Cristiano Ronaldo

El Zoido said:
How much would he cost? £50m? £60m?

The idea of essentially giving him to Madrid for his 6 best years, then only getting him back when he's past his best really rankles me to be honest. We'd basically have loaned him to Madrid for nothing and when they've got his best years out of him we get the sloppy seconds. Let PSG have him as their poster boy for a couple of years.
Click to expand...

Whilst sloppy seconds is maybe a bit strong I tend to agree with you, we developed him and got some wonderful stuff out of him, but Madrid got the best years no question, whilst it may be a gentle decline the only way is down for him now.

Madrid will be laughing at us if we give them anything like their money back. I know it won't happen but £40 million would seem about right to me if we are serious about this, and DDG is not even mentioned.
 
JaffyJoe said:
His best days are behind him
Click to expand...
How can you know that if there are no other ones like him to compare?

Even if he were to decline or is already in decline, we're talking about the second best player in the world, he'd probably still be by far our best player for the most of his potential contract.

JaffyJoe said:
Ronaldo doesn't bring that anymore.
Click to expand...
I disagree, Cristiano is still a beast, but obviously just buying him won't solve all our problems, buying Messi wouldn't either. Doesn't mean that we shouldn't be over them if they become available.
 
Mutter Merkel said:
Wow that's a spoilt bunch of fans. Talk about pathetic. One of them even said Suarez and Neymar were better than Ronaldo last season... Another said he's a liability when he doesn't score. Are you kidding me? :lol: This just demonstrates how awful Real Madrid fans are, to be honest.
Click to expand...
Even though most of them are terrible fans, they're in a better position to assess his value than you, because they're actually watching him week in week out. Watch him play and you'll see that what they're saying is not that stupid.
Bwuk said:
Ronaldo would probably hit like 40 goals in all comps, yet people don't want him back?

Does not compute.
Click to expand...
He scored only 26 goals in all competitions in his last season with us, when he was much closer to his peak than he is right now, and when we had a better team and manager. He will not score 40+ goals a season with United if he joins us next season. Time to wake up.
dannyrhinos89 said:
Still can't believe people wouldn't have him back here.

Why do any of you care if we pay £50 million for him? The money is no issue for a club like ours. All I know is we would be getting a player that's still one of the best in the world. What I care about the huge lift his presence in the squad will give the team.

I said in other thread to those that don't want him I'm sure you'll all change your tune when he's out top scorer and scoring a healthy amount of goals.
Click to expand...
Of course, except it's an "if" not "when" for us, which is our point. We don't think he's gonna bang the goals like he did for Real last year, and we think it's not going to get any better with time.

We all want the lively active old Ronaldo who played for us 7 years ago, but for the people who watch him regularly nowadays, he's no longer that player. It's not just about "the lack of goals this season", it's more about the way he's been scoring goals for the last 1-2 years. They're quite different from the way he was destroying the opposition a few years back. Even his freekicks have deteriorated significantly.

Having said that, very few people (if any) "don't want him". Most here, including me, just think he's not worth 60m pounds next Summer, unless he shows something different in the coming months than what we saw in the last year.
 
Spielmacher said:
we're talking about the second best player in the world
Click to expand...
That's actually part of the problem. We'll pay for the second best player in the world, but we won't be getting the second best player in the world.

It's kind of what Madrid did with Kaka after he won the Ballon d'Or. They also bought the "best player in the world", but everybody who was watching him closely knew that was a disaster deal for Madrid. In the end they just wasted 65m down the drain.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Ronaldo, on current form, doesn't make the top 3 imo.
Click to expand...
I haven't seen much of him this season. What is this current form everyone's talking about? Reading this thread some posters make it sound like his form has dropped off a cliff, yet he's scored 13 in all comps.
 
