Indeed, I agree with you in principle but, Sneijder played well enough to deserve the Ballon D'Or in 2010. This is the point I was making earlier. Many posters think Sneijder deserved it more than Messi, and perhaps they are not wrong, but by the same token, they also think Ronaldo would have won it 5 times on the bounce. Why? Sneijder was the better player perhaps, he inspired Inter Milan to success and he played well in the World Cup. If Messi hadn't been there then it would have been a very close call between Sneijder, Ronaldo and Iniesta, and it wouldn't have been a landslide victory, that is for sure.
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Indeed, I agree with you in principle but, Sneijder played well enough to deserve the Ballon D'Or in 2010. This is the point I was making earlier. Many posters think Sneijder deserved it more than Messi, and perhaps they are not wrong, but by the same token, they also think Ronaldo would have won it 5 times on the bounce. Why? Sneijder was the better player perhaps, he inspired Inter Milan to success and he played well in the World Cup. If Messi hadn't been there then it would have been a very close call between Sneijder, Ronaldo and Iniesta, and it wouldn't have been a landslide victory, that is for sure.
So, meanwhile, somewhere in Madrid, it looks like the big two - Marca and AS have either been briefed or they've noticed that sales go up when Ronaldo's on the cover. Either way he is definitely flavour of the month.
Even attempts to get a Falcao + Bale bandwagon going haven't inspired their readers as much as the idea that Ronaldo might not renew his contract.
Here's Di Stefano adding his 2 pesetas, and you know it's getting serious when that happens:
"Most people during their childhood look for a role model to look up to. They choose those around them or those who, despite their distance, dazzle with their indomitable spirit, ability or energy, as is the case with Cristiano Ronaldo. He dazzled me once again during Sunday's game against Real Sociedad.
Cristiano is a role model for both young and old. Thanks to his talent, with what he does, he shouts so loudly that you cannot hear what he says. It could be said that actions speak louder than words.
I love his determination. He never gives up. That essential perseverance that helps everyone achieve their dreams. Enough decisive things have happened already for me to say that I'm sure he's an excellent role model to follow.
Although life goes on, the rivers flows and the birds migrate, we'll always have the tireless Cristiano and his goals in a Real Madrid shirt. We now know that Cristiano Ronaldo's relationship with Real Madrid must be a solid one. That's why I also back the campaign to ensure that he stays. It would be unnatural not to."
Even attempts to get a Falcao + Bale bandwagon going haven't inspired their readers as much as the idea that Ronaldo might not renew his contract.
Here's Di Stefano adding his 2 pesetas, and you know it's getting serious when that happens:
"Most people during their childhood look for a role model to look up to. They choose those around them or those who, despite their distance, dazzle with their indomitable spirit, ability or energy, as is the case with Cristiano Ronaldo. He dazzled me once again during Sunday's game against Real Sociedad.
Cristiano is a role model for both young and old. Thanks to his talent, with what he does, he shouts so loudly that you cannot hear what he says. It could be said that actions speak louder than words.
I love his determination. He never gives up. That essential perseverance that helps everyone achieve their dreams. Enough decisive things have happened already for me to say that I'm sure he's an excellent role model to follow.
Although life goes on, the rivers flows and the birds migrate, we'll always have the tireless Cristiano and his goals in a Real Madrid shirt. We now know that Cristiano Ronaldo's relationship with Real Madrid must be a solid one. That's why I also back the campaign to ensure that he stays. It would be unnatural not to."
The law of averages doesn't quite work with this. Ronaldo would be the only guy getting votes on the back of Real performances, while Barca's have been split threeways. Even with Spain doing so well, the moment you are going to vote for Xavi/Iniesta you would go, well, but Messi...
It's similar to how we had the Treble Team not getting individual honours because they got split across Beckham, Giggs, Keane... If you took Beckham out of the equation, it is more likely that his votes go to Giggs/Keane and not a player from aother team, even if higher ranked and favoured by the "law of averages"
You can't realistically argue Ronaldo would get the award five years on the trot without picking a CL or international tourno at all along the way. It's just not bloody likely.
2010 would have been between Sneidjer, Xavi and Iniesta - it was the year when "teams" won the big trophies, so it would have been about celebrating that.
It's still a little shocking that Spain could be so dominant in international football for the past 6 years and yet still doesn't have a Ballon D'Or. So let's say in a Messi-less world Ronaldo would just have won 3 of the last 5, leaving a little more room to reward Spain's extraordinary success and Inter's treble.
It's still a little shocking that Spain could be so dominant in international football for the past 6 years and yet still doesn't have a Ballon D'Or. So let's say in a Messi-less world Ronaldo would just have won 3 of the last 5, leaving a little more room to reward Spain's extraordinary success and Inter's treble.
