Holy hoppin horseshit ! Sad ? Classless ?
How do you even conclude such gloom from players you just mentioned ?
Cristiano Ronaldo
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How do you even conclude such gloom from players you just mentioned ?
This will drag on all the way to next summer so might as well buckle in. I am fully in the camp that would love to see him back, he's a freak of nature as an athlete and I think he could have another 4-5 top years in him, his conditioning if off the charts.
As far as the money goes, the club will decide what is and isn't worth it, never understood why fans get worked up over what we pay when the reports clearly state we have enormous funds and I am pretty sure the bean counters will factor in all that Ronnie brings as regards marketing and merchandizing.
I do think it's next summer or never and if Ronaldo does return one of RvP or Falcao wont be here next season.
As far as the money goes, the club will decide what is and isn't worth it, never understood why fans get worked up over what we pay when the reports clearly state we have enormous funds and I am pretty sure the bean counters will factor in all that Ronnie brings as regards marketing and merchandizing.
I do think it's next summer or never and if Ronaldo does return one of RvP or Falcao wont be here next season.
I can't pretend to know the exact details either, but I'm pretty sure that people with more economics knowledge than me have already addressed how the whole shirt sales thing is a massive exaggeration by clubs.
Don't get me wrong, players like Cristiano Ronaldo clearly carry a commercial benefit that most other players can't match, and you're right that there's probably diminishing returns on the commercial income, but it's not going to end up anywhere close to being a free transfer. Firstly, the shirt sales made by Real Madrid are nonsense, they've put the same propaganda out there about James but the fact is clubs get paid fixed fees by kit manufacturers, the amount they sell won't go straight into the club's pocket (though it could help with future sponsorship deals). Then you've got to consider the fact that a lot of those shirts with Cristiano on the back would have been bought by Real Madrid fans anyway even if he wasn't there.
Plus there's the fact he's paid handsomely and potentially retains his image rights so that kinda takes away from his earning potential commercially.
Basically, buying Cristiano Ronaldo would bring commercial benefits but it wouldn't go anywhere close to covering his transfer fee. Obviously though that doesn't mean he isn't worth paying mega bucks for.
Yeah, I referenced that last page. If I'm not mistaken, the rules state that so long as he has been with us for three continuous years between 16 and 21 I think he will count as homegrown.
For the record, Pogba will also count as homegrown when we decide to buy him back. And Cleverley.
I don't see how the ££££ aspect of this makes much sense but as I don't really care about that and presume we won't be 'doing a Leeds' I go with get him back - has to be Jan or this summer though.
van Persie leaves and/or no permanent signing of Falcao for balance, I guess.
But, I don't think Utd will do it, & don't really believe CR will return to England either. So all much ado about very little really.
van Persie leaves and/or no permanent signing of Falcao for balance, I guess.
But, I don't think Utd will do it, & don't really believe CR will return to England either. So all much ado about very little really.
I didn't mean it like that - quite the opposite. I'm really, really excited by our summer transfers. I'm over the moon with them all!
What I meant was that an amazing transfer window has just closed, and within weeks we're paying more attention to a Real Madrid player than to our own. That's what I meant as 'classless'. Maybe 'spoilt' would've been a better word.
Honestly, right now, Blind, Herrera and Rojo excite me more than Ronaldo - because they're Manchester United players, and further more, we actually need them.
The thought of giving Di Maria the number 7 shirt and then snatching back off him for 'CR7' makes me a little uneasy.
I dunno, I just think it's weird to be paying so much attention to Real Madrid player when we've got so many exciting new players at our own club.
With all these rumours it's hardly odd for some excitement to be shown.. It's not 'a Real Madrid player', it's OUR Real Madrid player. Discussing his return is hardly disrespecting the new signings.. Happiness and hope aren't zero-sum systems!
Yes, him and Di Maria are close friends so I'd imagine he wouldn't mind giving it to Ronnie if it meant getting him here.
'Spoilt' ? After years of spending even less than FC Liverpool and watching legions of talents going to sugar daddy clubs ? C'mon, now.
'Uneasy' ? The number on the shirt suddenly became a problem ? Are you kiddin me...