Sied said:
I haven't seen much of him this season. What is this current form everyone's talking about? Reading this thread some posters make it sound like his form has dropped off a cliff, yet he's scored 13 in all comps.
Click to expand...
He has dropped off a cliff -- those goals distort the fact that his ratio is slipping, no longer more than a goal a game, or even a goal a game. He has failed to score more times this season than I can remember since about 2007 or something.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
He has dropped off a cliff -- those goals distort the fact that his ratio is slipping, no longer more than a goal a game, or even a goal a game. He has failed to score more times this season than I can remember since about 2007 or something.
Click to expand...
He's become a deadly box player these days, he reinvented himself last year and relies on his teammates a lot more. Is it a coincidence his rate has dropped off when the club is in crisis mode?
This is no different than Fabregas or Hazard this year, Remember a while back when people claim Messi was on the decline? About how he lost that instant acceleration he had and now he's only about the goals. He doesn't excite like he did before.
Those were good times
 
cyberman said:
He's become a deadly box player these days, he reinvented himself last year and relies on his teammates a lot more. Is it a coincidence his rate has dropped off when the club is in crisis mode?
This is no different than Fabregas or Hazard this year, Remember a while back when people claim Messi was on the decline? About how he lost that instant acceleration he had and now he's only about the goals. He doesn't excite like he did before.
Those were good times
Click to expand...
Yeah, but Messi wasn't 31.
 
Sied said:
I haven't seen much of him this season. What is this current form everyone's talking about? Reading this thread some posters make it sound like his form has dropped off a cliff, yet he's scored 13 in all comps.
Click to expand...
The stats doesn't tell the whole story. Probably the stat most people are talking about is him actually failing to score in 9 of the last 13 matches (8 of those 13 goals came in 2 games), but the problem for the people who watch him regularly are not only the lack of goals, but the way he was scoring goals even last season (mainly penalties and tap-ins). He's not doing the things that he used to do a few years back.
 
fishfingers15 said:
He's playing under Rafa. This season does not count.
Click to expand...
He was the same last year. The only difference is the team isn't creating enough for him. He's incredibly reliant on his teammates. That’s why I’d take each of Barca front three ahead of him.

It's very naive to expect him to score as many as he did for Madrid. They have much, much better attacking/creative players.
 
Borys said:
It's very naive to expect him to score as many as he did for Madrid. They have much, much better attacking/creative players.
Click to expand...
Ignoring everything other element a Ronaldo debate will throw up, this really is the key point. A side stacked to the brim with talent and Ronaldo is still looks far from his best, yet people assume if he comes here - a side that struggle to create more than 10 chances per game (which puts us 15th, according to my commentator of the Waford match) - he will destroy the Premier League and lead us to trophies again?
 
DWelbz19 said:
Ignoring everything other element a Ronaldo debate will throw up, this really is the key point. A side stacked to the brim with talent and Ronaldo is still looks far from his best, yet people assume if he comes here - a side that struggle to create more than 10 chances per game (which puts us 15th, according to my commentator of the Waford match) - he will destroy the Premier League and lead us to trophies again?
Click to expand...
The front line of Madrid have been woeful this year. He's been feeding on scraps. We have worked Lingard into better goal scoring positions this year than Madrid have Ronaldo.
Im shocked that having to create chances for Ronaldo to score instead of having him blitz teams on his own is being used against him here. We wouldn't sign a player outside of Barcelona's front 3 if we're have to suffer the horror of actually supplying our striker to score goals.
 
I am not sure why people think Madrid's attack is amazing. It was two years ago, but Bale's been dreadful for well over a season, Benzema has issues off the field at the moment, and James isn't playing at the moment. When they're all on their game, then they're of course very good, as they demonstrated two years ago, but if a team is dysfunctional it's very difficult to look good no matter who you are.

Benitez is not the right man for that Real Madrid job, and we all knew he wasn't when he was appointed, so there's probably a good amount of unrest in the dressing room, too, which only compounds the problem. When you have a bunch of egos sulking, performances on the pitch will plummet.
 
cyberman said:
The front line of Madrid have been woeful this year. He's been feeding on scraps. We have worked Lingard into better goal scoring positions this year than Madrid have Ronaldo.
Im shocked that having to create chances for Ronaldo to score instead of having him blitz teams on his own is being used against him here. We wouldn't sign a player outside of Barcelona's front 3 if we're have to suffer the horror of actually supplying our striker to score goals.
Click to expand...

