Cristiano Ronaldo

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Sarni said:
He wouldn't cost £80m at 28. He's reliant on pace and physical attributes which means he won't keep it going for much longer once he's past 30. You'd essentially be paying that money for certain 3-4 years of very good service which is fine but not worth £80m. Real had bought him when he was 24 and already better than anyone bar Messi - it was obvious they'd have to pay close to that figure. Over 8 years they could easily get out of him he'd cost them £10m plus wages per year which is a decent enough price for a player of his talent. Bought at 28 he'd be about £20m plus wages which isn't really that great.
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He ll cost much more than 20m - and I think United's marketing/merchandising ppl would agree with that
 
Maybe we could work something into our new deal with Nike. I'm sure as hell they want to see him out of that Adidas shirt and would love the marketing potential of his shirt sales back at United.
 
dev1l said:
He ll cost much more than 20m - and I think United's marketing/merchandising ppl would agree with that
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I meant £20m a year in fee if we paid £80m, because of the 4 years we could get out of him that I've mentioned.
 
surf said:
Apparently he completed every one of his 50 passes in the champions league home game against City. 100% completion of such a large number of passes is a rare event for an attacking player in such a high level match. So he's obviously very good at it.
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Or that he attempted many safe passes. High pass completion stats aren't always particularly useful for an attacking player holding a more creative burdon.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.
 
Sewelly The Geordie said:
Or that he attempted many safe passes. High pass completion stats aren't always particularly useful for an attacking player holding a more creative burdon.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.
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Could be, we all know about Britton's ridiculous pass completion stats last season which basically only meant that he managed to pick a lot of safe passes to teammates who made themselves available very often.

Then again for a forward it's a great stat because they often try to set up a scoring opportunity for their partners and those particular passes are harder to pull off because defenders anticipate them. In midfield it's easier to knock the ball around because there usually isn't as much pressing as there's in the final third, unless you're playing Barcelona.
 
Shark22 said:
Yeah, so much love that he left us for our European rivals..
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Such rivals that we hadn't played them for years and years, and they haven't come close to winning the European cup for years?

It was the only choice of club for him to leave for. His boyhood team, getting us a world record fee, and after a few massively successful seasons.

He keeps in regular contact with Fergie, and all of his comments are always positive.

He's already got as much money as you need, so I don't think wages would actually be the stumbling block.
It's more the fee, and Madrid having zero desire to sell.

I'm certain Fergie would do anything to get him back. Would probably even consider shipping Rooney out to make way.
 
Sandikan said:
Such rivals that we hadn't played them for years and years, and they haven't come close to winning the European cup for years?

It was the only choice of club for him to leave for. His boyhood team, getting us a world record fee, and after a few massively successful seasons.

He keeps in regular contact with Fergie, and all of his comments are always positive.

He's already got as much money as you need, so I don't think wages would actually be the stumbling block.
It's more the fee, and Madrid having zero desire to sell.

I'm certain Fergie would do anything to get him back. Would probably even consider shipping Rooney out to make way.
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You say this as if it is set in stone and you were there. You accept that as fact, ok that is fine. So, the rest must be true when he was agreeing to Sepp Blatter and his "slave comments", then? Why would Ronaldo want to come back to a club that "treated him like a slave"?
 
Proud_Lyon said:
You say this as if it is set in stone and you were there. You accept that as fact, ok that is fine. So, the rest must be true when he was agreeing to Sepp Blatter and his "slave comments", then? Why would Ronaldo want to come back to a club that "treated him like a slave"?
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Because a 28 year old Ronaldo is a different man to 23 year old Ronaldo. You've got a hot shot player with the world at his feet, who thinks that football and its fans are the same world over.

He's grown up and i've absolutely no doubt that when Fergie was crapping on about cows, he was referring to both Ronaldo and Beckham as examples.

People change and it seems that Ronaldo has realized that football is not just about being the biggest fish in the biggest pond. For him it's about being the biggest most loved fish by both his team mates and fans. He's always been melodramatic type of person.
 
Amar__ said:
Whoscored.com says 87% pass accuracy.
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That's the game In Manchester, he had a 100% accuracy in Madrid. Aside from the fact that having a 100% pass accuracy in ONE game is such a ridiculously small sample to judge anything from (as a opposed to a 3 year average of his passing accuracy in Madrid which is somewhere around 78%), passing accuracy shows nothing as to how creative a player is with his passing.

