Di Maria wants to go PSG by all accounts so not sure it's purely down to how much we offer. Also, cuadrado would be better suited to both LVG systems whereas I'm not sure ADM has got the left wingback role in his locker.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Ekeke
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Well Mourinho did send Di Maria to leftback once or twice. I think its more likely that Di Maria could actually play wingback than the likelyhood of Ashley Young being able to play wingback before preseason started
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I just don't want to end up with a flair type player that turns out to be inconsistent like Nani. I just think that LVG has the ability to coach players into roles that they may not have had previously. It's not like I just think Di Maria is better because he would be a marquee type signing because it's more about the work rate and reliability for me and ultimately what a player brings to a team. I just think while we are getting wingers (as LVG has alluded to getting in specialists for that position) let's see if we can get Di Maria for a bit more than him.Di Maria wants to go PSG by all accounts so not sure it's purely down to how much we offer. Also, cuadrado would be better suited to both LVG systems whereas I'm not sure ADM has got the left wingback role in his locker.
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Reports coming out of Italy are suggesting we have made a bid, make of that what you will.
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Well the Italian press have been so accurate so far this summer I see no reason not to believe it.Reports coming out of Italy are suggesting we have made a bid, make of that what you will.
PedroMendez
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would be mental to pay more than 30-35m.
Dante
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If Cuadrado really can play as lwb, we can shift Shaw to the sweeper role and not bother with Vermaelen.
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If Cuadrado really can play as lwb, we can shift Shaw to the sweeper role and not bother with Vermaelen.
Kind of wasting Shaw there though. Would rather he concentrate on learning his attacking role.
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Not worth his fee. Extremely overrated since the World Cup.
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Is £30 million + for a player where we have Rafael, Valencia and Young really needed? From what I've seen both in the World Cup and the necessary youtube clips, he seems to have a lot of attacking prowess, but this would mean little defensive ability, and I don't see the need for him ahead of a CB or CM to be honest. I would much rather we get those two positions sorted out before buying this guy.
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Is £30 million + for a player where we have Rafael, Valencia and Young really needed? From what I've seen both in the World Cup and the necessary youtube clips, he seems to have a lot of attacking prowess, but this would mean little defensive ability, and I don't see the need for him ahead of a CB or CM to be honest. I would much rather we get those two positions sorted out before buying this guy.
Rafael is constantly injured, Valencia is a bit crap and Young (while having a good pre-season) can't really be relied upon yet. I haven't seen enough of Cuadrado to know how good he is but it wouldn't be all that hard to be a better option than the three players you mentioned.
Agree that CB and CM are bigger priorities but I'd be astounded if we're going in for this guy at the cost of neglecting those positions. If this story is true then I'd imagine it isn't a case of either/or.
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Rafael is constantly injured, Valencia is a bit crap and Young (while having a good pre-season) can't really be relied upon yet. I haven't seen enough of Cuadrado to know how good he is but it wouldn't be all that hard to be a better option than the three players you mentioned.
Agree that CB and CM are bigger priorities but I'd be astounded if we're going in for this guy at the cost of neglecting those positions. If this story is true then I'd imagine it isn't a case of either/or.
There's no denying he would be better, but is it worth £30 million to replace those three with a player who is, quite frankly, not a natural wing back? If Rafael finally got over his injury woes then we wouldn't have to even think about this player, and if Young can actually make the wingback position his own, then again he won't be necessary. These are all hypotheticals of course, but I'd rather have the money go to someone who is stronger in defending than going forward in that position.
I would be astounded too if we don't, but last season was a prime example of chasing the wrong targets due to unavailability (Thiago chose Bayern and Pep, Fabregas wanted to stay) and left it late on Herrera (different stories on that one though) all to arrive at buying Fellaini for £4 million over. I'd really hope the focus is on those 2, and if they are obtained then put a lot of focus on a wing back.
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There's no denying he would be better, but is it worth £30 million to replace those three with a player who is, quite frankly, not a natural wing back? If Rafael finally got over his injury woes then we wouldn't have to even think about this player, and if Young can actually make the wingback position his own, then again he won't be necessary. These are all hypotheticals of course, but I'd rather have the money go to someone who is stronger in defending than going forward in that position.
I would be astounded too if we don't, but last season was a prime example of chasing the wrong targets due to unavailability (Thiago chose Bayern and Pep, Fabregas wanted to stay) and left it late on Herrera (different stories on that one though) all to arrive at buying Fellaini for £4 million over. I'd really hope the focus is on those 2, and if they are obtained then put a lot of focus on a wing back.
I don't think thats true.
He'd play at RWB when Rafa is consistently injured and frankly, when we do play 4-3-3 theres not many players worse than our wing options.
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I don't think thats true.
He'd play at RWB when Rafa is consistently injured and frankly, when we do play 4-3-3 theres not many players worse than our wing options.
If we were to revert to 4-3-3, then I would be more comfortable with us going for this guy, although I'm not sure that would give Januzaj much game time in doing so.
I think it's just me having visions of him turning into a Nani MKII: cracking season or two, then goes completely off the boil for some reason.
