Cristiano Ronaldo

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Theonas said:
Your argument is consistent and I can't really argue with any logic in what you say. Where I differ from you is a matter of how we see Ronaldo's game and I accept that at least one of us might be wrong here. By that I mean that what you said about Bale is what I see in the modern Ronaldo. It's not that he isn't Messi, it's that he is nothing flair wise. I mentioned the examples of early Ronaldo or Giggs and I don't mean that they played like Messi does now, I mean that there is one form of flair in the way they played. In the case of Messi it's dribbling, in the case of Giggs and early Ronaldo, it's direct running past players. In the case of Iniesta it's closer to Messi but with control that is out of this world. Zidane had the poise of a ballerina and so on. I don't enjoy modern *** day Ronaldo because apart from efficiency and extraordinary numbers, I am left with nothing exactly what you said about Bale except of course Ronaldo is miles better and may even be the best. Like I said, I understand that this is about perspective and I might be seeing or not seeing things, but I just wanted to clarify that I am not asking for Ronaldo to be Messi because I don't think there is one form of flair, I am just saying that he now does not display any form of flair whatsoever be it his early style, fat Ronaldo's explosiveness or Messi's balance. He is perfect at shooting, heading, sniffing out chances and finishing, scratch that, he isn't good, he is as good as anybody that has ever existed but those for me count as assets and not flair or magic or whatever you wanna call it.
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This I do agree with, to an extent. Ronaldo doesn't go past players for fun anymore unless he has to, it seems. Nor does he dribble much, unless he has to. He seems perfectly content with passing the ball backwards if there are two or three players blocking his path. A few years ago, he might very well have tried to dribble past them; in that respect I'm with you. However, at the same time he still does make those runs - just YT Ronaldo dribbles, Ronaldo runs, and you can see that he still does that. It's all there in his locker still. These days it seems like a choice rather than necessity. Also, think how many nasty tackles he were at the receiving end of whilst producing those runs and dribbles? It might very well be a way of protecting himself, although that's just me speculating.

All things considered, he is still more productive these days than when he did those dribbles and runs. Now he can make them when he chooses to, but other than that, he seems to be more selective.

Did you notice, btw, that towards the end of the match against Liverpool this season in the CL, he looked knackered? I've never seen that with him before. Thus, his reluctance to make run after run down the flank could be down to him simply not being able to at this stage... Again, me speculating.

Just to clarify, I don't agree that he is not exciting to watch; I find him more exciting than Messi, but I always favored players who play with pace. Messi dribbles past players at walking pace, when he desires. I too wish that Ronaldo would play around a bit more, but I can understand why he doesn't...

Good discussion btw, but I do love paragraphs ;)
 
Rossa said:
This I do agree with, to an extent. Ronaldo doesn't go past players for fun anymore unless he has to, it seems. Nor does he dribble much, unless he has to. He seems perfectly content with passing the ball backwards if there are two or three players blocking his path. A few years ago, he might very well have tried to dribble past them; in that respect I'm with you. However, at the same time he still does make those runs - just YT Ronaldo dribbles, Ronaldo runs, and you can see that he still does that. It's all there in his locker still. These days it seems like a choice rather than necessity. Also, think how many nasty tackles he were at the receiving end of whilst producing those runs and dribbles? It might very well be a way of protecting himself, although that's just me speculating.

All things considered, he is still more productive these days than when he did those dribbles and runs. Now he can make them when he chooses to, but other than that, he seems to be more selective.

Did you notice, btw, that towards the end of the match against Liverpool this season in the CL, he looked knackered? I've never seen that with him before. Thus, his reluctance to make run after run down the flank could be down to him simply not being able to at this stage... Again, me speculating.

Just to clarify, I don't agree that he is not exciting to watch; I find him more exciting than Messi, but I always favored players who play with pace. Messi dribbles past players at walking pace, when he desires. I too wish that Ronaldo would play around a bit more, but I can understand why he doesn't...

Good discussion btw, but I do love paragraphs ;)
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I am very much enjoying the discussion myself :). I can't say I have noticed that to be honest but your speculation makes sense and it doesn't sound too far fetched. I mentioned in a previous post that it looks to me like Ronaldo made a choice several years ago and gave up "playing around" like you call it for the sake of maximum efficiency. Maybe he simply can't because of body limitations. Or maybe he isn't as talented.

This makes perfect sense as pretty much nobody had high scores on consistency, flair and efficiency over a significant period of time and I mean in the history of the game. Messi is probably the only one who managed to do all the aforementioned three. I understand that you don't enjoy watching him but I don't think you would disagree that his game is made up of more than what is necessary (Borrowing your expression again).
 
A razorsharp laser penalty meticulously dispatched. Delighted with him.
 
2-0 Ronaldo

Goal number 28 for the season

Career goal number 455
 
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Theonas said:
I am very much enjoying the discussion myself :). I can't say I have noticed that to be honest but your speculation makes sense and it doesn't sound too far fetched. I mentioned in a previous post that it looks to me like Ronaldo made a choice several years ago and gave up "playing around" like you call it for the sake of maximum efficiency. Maybe he simply can't because of body limitations. Or maybe he isn't as talented.

This makes perfect sense as pretty much nobody had high scores on consistency, flair and efficiency over a significant period of time and I mean in the history of the game. Messi is probably the only one who managed to do all the aforementioned three. I understand that you don't enjoy watching him but I don't think you would disagree that his game is made up of more than what is necessary (Borrowing your expression again).
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Really??
 
Ronaldo is unbelievable. 29 goals in 21 games so far this season. Almost as good as Lambert.
 
:drool: :drool:

23rd hat trick, most ever in La liga and that's his 200th goal!
 
Tends to slow down after Xmas. He'll do well to score 50, which is the record.
 
23rd league goal of the season. 23rd hattrick. 200the league goal. Ruthless.

Records are meant to be broken. By Ronaldo.
 
Ronaldo has terminated Celta.
Pink Moon said:
Business as usual for Ronaldo. A goal. A penalty. A dive.
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A goal. Another goal. Goals galore. And a slew of filthy snake tongued nobodies on the internet to whom every one of his goals felt like his zeushemian semen exploding onto their critter faces, forever pinched in grapesour expressions...

BAM BAM BAM.
Bizniz as usual for Ronaldo.
 
Kevin said:
Ronaldo has terminated Celta.

A goal. Another goal. Goals galore. And a slew of filthy snake tongued nobodies on the internet to whom every one of his goals felt like his zeushemian semen exploding onto their critter faces, forever pinched in grapesour expressions...

BAM BAM BAM.
Bizniz as usual for Ronaldo.
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:lol: :lol:
 
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