He's not been feeding on scraps, he just isn't finishing chances he'd have taken last season. Even on Saturday he missed two big chances that he'd have slotted away with ease last season.

He's shooting more times per game (6.95) than he did last season (6.30). So either he's getting as many chances or he's fecking up their attack himself with his selfishness.

Some people are in denial. Poor run of form rather than permanent decline? Possibly, but the amount of false excuses around is just wrong.
 
antsmithmk said:
I would argue the exact opposite.

Robben goes missing in games, something you can never label at Ronnie.
Click to expand...

Ronaldo goes missing plenty. These days, he's next to useless in the rare games he doesn't score in. Scoring is pretty much his only contribution now, without that he doesn't affect games.
 
cyberman said:
The front line of Madrid have been woeful this year. He's been feeding on scraps. We have worked Lingard into better goal scoring positions this year than Madrid have Ronaldo.

Im shocked that having to create chances for Ronaldo to score instead of having him blitz teams on his own is being used against him here. We wouldn't sign a player outside of Barcelona's front 3 if we're have to suffer the horror of actually supplying our striker to score goals.
Click to expand...
The question is- is it worth buying 30+ player who is an excellent finisher but does nothing else for the team? Or is it better to play Martial up top and sign some wide players who can contribute with goals and assists and help the team play some good football?

It’s not a rhetorical question, I don’t know the answer but the option 2 seems much more exciting to me. Signing Ronaldo doesn’t guarantee us success with the current squad anyway.

Mutter Merkel said:
I am not sure why people think Madrid's attack is amazing. It was two years ago, but Bale's been dreadful for well over a season, Benzema has issues off the field at the moment, and James isn't playing at the moment. When they're all on their game, then they're of course very good, as they demonstrated two years ago, but if a team is dysfunctional it's very difficult to look good no matter who you are.

Benitez is not the right man for that Real Madrid job, and we all knew he wasn't when he was appointed, so there's probably a good amount of unrest in the dressing room, too, which only compounds the problem. When you have a bunch of egos sulking, performances on the pitch will plummet.
Click to expand...
Yeah, that’s also the reason why Ronnie was pretty damn good (stats-wise) until this season. They really shouldn’t get rid of Ancelotti.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
He's not been feeding on scraps, he just isn't finishing chances he'd have taken last season. Even on Saturday he missed two big chances that he'd have slotted away with ease last season.

He's shooting more times per game (6.95) than he did last season (6.30). So either he's getting as many chances or he's fecking up their attack himself with his selfishness.
Some people are in denial. Poor run of form rather than permanent decline? Possibly, but the amount of false excuses around is just wrong.
Click to expand...

Boils down to who's been watching him weekly and who hasn't. It's telling that the resident RM fans are the ones getting frustrated the most with his performances this season, and some since last season, yet you get posters here saying that he's still flexible to play various roles on the field.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
He's not been feeding on scraps, he just isn't finishing chances he'd have taken last season. Even on Saturday he missed two big chances that he'd have slotted away with ease last season.

He's shooting more times per game (6.95) than he did last season (6.30). So either he's getting as many chances or he's fecking up their attack himself with his selfishness.

Some people are in denial. Poor run of form rather than permanent decline? Possibly, but the amount of false excuses around is just wrong.
Click to expand...
He's not being worked into positions at all. He's shooting more from silly angles now because of this.
The point of the two chances on Saturday is that he was still good enough to get into those positions. This goes against the liability narrative of his movement and pace nullifying his goal threat. Add in the pen he should have got when he outmanoeuvred Alves who dragged him down and got away with it.
The absolute fact is that the players feel the managers tactics have completely nullified their attack. Senior players confronted Benitez about this and this is why he went too attacking last Saturday. That is a fact. Not one player slowing everything down, it's the style of play.
This is what makes it difficult for me to accept this is all down to Ronaldo magically losing everything that made him special.
 