I'm not even sure why this is an argument, Ronaldo is a great player, he is at least a 9/10 in most of his attacking qualities, but his creative passing is the weakest of his attacking qualities, especially when compared to his peers.​
 
Sarni said:
He wouldn't cost £80m at 28. He's reliant on pace and physical attributes which means he won't keep it going for much longer once he's past 30. You'd essentially be paying that money for certain 3-4 years of very good service which is fine but not worth £80m. Real had bought him when he was 24 and already better than anyone bar Messi - it was obvious they'd have to pay close to that figure. Over 8 years they could easily get out of him he'd cost them £10m plus wages per year which is a decent enough price for a player of his talent. Bought at 28 he'd be about £20m plus wages which isn't really that great.
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He's probably the fittest footballer around. The way he takes care of himself he can easily keep going past 30.
 
kps88 said:
He's probably the fittest footballer around. The way he takes care of himself he can easily keep going past 30.
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Agree with that. There's no set in stone age in terms of physical slow down.

And Ronaldo was never just about pace in the way a Walcott or Bale is.
 
kps88 said:
He's probably the fittest footballer around. The way he takes care of himself he can easily keep going past 30.
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He is but he won't deceive basics of biology. He's bound to find it tougher to keep his physical attributes once he's 32 or 33 much like any other player. Beckham has taken care of him and is supposed to be one of the players with very tight regime, yet he has been pretty much a shadow of his former self physically wise for the best part of his Los Angeles spell (and he moved there at 32).

While I agree that he might not go down the path of some players who just became a bit useless due to lack of pace and strength, I don't think he'll be the same player he is now at 33 for instance. Someone like Messi, who adds plenty of vision and awareness to his game will probably keep on playing at a very high level for longer.
 
Its Ronaldo we are talking about. IF he loses his pace and acceleration, you can bet your lives that he will not stop trying to improve till the day he retires.

Wouldnt be surprised if he reinvents himself at some point.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Its Ronaldo we are talking about. IF he loses his pace and acceleration, you can bet your lives that he will not stop trying to improve till the day he retires.

Wouldnt be surprised if he reinvents himself at some point.
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Indeed.

The only thing I worry about for him is sheer wear and tear. It doesn't matter if you're car is a Renault or an Audi, if you have your foot down in 5th gear all the time you're going to struggle to get 200,000 miles out of it.
 
The thing about Ronaldo which is really underrated is that apart from his pace, trickery and goals, his general all round play is actually top notch. Like he traps the balls in the tightest of spaces superbly and is incredibly efficient in finding his teammates even when it's quite crowded in the final third. His footballing brain is actually quite alike a Scholes albeit without the passing range and obviously that he plays further forward.
 
Eugenius said:
The thing about Ronaldo which is really underrated is that apart from his pace, trickery and goals, his general all round play is actually top notch. Like he traps the balls in the tightest of spaces superbly and is incredibly efficient in finding his teammates even when it's quite crowded in the final third. His footballing brain is actually quite alike a Scholes albeit without the passing range and obviously that he plays further forward.
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If you can read french, then this is a decent article about Ronaldo and Messi and who runs the most during a match. However, the bolded part I have difficulty in believing.

Cristiano Ronaldo joue très peu vers Benzema et Higuain (19 passes en cinq matches pour les deux !) ou encore Di Maria (16). Le Portugais préfère interagir avec son arrière gauche bien sûr (31 passes au total, quel qu’il soit) ou encore Essien (21 en trois matches) et Xabi Alonso (20).
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Cristiano Ronaldo plays very little towards Benzema and Higuain (19 passes in 5 matches for the two !) or even Di Maria (16). The Portuguese prefers to interact with his let-back of course (31 passes in total, whoever it is) or even Essien (21 in 3 matches) and Xabi Alonso (20).
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If only he had passed the ball more often to Higuain and Benzema, they might have scored a few more goals and thus given Real Madrid a few more points on the table.
 