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Can this guy actually defend? I admit I haven't seen him outside of the world cup, looks a dangerous winger in his youtube clips but there's no evidence that he knows what he's doing defensively
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Well, both United and Barca are considering him as a wing back for a reason.Can this guy actually defend? I admit I haven't seen him outside of the world cup, looks a dangerous winger in his youtube clips but there's no evidence that he knows what he's doing defensively
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With Barca though, the emphasis is always going to be on attacking if he goes there. If you look at how far Dani Alves usually plays up the pitch for them you could hardly describe him as a right back, I imagine it would be the same with Cuadrado. I feel as though if we bought him we'd be expecting him to do more defensively than Barca would
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Knowing Barca they will try to convert him into a CB.
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If we can get another central midfielder, we should in general be playing on the front foot of virtually every match, meaning he won't need to defend as much. Besides, can Valencia defend? I don't think so. We've just played him there a few times because of his pace and stature but he isn't very good at it, can Cuadrado - a player a lot strong going forward - be any worse?With Barca though, the emphasis is always going to be on attacking if he goes there. If you look at how far Dani Alves usually plays up the pitch for them you could hardly describe him as a right back, I imagine it would be the same with Cuadrado. I feel as though if we bought him we'd be expecting him to do more defensively than Barca would
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If 3-5-2 is the plan for this season then I'd say he should be our no. 1 priority along with a center back.
He would also fit in as a right sided forward if Van Gaal wants to eventually transition to a 4-3-3.
He would also fit in as a right sided forward if Van Gaal wants to eventually transition to a 4-3-3.
If 3-5-2 is the plan for this season then I'd say he should be our no. 1 priority along with a center back.
He would also fit in as a right sided forward if Van Gaal wants to eventually transition to a 4-3-3.
Midfielder is more important I think.
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According to different sources in the Spanish press, barca don't want him anymore or he wants to join them and is willing to wait it out. I think it was mitten who said van gaal only wants players who want to come here so we can rule it out if that's the case.
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Shaw as sweeper?If Cuadrado really can play as lwb, we can shift Shaw to the sweeper role and not bother with Vermaelen.
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Considering the run around Hazard gives to proper defenders like Zabaleta, I cant imagine what damage he would do to this guy...
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The middle of the back 3. I think he'd be brilliant in that role. His biggest weakness at the moment is his crossing, which wouldn't be an issue in a back 3. He could be amazing with the freedom to start attacks from deep and you'd never catch him out with a bit of pressing. The lad's only 19... he doesn't have a nailed down position yet. This could be it. He just looks like more of a defender than an attacker to me.Shaw as sweeper?
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Except that is more technically gifted, faster, more consistent and puts in more defensive work.
Considering the run around Hazard gives to proper defenders like Zabaleta, I cant imagine what damage he would do to this guy...
In a traditional system with 4 at the back, yea I wouldn't play him as a RB. Just like I wouldn't dream of playing Young there either or Lingard for that matter. In a system with 5 at the back where he'd play as a RWB, no problem with it at all, no more than Young or Lingard.
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Wouldn't say he's more technically gifted, more intelligent though. Nani has buckets full of talent, just hasn't put it to good use since 2012.Except that is more technically gifted, faster, more consistent and puts in more defensive work.
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Except that is more technically gifted, faster, more consistent and puts in more defensive work.
No, not really. There are few players with more technical ability available to them than Nani. The fact that he hasn't got the brain or the stomach to actually use those gifts any more doesn't change that.
You're right about the other things though.
That's exactly what we were thinking when he had a stinker against Brazil (I think?). Kept trying stuff for absolutely no reason and giving the ball away. Obviously better than Nani, though...NaniV2 - Avoid at all costs
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We would think he may fit the system in this specific 3-4-3 formation.Do we think the interest is genuine?
Seems like everything depends who will leave United in upcoming days/weeks. Van Gaal's current decisions may prepare the team for arrival of a few more additions.
No, not really. There are few players with more technical ability available to them than Nani. The fact that he hasn't got the brain or the stomach to actually use those gifts any more doesn't change that.
You're right about the other things though.
Well there are few players that have more technical ability than Cuadrado aswell. Whenever I've seen him play his style of football reminds me a little bit of Ronaldinho in fact (when he is dribbling that is). The one thing I'll give people who criticise him is that like Nani he is often not really effective with it and sometimes just doesn't know what he is doing really, gives him the lable of a headless chicken, yet Nani is like way worse in that respect. In fact the way I see him he is the perfect mix between Nani and Valencia combining both players strenghts and actually being better in some of them than the respective players(like he is even faster than Valencia and has more technical ability than Nani). I'am not going to say he is the perfect player, far from because he also has some clear flaws, but alot less than for example Nani and Valencia and he is more allround and talented than both, that is way Naniv2 just doesn't make any sense at all for me. I think this guy is a very good player and I'd be happy to have him in our team as RW or RWB.
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With the resurgence of Young and the fact TBT is Teflon I can't see this one happening, it kind of feels like Fiorentina are using us to jack the price up for Barca.
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I would never buy him to play wingback. He doesn't look or play like a defender and he's not really a fan of playing a disciplined position, or passing for that matter.
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He played as a wingback for Udinese as far back as 2009 according to Wikipedia.
On what basis do people doubt that he can defend? A few matches as an out and out winger at the World Cup?
On what basis do people doubt that he can defend? A few matches as an out and out winger at the World Cup?
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