Borys said:
He was the same last year. The only difference is the team isn't creating enough for him. He's incredibly reliant on his teammates. That’s why I’d take each of Barca front three ahead of him.

It's very naive to expect him to score as many as he did for Madrid. They have much, much better attacking/creative players.
Click to expand...

I'd take the Barcelona three as well, but they aren't available though?
 
cyberman said:
He's not being worked into positions at all. He's shooting more from silly angles now because of this.
The point of the two chances on Saturday is that he was still good enough to get into those positions. This goes against the liability narrative of his movement and pace nullifying his goal threat. Add in the pen he should have got when he outmanoeuvred Alves who dragged him down and got away with it.
The absolute fact is that the players feel the managers tactics have completely nullified their attack. Senior players confronted Benitez about this and this is why he went too attacking last Saturday. That is a fact. Not one player slowing everything down, it's the style of play.
This is what makes it difficult for me to accept this is all down to Ronaldo magically losing everything that made him special.
Click to expand...

Firstly, if he's shooting more from silly angles that's a stick to beat him with. He shouldn't be so obsessed with personal goal records and should start playing for the team. Even players like Modrić and Isco have berated him lately because of his refusal to play in better placed players.

R.e. squandering good chances. It's been happening a lot this season. Which is fine, you can't expect players to have perfect finishing at all times, but let's not pretend that he hasn't had plenty of chances.
 
cyberman said:
Neither is Ronaldo but his age shouldn't be immediately thrown in his face when going through a poor run of form.
How many goals has he scored this calender year? in his 30s?
Click to expand...
31 in February -- decline is natural, and I think this is the start of his decline.
 
Borys said:
The question is- is it worth buying 30+ player who is an excellent finisher but does nothing else for the team? Or is it better to play Martial up top and sign some wide players who can contribute with goals and assists and help the team play some good football?

It’s not a rhetorical question, I don’t know the answer but the option 2 seems much more exciting to me. Signing Ronaldo doesn’t guarantee us success with the current squad anyway.


Yeah, that’s also the reason why Ronnie was pretty damn good (stats-wise) until this season. They really shouldn’t get rid of Ancelotti.
Click to expand...
But Ronaldo turns every half chance into goals. As hard as this is to say, a player who scores every half chance that comes this way would be perfect for our style of play right now.
The marauding winger who takes chance after chance has no place in our system. A wide man who scores 20+ goals would be a huge advantage. This allows another goal scoring striker to remain down the middle and lets us keep our shape.
I keep coming back to Lingard but he has had 4/5 excellent chances since the Manchester derby and has only scored 1. Thats 4/5 excellent chances in a fairly blunt attack, a player who hasn't an ounce of the movement or finishing ability that Ronaldo has.
Who do we sign if not Ronaldo? Madrid will be looking to replace Ronaldo and maybe Benzema so they would be in the same market as us.
Remember this when people casually throw out Grizeman as an alternative, a player who is heavily linked with a summer move to them.
Reus? Will he ever leave Dortmund? When will his injuries come back and bite him?
Anderson? Mane?
Madrid being in the market for the same players is a huge talking point that nobody is considering.
 
K2K said:
I will be happy when he does go to PSG. It means that the ' Ronaldo is coming home fantasy' will finally die.

I think Madrid need to get rid of both Ronaldo and Perez. Which other candidates are they for president except Calderon?
Click to expand...