I would let chop off my own dick to finally have some of that famous Fergie's headache again with so much class and choice on one position but you're gonna sit here and tell me how uneasy situation with numbers on the shirts is after Di Maria and Ronaldo willing to continue their cooperation in Manchester United ? Holy hoppin horse shit for the second time !
We should be paying even more attention to Real Madrid just like they gave the same attention to our stars and acquire their absolute best without worrying about smallest thing. They have the world class winning mentality so why the hell not. Not only that we should demand from authorities in the club to do absolutely everything to continuously aim for players that are matching Champions League winning team standards and not even one level below that.
I mean seriously, it's nothing bad or classless in demanding from the club epic actions especially of summer full of brave statements from CEO and manager himself. We'll be fine and I'm sure club like United have the power to also deal with numbers on the shirts.
I honestly don't understand why people are debating this, if there's a chance we can sign the best player in the world next summer, why wouldn't anyone want to sign him? 
'Spoilt' ? After years of spending even less than FC Liverpool and watching legions of talents going to sugar daddy clubs ? C'mon, now.
'Uneasy' ? The number on the shirt suddenly became a problem ? Are you kiddin me...
I would let chop off my own dick to finally have some of that famous Fergie's headache again with so much class and choice on one position but you're gonna sit here and tell me how uneasy situation with numbers on the shirts is after Di Maria and Ronaldo willing to continue their cooperation in Manchester United ? Holy hoppin horse shit for the second time !
We should be paying even more attention to Real Madrid just like they gave the same attention to our stars and acquire their absolute best without worrying about smallest thing. They have the world class winning mentality so why the hell not. Not only that we should demand from authorities in the club to do absolutely everything to continuously aim for players that are matching Champions League winning team standards and not even one level below that.
I mean seriously, it's nothing bad or classless in demanding from the club epic actions especially of summer full of brave statements from CEO and manager himself. We'll be fine and I'm sure club like United have the power to also deal with numbers on the shirts.
I'm really a very vocal proponent of us adopting a seriously aggressive transfer strategy, if you look back at my posts over the summer you'll see that I've defended the amount we spent time and time again.
I'm someone who feels that we should be investing heavily in world class players for our first team. But you know, Ronaldo isn't the only World Class talent we could break the bank for... maybe we could actually aim higher than him...who knows?
That said, I stand by what I've written already on this topic, and I do think it's daft to be beginning a transfer muppet discussion IN SEPTEMBER a week after the transfer window closed. Especially when we've had such a phenomenally great window.
Ronaldo has done this to us before to leverage new deals, I really wouldn't discount that he's perhaps seeking assurances from Perez about future signings/how the first team is built, and just reminding Perez to not discount his opinion.
Think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Yes I agree, but some are practically wetting themselves judging from their posts. I find it all too cringeworthy.
I honestly don't understand why people are debating this, if there's a chance we can sign the best player in the world next summer, why wouldn't anyone want to sign him?
Exactly. Really don't understand all this "we should move on" bollocks, he's not a fecking ex girlfriend.
Did I say he can't come back? Ronaldo has been all about me, me and me ever since he went to Real. Back then, SAF managed to convince him to be some kind of a team player for us, but still make the whole team cater to one Cristiano Ronaldo. At Real, Ronaldo was obsessed with goals and surpassing one Lionel Messi. The team comes second to his personal glory. Whenever he didnt get on the scoresheet, he sulked. When teammates scored, he don't celebrate. If that's the attitude he is bringing back to us, then I would rather we do without. He is NOT a team player, never was.
It's more the issue if he leaves Madrid and we don't sign him, he'll end up at another big English club, you all know exactly which two I'm thinking of.
Don't see how signing a 30 year old Ronaldo would be any more short term than making a permanent deal next summer for 29 year old Falcao, or holding on to Van Persie. Ronaldo has a better fitness record and he is a far better player than either. Depends how much Ronaldo and van Gaal want it.
I'll definitely agree with you more than disagree because in the end when summer 2015 will hit we're gonna be pretty much on the same page demanding best for the sake of best and only that... and if we'll get better than Ronaldo then I'll shut up and you won't see me ranting here anymore because simply there will be no need for that.