Exactly!! Sneijder won the Serie A, Coppa D'Italia and the Champions League in that year, whereas Ronaldo won nothing of note. Messi won the La Liga. So, if there was one player who should have got the votes, it has to be Sneijder and not Messi or Ronaldo. As for the individual honours, I agree, how on earth did Rivaldo get the Ballon D'Or with only 23 goals from 50 appearances? Did he do anything remotely special compared to our treble side?
He played for Barcelona, is that not special enough for you?
Meaning??
I just love seeing those long-range shots in. They create this "ffuuuuckk..ing hell..." moment and feeling. It was the first reason I fell in love with Scholes. And Ronaldo is just the best striker in that aspect.
Of course, score by dribbling is nice to see, from aesthetically point of view. But for the adrenaline rush, long-range shot is hard to be topped.
Of course, score by dribbling is nice to see, from aesthetically point of view. But for the adrenaline rush, long-range shot is hard to be topped.
Juninho was the king as far as long range shots were concerned. The goalkeeper could be Oliver Kahn, Casillas whoever. He has beat them all from 40 yards. He was the greatest!!!
I refer you to my post about Sneijder since he has been conveniently forgotten.
That's why I wrote "may well have". You can never be sure about what might have happened (would Europe live under Nazi rule today had Hitler not invaded Russia?) and the shout for Sneijder in 2010 is a decent one. But Ronaldo was also insane that season (49 goals in 54 games...though no treble). True, Ronaldo was not on the three man short list in 2010 but neither was Sneijder.
My research says that Ronaldo came in second in 2007 (to Kaka), won it in 2008, was second in 2009, was not in the last three in 2010, was second in 2011 and second in 2012.
Sneider, according to my research, has never been in the top three for the Gold Ball. He had an incredible 2010 and he should be given due credit for that amazing calendar year, but there's a good reason he's been "conveniently forgotten" -- he's just nowhere near the class of Messi and Ronaldo.
I stand by my statement that but for the existence of Messi, Ronaldo "may well have" won 4, maybe 5, Ballon d'Ors by now.
It's an idividual award. Not a team award. The only way to guess who would win it if Messi isn't there is to assume it would go to the man wih the net most amount of votes.
The Treble thing doesn't make sense. It goes to who people think is the best player. Take Beckham away and maybe that persons vote goes to Ginola.
Pep snubbed him at the awards
Precisely.
Individual awards usually go to players on great teams, but those teams are usually great because of at least one great player who at least is considered for a top individual award. Not always, but there's usually one genius in a truly great team.
Ronaldo has been second, so it appears, every season since 2007 except for 2008, when he won it, and 2010, when he was not in the top three. That was the crazy 2010 Barcelona when it had THREE top three Gold Ball finalists, which was a bit of a joke IMHO all things considered.
You can't be sure Ronaldo would have pushed himself as hard as he did with Messi doing the things he did, but if we can make that assumption and if you look just at the cold hard fact that Ronaldo has won it once and came in second thrice to Messi, it's hard to escape the conclusion that but for Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo would have won the Ballon D'Or (and its predecessor, FIFA World POY) four times. Not too shabby.
Juninho was the king as far as long range shots were concerned. The goalkeeper could be Oliver Kahn, Casillas whoever. He has beat them all from 40 yards. He was the greatest!!!
I thought he's more free-kick specialist. Agree that he WAS the greatest.
I love his style and a player doesn't have to be the best to be admired he just has to be good at what he does and Ronaldo is damn good at the beautiful game
Ouch. Is there something that Pep has to be particularly upset about regarding Ronaldo? He is such a nice guy, seems a bit out of character for him to do that.
A free-kick could be considered as a free shot on goal. He was absolutely magnificent and revolutionised the way players hit the ball.
Guardiola is a cnut,a lot of the players/staff from who seem nice really are cnuts
I like how Pep Guardiola is a 'nice guy' be default. He seems nice and fair, but could well be harbouring some grudges. Guardiola snubs Ronaldo, so there must be something Ronaldo did to make Guardiola act that way?
I like how Pep Guardiola is a 'nice guy' be default. He seems nice and fair, but could well be harbouring some grudges. Guardiola snubs Ronaldo, so there must be something Ronaldo did to make Guardiola act that way?
You're essentially repeating my point.
My question is more along the lines of if there were any incidents between the pair that were on the news/media in the past (that I may have missed).
How did you know he's a cnut? Because he snubbed Ronaldo?
You're essentially repeating my point.
My question is more along the lines of if there were any incidents between the pair that were on the news/media in the past (that I may have missed).
Well, in a way yes, but what I'm saying is Guardiola may not be the nice guy after all. I don't know for sure coz I'm not friends with him.