One of the most interesting aspects of that article is that Shakhtar's Mkhitayran covers 50% more ground than Messi does, putting to bed the myth that Messi regularly grafts to win the ball back. And clearly it would be naive for him to waste his effort off the ball, away from the areas where he can hurt, when he's so devastating on it.
 
Gio said:
One of the most interesting aspects of that article is that Shakhtar's Mkhitayran covers 50% more ground than Messi does, putting to bed the myth that Messi regularly grafts to win the ball back. And clearly it would be naive for him to waste his effort off the ball, away from the areas where he can hurt, when he's so devastating on it.
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This odd obsession with tracking back by attacking players is purely a caf or English thing. It also seems to have sprung up in recent time, I don't remember people crying that original Ronaldo or Figo or Rivaldo did not track back.
 
Gio said:
One of the most interesting aspects of that article is that Shakhtar's Mkhitayran covers 50% more ground than Messi does, putting to bed the myth that Messi regularly grafts to win the ball back. And clearly it would be naive for him to waste his effort off the ball, away from the areas where he can hurt, when he's so devastating on it.
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It could also mean that a player like Messi could go beyond 40 years of age.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Its Ronaldo we are talking about. IF he loses his pace and acceleration, you can bet your lives that he will not stop trying to improve till the day he retires.

Wouldnt be surprised if he reinvents himself at some point.
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I have no doubt that he will but he'll be limited by that couple of things, which essentially means he won't be as good as he is without those limitations. Still good, possibly very good but not at the same level.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
It could also mean that a player like Messi could go beyond 40 years of age.
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It's not the thread for it but it will be fascinating to see how he develops his game when the searing acceleration wanes. In recent seasons he's shown the range of passing and some of the vision that could make him an effective deep-lying Pirlo-esque playmaker in a decade's time.
 
Gio said:
It's not the thread for it but it will be fascinating to see how he develops his game when the searing acceleration wanes. In recent seasons he's shown the range of passing and some of the vision that could make him an effective deep-lying Pirlo-esque playmaker in a decade's time.
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he seems to have the passion for it but I wonder after all the prizes, titles etc that he might walk away with still lots in the tank - especially if he can guide Argentina to a World Cup victory. Obviously nothing hints towards this but we've seen it with many legends in all sports.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
If you can read french, then this is a decent article about Ronaldo and Messi and who runs the most during a match. However, the bolded part I have difficulty in believing.





If only he had passed the ball more often to Higuain and Benzema, they might have scored a few more goals and thus given Real Madrid a few more points on the table.
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I should be a bit clear. There's no doubt that he's a bit selfish because he has ultra confidence in himself, but in terms of when Madrid are building an attack and the ball goes through Ronaldo fairly deep in the move, he can sometimes play intelligent 5 or 10 yard balls with precision that Scholes would make. As in his general awareness of what's happening around him is very good.
 
Eugenius said:
I should be a bit clear. There's no doubt that he's a bit selfish because he has ultra confidence in himself, but in terms of when Madrid are building an attack and the ball goes through Ronaldo fairly deep in the move, he can sometimes play intelligent 5 or 10 yard balls with precision that Scholes would make. As in his general awareness of what's happening around him is very good.
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There is no way anyone can compare his passing to Scholes. For Scholes, a 5 or 10 yard is routine, until Ronaldo can hit a ball 50-60 yards to a teammate on a regular basis as Scholes used to then, it will be ridiculous to compare him to Scholes.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
There is no way anyone can compare his passing to Scholes. For Scholes, a 5 or 10 yard is routine, until Ronaldo can hit a ball 50-60 yards to a teammate on a regular basis as Scholes used to then, it will be ridiculous to compare him to Scholes.
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I wasn't saying that Ronaldo could do what Scholes does, or what Alonso does etc. I was just making the point, which has been lost, that his all round game is very good aside from pace, dribbling and goals. He has enough awareness and his passing is good enough in tight areas so that he could be effective in a deeper role when his pace goes. I'm not saying he's going to drop back in CM and start spraying balls around. Yes your points that he's a bit selfish and isn't doesn't have a big passing range are valid, but I think my points about his all round game are also valid.
 