He is no Di Maria when it comes to being a team player and a drama queen at times, but so what? He regularly has enough assists. His teammates also seem to like him. Good enough for me.
Scored for Real tonight, of course.
Edit: He also assisted Benzema.
Edit: He also assisted Benzema.
If we were to spend big on a 30-year-old Ronaldo, Real Madrid would try to replace him by spending big on someone like Reus.
That's who we should be going for.
In favour of a Ronaldo transfer - it would give a massive lift to the club, and would probably pay for itself within weeks. The sponsors would be left dribbling.
That's who we should be going for.
In favour of a Ronaldo transfer - it would give a massive lift to the club, and would probably pay for itself within weeks. The sponsors would be left dribbling.
From what we know of Ronaldo's desire to be the best and break all records, I would not be surprised to see him come back and go after Sir Bobby's record. I can't remember his exact figures but he's on more than 100 for us I think. At his 50+ a season rate, he may back himself to do it in 3 or 4 years. Of course he's unlikely to be putting up those numbers for ever, but I'd back him for 3 top seasons here.
Reus isn't going to score the goals Ronaldo has. If he goes they'll be looking for Bale to pick up the slack, amongst others.
As it is, he's likely to be irreplaceable on terms of goals.
Other than Messi no one else is going to hit 50-60 goals a season, but football isn't about one player scoring them all. Reus would create alot more goals than Ronaldo would, and he'd chip in with at least 20 goals himself, even more in that team who do slaughter most sides week in week out. He's much more of a team player, and less 'me, me, me'.
Reus would be too cheap for them, with his release clause and all. Not a Perez signing!
Reus assists: (League only)
11/12: 9
12/13: 9
13/14: 13
Ronaldo assists: (All competitions)
11/12: 15
12/13: 13
13/14: 15
I cannot find Reus assists for all competitions but I imagine they're not ''a lot'' better than Ronaldo.
Obviously it isn't, but the point I'm making is that when you have that kind of output from one player and it still doesn't guarantee you a title every year then you have an issue if and when you lose that.
Even if Reus is setting goals up, you're losing a player who can, and does score pretty much every game. Someone needs to put it in the net with nearly as much regularity.
Also, don't underestimate the value of a player like Ronaldo to other players goal scoring. He can create but he's also the man they're trying to stop giving others plenty of space to work in.
As it is its hard to see how losing Ronaldo isn't a step backwards to be honest.
On the other hand you have players like Young who feel all content at doing nothing each game, and who cares if he celebrates if his teammates score?
Also, it hasn't turned out too badly for Real with his me me me attitude, has it? Broken the Barca dream team hold on La Liga and won La Decima...
Anderson teasing on Instagram, posted a pic of himself and Ronnie.
Who gives a fuk about team players when he's the best player in the world?
He's the best player United have had in their whole history. Of course we'd take him back. Throw 80M at them.
I know Ronaldo will be 30 soon, but does anyone else think he has more then just a few more years left? I'm not sure if there's ever been a player as determined and professional, and he's likely to always keep himself in tip top shape. Of course there will be a natural regression but with him I think he can still go another 4-5 years without losing his incredible goalscoring stats and power. He'll still probably quite quick too. You can't really judge him based on age like everyone else because of his determination to always be the best.
I don't think he'll ever come back. He'll probably stay at Madrid for a few more years then head off to America or something like that.
It is, but what's the price the team have to pay to play him? He's 30, for a winger i'm not sure if he really can give another world class season as he has been giving for madrid in the last few years.
I'd rather take Bale tbf.
really?
Great player
I believe that when Ronaldo loses his pace for the wing, he will be moved centrally as a striker and will still be lethal. I view him more as a striker playing on the wing nowadays then as a winger when he was here and his game was more balanced. He's a goal scoring machine now.
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Not even top 3 IMHO
Its arguable for sure, if you look at his whole career. At his best maybe not quite as good as Best, though he's been at his best for a lot longer and it's not like he would be far away.
I would put both Best and Charlton ahead of Ronaldo.
Is he feck. He has 2 and a half seasons with us where he was world class, one legendary.
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