Let´s see how long it takes to Di Maria to say that his Community manager wrote without his consent.
About the candidates, it depends if they change the statutes in the upcoming trial . Surely there will be many bigwigs and hopefully some candidature with ex players.
Florentino often say that thanks to him Madrid didn´t fall into the hands of a foreign conglomerate. If there are changes of statutes could also happen
 
cyberman said:
But Ronaldo turns every half chance into goals. As hard as this is to say, a player who scores every half chance that comes this way would be perfect for our style of play right now.
The marauding winger who takes chance after chance has no place in our system. A wide man who scores 20+ goals would be a huge advantage. This allows another goal scoring striker to remain down the middle and lets us keep our shape.
I keep coming back to Lingard but he has had 4/5 excellent chances since the Manchester derby and has only scored 1. Thats 4/5 excellent chances in a fairly blunt attack, a player who hasn't an ounce of the movement or finishing ability that Ronaldo has.
Who do we sign if not Ronaldo? Madrid will be looking to replace Ronaldo and maybe Benzema so they would be in the same market as us.
Remember this when people casually throw out Grizeman as an alternative, a player who is heavily linked with a summer move to them.
Reus? Will he ever leave Dortmund? When will his injuries come back and bite him?
Anderson? Mane?
Madrid being in the market for the same players is a huge talking point that nobody is considering.
Click to expand...
But does Ronaldo even want to return to United? Other than whisper into the ear of the PSG coach's ear, not really much to feed this transfer hysteria. If given a choice , Ronaldo might choose elsewhere.

Of course you'll bring up how big United are, the shirt sales and all that. Players dont seem to care about that.

This Ronaldo thing is rather sad to be honest.Every year, its the same thing, self torture with people believing he'll be back. From his comments, he shows that he appreciates his time here, but he's moved on. We are like the dumped bf still stalking an ex-gf's instagram photos, hoping for her to take us back.
 
Now Marca writes that Di María account has been usurped. I guess that you can continue dreaming about his return :D
 
K2K said:
But does Ronaldo even want to return to United? Other than whisper into the ear of the PSG coach's ear, not really much to feed this transfer hysteria. If given a choice , Ronaldo might choose elsewhere.

Of course you'll bring up how big United are, the shirt sales and all that. Players dont seem to care about that.

This Ronaldo thing is rather sad to be honest.Every year, its the same thing, self torture with people believing he'll be back. From his comments, he shows that he appreciates his time here, but he's moved on. We are like the dumped bf still stalking an ex-gf's instagram photos, hoping for her to take us back.
Click to expand...
Tell me about it.
K2K said:
I will be happy when he does go to PSG. It means that the ' Ronaldo is coming home fantasy' will finally die.

I think Madrid need to get rid of both Ronaldo and Perez. Which other candidates are they for president except Calderon?
Click to expand...
It will never die, even if he retires. 7 years and they still haven't got over it.
 
K2K said:
But does Ronaldo even want to return to United? Other than whisper into the ear of the PSG coach's ear, not really much to feed this transfer hysteria. If given a choice , Ronaldo might choose elsewhere.

Of course you'll bring up how big United are, the shirt sales and all that. Players dont seem to care about that.

This Ronaldo thing is rather sad to be honest.Every year, its the same thing, self torture with people believing he'll be back. From his comments, he shows that he appreciates his time here, but he's moved on. We are like the dumped bf still stalking an ex-gf's instagram photos, hoping for her to take us back.
Click to expand...
We are in no way like a jilted girlfriend. We are discussing a possible transfer here, this isn't some pie in the sky fantasy.
Ronaldo has said he would be open to a return, LVG confirms we are looking into the possibility and its odds on he will leave Madrid this summer.
People need to forget that he has already played for us, that should have no bearing on what he would bring to us if we did sign him again.
 
Adisa said:
Feck.
How much do you think you guys will ask for him?
Click to expand...

I have no idea , I guess it depends on many factors , I would say between 90-110 million euros, for the commercial value.
The price could include Verratti , any preferential clause for Rabiot ..
 
carvajal said:
I have no idea , I guess it depends on many factors , I would say between 90-110 million euros, for the commercial value.
The price could include Verratti , any preferential clause for Rabiot ..
Click to expand...
Any team that pays that needs their heads checked.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.