Eugenius said:
I wasn't saying that Ronaldo could do what Scholes does, or what Alonso does etc. I was just making the point, which has been lost, that his all round game is very good aside from pace, dribbling and goals. He has enough awareness and his passing is good enough in tight areas so that he could be effective in a deeper role when his pace goes. I'm not saying he's going to drop back in CM and start spraying balls around. Yes your points that he's a bit selfish and isn't doesn't have a big passing range are valid, but I think my points about his all round game are also valid.
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There was only one aspect that I disagree with Eug, the rest was valid.
 
kps88 said:
He's probably the fittest footballer around. The way he takes care of himself he can easily keep going past 30.
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That's exactly what's Real's fitness coach said about him about six months ago.
 
Inspectah deck said:
That's the game In Manchester, he had a 100% accuracy in Madrid. Aside from the fact that having a 100% pass accuracy in ONE game is such a ridiculously small sample to judge anything from (as a opposed to a 3 year average of his passing accuracy in Madrid which is somewhere around 78%), passing accuracy shows nothing as to how creative a player is with his passing.

I'm not even sure why this is an argument, Ronaldo is a great player, he is at least a 9/10 in most of his attacking qualities, but his creative passing the weakest of his weakest attacking qualities, especially when compared to his peers.​
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Indeed. A better stat for this is 'Key Passes' and as can be seen in that particular game, of Cristiano's 50 passes only 2 led to an opportunity for a team mate whilst he took 10 (!!) shots by himself. Compare with Higuaín who had 6 KP out of 26 with an 88% accuracy and only 2 shots himself all game. The impressive Di María had 10 (!!) KP and 2 assists (not incl. in KP) out of 61 total passes at 87% and 4 shots himself. It's quite clear to see what the hierarchy and priorities of these three players in that game were...
 
Skorenzy said:
Indeed. A better stat for this is 'Key Passes' and as can be seen in that particular game, of Cristiano's 50 passes only 2 led to an opportunity for a team mate whilst he took 10 (!!) shots by himself. Compare with Higuaín who had 6 KP out of 26 with an 88% accuracy and only 2 shots himself all game. The impressive Di María had 10 (!!) KP and 2 assists (not incl. in KP) out of 61 total passes at 87% and 4 shots himself. It's quite clear to see what the hierarchy and priorities of these three players in that game were...
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What you are trying to imply that players like Higuain and DiMaria are there to help the team by either scoring, recycling the ball, assisting or providing key passes, whereas Ronaldo is very much try to win the game himself. I think that if Ronaldo actually changed his game, and decided to pass to those who were in better scoring positions, I am pretty sure that they would have been within 1-2 points of Barcelona and not 16 points. It gives me the impression that he doesn't trust the other attacking players, and in doing so, he takes 10 shots and nothing goes in.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
What you are trying to imply that players like Higuain and DiMaria are there to help the team by either scoring, recycling the ball, assisting or providing key passes, whereas Ronaldo is very much try to win the game himself. I think that if Ronaldo actually changed his game, and decided to pass to those who were in better scoring positions, I am pretty sure that they would have been within 1-2 points of Barcelona and not 16 points. It gives me the impression that he doesn't trust the other attacking players, and in doing so, he takes 10 shots and nothing goes in.
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Not a chance. They'd be closer but Ronaldo most certainly didn't cost them 15 points with his decision making.
 
Sarni said:
Not a chance. They'd be closer but Ronaldo most certainly didn't cost them 15 points with his decision making.
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His decision making when in positions that he knows full well that he cannot score from leave a great deal to be desired. I have seen his teammates in the box, totally unmarked and he takes a shot that either goes wide, over the bar, or rebounds off a defender. If he could improve his key passing to other players then, he would be a much better player for it and Real Madrid too.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
What you are trying to imply that players like Higuain and DiMaria are there to help the team by either scoring, recycling the ball, assisting or providing key passes, whereas Ronaldo is very much try to win the game himself. I think that if Ronaldo actually changed his game, and decided to pass to those who were in better scoring positions, I am pretty sure that they would have been within 1-2 points of Barcelona and not 16 points. It gives me the impression that he doesn't trust the other attacking players, and in doing so, he takes 10 shots and nothing goes in.
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Taking a quick peek at Skorenzy's thread, he has a lot of assists for a player who doesn't pass.
 
I can't believe some of the shite in here, RM would be within one or two points of Barcelona if Ronaldo took less shots?

Give me strength!
 
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