To be fair, it could have been a small incident blown out of proportion, but it did seem a cnutish thing to do, and I was surprised that you quickly termed him a nice guy and looked for a reason why he would do that.
All pedantic anyway, nothing to see here. Carry on.
Why do you write cnut as 'cnut'? Because you don't swear? And are you protector of all things Barcelona? It seems none of us can say anything against Barcelona
No offense.
Can anyone write time in that video where Ronaldo even offered him handshake?
Some people don't even bother to watch the video properly before posting, they just buy whatever they read. Ronaldo just taps his shoulders, nothing more. That evenn looks like he first accidently touched him with his elbow, and by taping his shoulder he apologized to him.
If that video is called "Ronaldo elbowed guardiola", many people would say that Ronaldo is cnut too, without even bothering to watch it.
Some people don't even bother to watch the video properly before posting, they just buy whatever they read. Ronaldo just taps his shoulders, nothing more. That evenn looks like he first accidently touched him with his elbow, and by taping his shoulder he apologized to him.
If that video is called "Ronaldo elbowed guardiola", many people would say that Ronaldo is cnut too, without even bothering to watch it.
You want me to answer the question or you are going to do it for me ?
He was a cnut the day he failed a drug test.My opinion has gotten nothing to do with the Ballon d'Or gala
Okay..
I thought we were talking about his relations with other people.. Pep has been (so far at least) one of the most humble managers in the world, and he's always been nice and respectable in his comments about other people, even the people he had problems with, which is what I liked most about him.. I haven't actually heard him even criticize a ref..
On the otherhand, Mourinho is a decent chap for snubbing the Award ceremony two years in a row. Perhaps it really is because he is an anti-social cnut. I am not defending Guardiola here, if Ronaldo had offered his hand then Guardiola is a cnut, but let us not get things out of proportion here. If there was an award for cnutish manager of the year, Mourinho would be winning hands down every single year.
Nobody's denying that Mourinho is a cnut Lyon. He's arrogant and often behaves like a twat. But there's absolutely no connection to Mourinho in this post at all.
I've seen Kouroux's posts and he's hardly a Real Madrid supporter. You don't really expect him to post 'Guardiola maybe a cnut, but so is Mourinho' here? You are not defending Guardiola, but somehow you feel it's appropriate to mention Mourinho.
It was very clear in 1998/99 that Rivaldo was a class above everybody else. From a purely statistical view (which seems to be the in-vogue measurement of performance on the Caf), his 29 goals in 48 games from attacking midfield was mightily impressive. Particularly in the context of a season (and an era) when the top scorer in the Premiership notched 18 while Serie A's most frequent onion-bag-nestler hit 22.
He was excellent for club, both domestically and in the Champions League, and country. Outstanding at the Copa America where he overshadowed a peak Ronaldo and one of the few players (in a non-Euro/WC year) who enhanced their reputation internationally in 1999. Barcelona had the misfortune of getting drawn in the toughest Champions League group in the competition's history, alongside finalists Bayern Munich and Manchester United. And despite their comparatively shoddy defence, largely thanks to Rivaldo they came within touching distance of knocking United out (see the 3-3 match in Camp Nou).
The award from 1999 that United players can feel justifiably annoyed at not receiving was the domestic player of the year award that Ginola won.
Two years ago during that 5-0 loss, Ronaldo was a little rough when the ball went out of play and Guardiola kept a hold of it on the sidelines.
He seems a bit of a woman this guy, Ibrahimovic said as much about his character.
Mourinho is a much bigger cnut than Guardiola overall, I have no "allegiance" with any of them.Criticizing one doesn't mean I can't criticize the other.
Maybe you were baiting me into defending Mourinho
Why do any of you care that he Guardiola didn't shake Ronaldo's hand? If Sir Alex did that to Gerrard for example I'm almost positive most of you would find it hilarious.
Difference being that Fergie wouldn't do that.
I'm not so sure. If a player pushed him like Ronaldo pushed Pep I'm not so sure Sir Alex would forget and just put it behind him.
Point is, IF he did it no one here would care. It's a hand shake, not a big deal at all.
I agree with Amar. Looks like he's just acknowledged the accidental nudge.
I think that it is FC Barca who has turned me against Pep. He is so far up Pep's arse that he think that Pep shits golden eggs of holy virtue.
'boo hoo managing the best squad in the history of football for millions of Euros a year is so bad, the pressure is really getting me down boo hoo'
Pep can kiss my arse.
Pretty sure Fergie doesn't like Benitez. Still shakes his hand after a match.
Couldn't have put it any better.
@ ProudLyon: "only" 23 goals?
I stand corrected since it was 29 from 48 matches and not 23 from 50, since this was the season after.
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