacking wingback of his generation he wouldn't have any trouble in having a more attack minded role, but at Inter he was played as a winger and struggled. A lot of attacking fullbacks rely on the winger to isolate the opposition fullback and create space for them to overlap. Moreover it is the element of surprise that gives them the edge going forward which is taken away when you are the sole wide presence. I think it can be improved, but at this point we don't even know if we will play this formation all the time. Van Gaal has talked of a 4-3-3 plenty of times and if we play that then there shouldn't be an issue with Shaw as a LB given we will have another wide player on that side. But he must improve his attacking game if he is to be a permanent wingback.
Then you don't know how good he is. He would fix a huge problem on that right side, more so if we stick to the 3-4-1-2 formation as he's got experience as a right wing back.
... that we are not spending anyway at the moment.
I've really dropped the 'let's not buy him because we might lack money for another signing' attitude. If he can improve us and is not a fecking striker, buy. It's not granted that, for example, if we buy Cuadrado then we won't buy Vidal ( we'll buy Vidal anyway but that's not the point ). We could be left empty-handed.
Plus hey, we're all hearing that we've got all the money in the world, that's it's not the problem, so instead of worrying and saving the money like a 8 year old kid saving for his first bike, let's give a chance for Woody to put his money where his mouth is.
Indeed. Cuadrado is a class player, it's probably a good thing for us that he didn't take his Serie A form to the World Cup otherwise his value would have increased by another 10m.
I'm pretty sure the club are well aware of what's available and wont buy one player without leaving enough money for any other they may want to bring in. This isn't Football Manager.
Got it from an Italian site ,could have got lost in translation .The Star are running with it ,which means it's nonsense.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...Louis-Van-Gaal-fears-Juan-Cuadrado-price-hike
I believe he is being misqouted.The below is what he said.
Rob Dawson @RobDawsonMEN · Aug 4
Van Gaal asked about players coming in. "I can not talk about players in the media. The price goes up."
he has played every position on the right from right back to winger. He also played attacking positions at the left.
I think he suits the 3-5-2 as well as a 4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1.
Would love to see him in our red shirt but of course CB and CM have priority!
I think he suits the 3-5-2 as well as a 4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1.
Would love to see him in our red shirt but of course CB and CM have priority!
It is not like his value is 10m and we would buy him for 30. He is worth something around that sum, who cares if we buy him for 20, 25 or 30m, at the end of the day he is versatile and would fit our playing style. He would improve us immensely with his pace and skills.
United already have the money, what they need are the players. Cuadrado is ace and would be a great buy so if I was Woodward it'd be a case of 'whatever it takes' (though not suggesting a Suarez-like figure) !
Those quotes have been edited. They were in the Express. Supposedly, that's what he said after the Liverpool game but this is what he actually said:
"I can not talk about players in the media because if I say something about other players, the price goes up."
LvG didn't mention anything about Cuadrado and the Express have taken his quotes and added Cuadrado to it. Daily Star have jumped on the bandwagon and used those quotes as well.
Cuadrado is superb. I'd be all for signing him, however, CM and CB are more pressing concerns right now.
Vidal > Hummels/Vermaelen > Cuadrado
Vidal > Hummels/Vermaelen > Cuadrado
Really don't understand these rumours, especially if we're going to play a 3-5-2. Granted he could possibly be a better option at right wing back than Rafael and Valencia, surely the 30M could go to a position of more priority?
I would never make that mistake on Football Manager.
Why is it one or the other? Spending £30m on Cuadrado wouldn't necessarily mean we won't spend on other positions.
I think Zaha is on his way out along with Nani, leaving us with Valencia and Young as the wingers playing as wing backs. Where Young has improved, Valencia still looks like a rabbit in headlights going forwards not the most convincing attacking threat even if he can get into the right positions.
Caudrado would add pace, intelligence and excitement to that area and Id be pretty confident goping forwards with Caudrado on one wing and Shaw/Young on the other.
because we'll be playing him in defence
It's not just Ashley Young though, we have 3 players all competing for that one spot , it just seems strange to add such an expensive player to a position we already have 3 options for.
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